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Old October 23rd, 2012, 07:29 PM   #1061
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Its really a himalayan task to make the society turn towards us..You know I try to make people in my home n friends circle first..few r okay ..may be Im hit with 40% then comes the people of different taste who asks , Hey why do you need the past,,Is it going to earn bread to you? , how do we tame them? , how do we make them understand, that the present cutting edge guys had Dark ages , when we had golden age ? .
First of, do not try to change others with words, lead them by your example. When an atheist Kannadasan, ended up writing Arthamulla Indumatham, when a woman monger turned into Arunagirinathar, when a kicked barrister rose as Gandhi, we can make a small change in being better us.

To safeguard our mind, we need to know why we should look into the past. IT is like driving a car.. we have both windshields (FUTURE) and rearview mirror (PAST), Both have a role to play, but the real action is in the PRESENT.

Usually if you look at the prism of past with your strengths, you can improve yourself (and cause a ripple effect). If you look at them with your weakness glasses, it makes us deprived of our mental strengths..

Just to give you a quick example, Hanuman, didnt know of his past and his strengths, till Jambhavan enumerated it. On the other hand, Salya, a great King in his own right, frustrated at being made as Karna's charioteer and also still fuming at the trickery of Duryodhana, which made him switch loyalties, kept pushing Karna's weakness of the past, making him weaker mentally.

Now looking at past is not only for puranas, its also for more recent history like how Chanakya put a wall against Greek invaders. (It is estimated even if Alexander returned he would have faced stiff resistance). We can learn so many lessons.

The biggest threat is trying to convince others (I am guilty of a fairshare). It only wrecks relationships. If you have a specific area of interest, say metallurgy, you can learn a lot from ancient techniques. So with Vedic Maths or by investigating plants recommended in Siddha or Ayurvedha traditions. The scope is endless.

I was recently talking with a parent who said, I dont want to talk how gory these puranas are, because I dont know... I only understood that our ignorance, be it due to lack of intelligence or interest or ill-feelings is being fostered as a belief on the upcoming generations. Hence our improving understanding will be beneficial to our children and future.

Another reason to look into the past is, history repeats itself again and again. So the lessons can be invaluable. Just my humble insights.
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Old October 24th, 2012, 08:02 AM   #1062
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Agree thats more to it and its just a long way of getting things straight..
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Old October 25th, 2012, 08:00 AM   #1063
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Happy 1027th Birthday Wishes to Great King who Built the Magnificent Big Temple .The only Indian Emperor to have the Largest Navy ever,the only Indian Emperor to give so much for Arts,Innovation in Bronze ,the only emperor in the whole world to embark on the construction of most number of temples(of any religious monuments).His Coronation day (Sadhaya vizha ) has been celebrated all over Thanjavur on this great occasion ..

Lets take a bow and have pride in our hearts that his name will last forever and ever...
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Old October 25th, 2012, 07:10 PM   #1064
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Sach and Venky, instead of celebrating and following our ancestors and great visionaries, we enslaved ourselves to the flashy west. I have seen a lot of our people talking ill about their country and history. Shame on us for not to have carried forward the greatness of our ancestors.
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Old October 25th, 2012, 07:14 PM   #1065
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Another post glorifying of our distant past and dismissal of "West's" tremendous successes.
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Old October 25th, 2012, 07:20 PM   #1066
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Another post glorifying of our distant past and dismissal of "West's" tremendous successes.
Our past is worth gloryfying. And I didn't dismiss or question West's successes. History says that our successes were earlier than their's and it is unfortunate that we did out carry on those successes. We are still called a third world country - a real shame!!
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U did described West as 'flashy'..

Worth glorifying or not.. My point is, stop living in past glories and face today's realities..
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Old October 26th, 2012, 09:42 AM   #1068
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Agree

We could also inspire from the Glorious past what we had and learn something..thats personally my point ..and thats not really easy or anywhere near to it..
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Sach and Venky, instead of celebrating and following our ancestors and great visionaries, we enslaved ourselves to the flashy west. I have seen a lot of our people talking ill about their country and history. Shame on us for not to have carried forward the greatness of our ancestors.

What do we do, I always admire things around us, we cant stop people from getting westernized...we cant police them , but the ill-talking about the culture of country are just a bunch of buffons / idiots who doesnt have a clue about the flow of civilizations and what we had given to the world in the past...IGNORE THEM

Lets try to make few of our society around us , who are ready to listen and learn..
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Worth glorifying or not.. My point is, stop living in past glories and face today's realities..
Very true Murlee. But the attitude to past, we have will not only impact our present, but definitely our future.

You chronicled your own family's past sometime back. Somebody in our ancestors, decided to break the mold and move forward, setting you and me forward. The traditional attitude of our culture for the past several thousand years has been one of reverence (not day dreaming). Be it the way we honor Pitris or the way we refer to our ancestors.

If you really dive and read the British mischief, one of the biggest things they did was to take away our pride of our ancestry. They definitely played castes and magnified issues to showcase their point. Add AIT and other crap they added, to undercut our connection with the past.

(It is interesting to note, they also did some good things like bring some of the buried past back to limelight via archeology)

Again, the attitude is not sit on the past glory and keep day dreaming. Rather instill a sense of pride - to protect our historical monuments, to take lessons from the leadership of the past, to revive simple technologies in conjunction with current realities (take water conservation for example, there were so many simple techniques used, but one great thing we lost is respect for water as a resource. We abuse it in every possible way and expect to have the necessity as well..)

We dont have to go and have mani mandapams or statues for past rajas , but rather we can respect their creations - temples, their remnants. We can atleast keep current politics outside when we interpret their lives for instance.

One of the great things of the past is ORIGINAL THINKING. Be it Buddha or Shankara or Ramanuja, they respected their past, but added value with independant thinking. This will not happen if we look at past with contempt or with distorted prism.
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Old October 26th, 2012, 03:52 PM   #1071
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There are some good things also which we can learn from the West if we really do not want to look at our own past civilization.

But we seem to follow mainly the ills of the western society (Which of course is the most attractive to the general public) and their failed experiments / concepts / so called reforms.

I was really surprised to see the reverence the Public & the Govts attach to their respective countries' Histories in Europe. They spend such huge sums on their museums and publish the history widely.

Compared to that India has a much older & more colourful & eventful history. But we hardly respect or care for the same. Rather we have been taught to believe all our old beliefs / systems / History is shameful and barbarian.

I can vouch (as a person from an Agrarian background) that the Water Management that was followed traditionally in our country was far more superior than what we were taught to follow of late (and what we do now). Similarly the Fertilizers & Pesticides.

We have made our Mother Earth toxic and are going for imported food items.

Our Education system was far more superior to that of the West then but now we have come to such a low level.

We should rather learn from our past than looking to the west.

What is bothering me more is that anything Old (Indian Practices) is rubbished as uncivilized / impractical / barbaric just because we have been taught so. Can't we analyse and understand ourselves ?

We want VAZKKAI KALVI more than YETTUK KALVI.
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Old October 26th, 2012, 04:02 PM   #1072
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U did described West as 'flashy'..

Worth glorifying or not.. My point is, stop living in past glories and face today's realities..
Murlee, you got me wrong. I said that we terribly missed out in carrying on with our past glories. We had great leaders, teachers and history but missed out in carrying / following their teachings. If we had done so, we would be better off than what we are now. Obviously, reality is different and we now need to rebuild ourselves and our country.
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All,

I have this question for long time. Why was the Srvilliputhur gopuram chosen to be part of the Emblem of TN govt.

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I have this question for long time. Why was the Srvilliputhur gopuram chosen to be part of the Emblem of TN govt.

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Ahaa. DANKS DANKS DANKS (Enga Ooruppa)

When the SG wanted to have a separate emblem for TN, many landmarks / icons were considered.

At that time Congress was ruling and Mr. Kumarasami Raja (of Rajapalayam which is next to SVPR ) was the CM. Kamaraj (of Virudhu Nagar - Virudhupatti then) was also influential.

The Gopuram was built by erecting inclined scaffoldings from a place called Malli Pudhur (Sivakasi Road) which is almost 8-10 Kms from SVPR. Elephants, Huge Pulleys with Coconut Fibre Vadams (Thick Kayiru), Levers (Nembu Kols) & huge labor force were used it seems. Rhythmic Drum Beats were produced to make the job easier to lift the huge stones across the inclined plane.

A Physics scholar explained to us (recently) how a heavy substance can be made to seem like lesser weight and can be lifted easily. Like transporting through water where the buoyancy helps

Sound being used as an Engg Tool those times. Amazing but simple Technology.
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Ahaa. DANKS DANKS DANKS (Enga Ooruppa)

When the SG wanted to have a separate emblem for TN, many landmarks / icons were considered.

At that time Congress was ruling and Mr. Kumarasami Raja (of Rajapalayam which is next to SVPR ) was the CM. Kamaraj (of Virudhu Nagar - Virudhupatti then) was also influential.

The Gopuram was built by erecting inclined scaffoldings from a place called Malli Pudhur (Sivakasi Road) which is almost 8-10 Kms from SVPR. Elephants, Huge Pulleys with Coconut Fibre Vadams (Thick Kayiru), Levers (Nembu Kols) & huge labor force were used it seems. Rhythmic Drum Beats were produced to make the job easier to lift the huge stones across the inclined plane.

A Physics scholar explained to us (recently) how a heavy substance can be made to seem like lesser weight and can be lifted easily. Like transporting through water where the buoyancy helps

Sound being used as an Engg Tool those times. Amazing but simple Technology.
Kannan according to a book I am reading, he says, DMK made it mandatory for mother tamil song to be sung before government functions. Can you throw light on this? Also he says the government made it mandatory to sign in Tamizh.
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Discovery has opened new chapter in understanding maritime trade of Indian Ocean countries, say historians

A Tamil-Brahmi script inscribed on a potsherd, which was found at the Khor Rori area in Oman, has come to light now. The script reads “nantai kiran” and it can be dated to first century CE, that is, 1900 years before the present. The discovery in the ancient city of Sumhuram has opened a new chapter in understanding the maritime trade of the Indian Ocean countries, according to specialists in history.

It was by chance that the potsherd was sighted. Alexia Pavan, an Italian archaeologist, had displayed the potsherd during an international ceramic workshop on “The Indian Ocean Trade and the Archaeology of Technology at Pattanam in Kerala” held in September in Kochi. P.J. Cherian, Director, Kerala Council of Historical Research (KCHR), and Roberta Tomber of the British Museum, London, had jointly organised the workshop. Pottery from several Indian Ocean countries was on display during the workshop. K. Rajan, Professor, Department of History, Pondicherry University, D. Dayalan, Regional Director, Archaeological Survey of India, and V. Selvakumar, Head of the Department of Epigraphy and Archaeology, Tamil University, Thanjavur, spotted the potsherd displayed by Dr. Pavan.

The Italian Mission to Oman (IMTO) had found this potsherd during its second archaeological excavation in 2006 in the Khor Rori area. The Director of the excavation was Alessandra Avanzini and Dr. Pavan was part of the team. Since 1997, the Mission of University of Pisa, forming part of the IMTO, has been working in Oman in two sites: Sumhuram in Khor Rori and Salut in Nizwa.

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The potsherd was found in a residential area of Sumhuram city. Dr. Pavan said it was part of a lid made by reusing the shoulder of an amphora. Soot traces visible along the external ridge suggest the use of the lid for a cooking pot. The sherd was discovered in a layer mixed with a few pottery pieces and animal bones, “which [layer] corresponds to one of the most important constructional phase of the city, to be dated to the first century CE,” she said. So the sherd could be dated to first century CE or a little earlier. There was so much of Indian material, including beads, coins and pottery, discovered during the excavation that it was important to show the relationship between India and the southern coast of Oman, she added.

The script “nantai kiran,” signifying a personal name, has two components, Dr. Rajan said. The first part “[n] antai” is an honorific suffix to the name of an elderly person. For instance, “kulantai-campan,” “antai asutan,” “korrantai” and so on found in Tamil-Brahmi inscriptions could be cited. The second component “Kiran” also stands for a personal name. More than 20 poets of the Tamil Sangam age [circa third century BCE to third century CE] have “kiran” as part of their personal names. “Thus, the broken piece of the pot carries the personal name of an important trader who commanded a high regard in the trading community,” Dr. Rajan argued.

It was generally believed that India’s contact with the Mediterranean world began with the Roman trade and much of the studies were concentrated on the Red Sea ports such as Quseir al-Qadim and Berenike, both in Egypt. While the excavation at Quseir al-Qadim yielded potsherds with the Tamil-Brahmi texts reading “kanan,” “catan” and “panai ori,” the one found at Berenike was engraved with the Tamil-Brahmi script “korrapuman.” The latest discovery in Oman was significant as it opened a new avenue in understanding the impact of the Indian Ocean trade, particularly on the west coast of the peninsular India, Dr. Rajan said. The region was known for frankincense and there was a possibility that trade in horses could also have taken place in these ports. (Frankincense is an aromatic gum resin used for burning as incense).

“Excavations by the University of Pisa have confirmed Sumhuram’s link with the ancient frankincense route and its cultural links with the frankincense-based kingdoms in southern Arabia,” Dr. Rajan said.

In the context of the advanced scholarship available on Tamil-Brahmi, estimated Dr. Cherian, this epigraphic evidence from Khor Rori had a great significance. “To the best of my knowledge, Khor Rori is the first South Arabian site to yield epigraphic evidence of the early historic phase [that is, when written records began].” Earlier, in the Mediterranean maritime trade network, only Myos Hormos and Berenike (on the Red Sea coast of Egypt) and a few sites in Sri Lanka had produced Tamil-Brahmi inscriptions outside India.

The importance of Khor Rori rested on the fact that it was an important pre-Islamic port-city in the ancient Indian Ocean exchanges between the Mediterranean region and India, Dr. Cherian said. The port of Sumhuram could be dated to circa third century BCE to fourth century ACE. This site could be crucial in tracing the maritime history of the Red Sea, the South Arabian and the Mesopotamian coasts and their hinterlands which could have played a pivotal role in the long-distance maritime trade between Tamilakam and the Mediterranean between the first century BCE and the fourth century CE, he added.

“It is unfortunate that the geographical and the cultural significance of the South Arabian region and its links with ancient south India has not been properly studied for various reasons,” said Dr. Cherian, who recently did field studies in Oman including at Sumhuram (Khor Rori) and the nearby Al Baleed sites. The Euro-centric perspectives that became dominant after the Roman Empire seem to have erased more history than they probably produced anew. In the absence of textual evidence for the early historic period, he said, archaeological evidence and to some extent, anthropological sources such as myths were the available means to retrieve such lost histories.

Dr. Cherian added: “This artefact with a post-firing Tamil-Brahmi script is, therefore, a find with a dual significance both as material and textual evidence. The challenge now is to seek associated archaeological finds from elsewhere, especially peninsular India.”

Brisk trade activity

The substantial quantity — the largest-ever assemblage from any Indian site — of 3,384 torpedo jar fragments and 1,720 turquoise glazed pottery from Pattanam suggested the brisk trade activity between Tamilakam and the South Arabian regions. (The KCHR, in association with other agencies has been excavating the Pattanam site, near Ernakulam, from 2007. Archaeologists feel that Pattanam could be Muziris/Muciri, which was a flourishing port on the west coast during the Tamil Sangam age, which coincided with the classical period in the West). “The presence of frankincense crumbs in almost all trenches at Pattanam is yet another indication of the site’s connection with South Arabia, including Khor Rori and the Al Baleed region, famed as the ‘land of incense’,” Dr. Cherian said.
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At that time Congress was ruling and Mr. Kumarasami Raja (of Rajapalayam which is next to SVPR ) was the CM. Kamaraj (of Virudhu Nagar - Virudhupatti then) was also influential.
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There are some good things also which we can learn from the West if we really do not want to look at our own past civilization.

But we seem to follow mainly the ills of the western society (Which of course is the most attractive to the general public) and their failed experiments / concepts / so called reforms.

I was really surprised to see the reverence the Public & the Govts attach to their respective countries' Histories in Europe. They spend such huge sums on their museums and publish the history widely.

Compared to that India has a much older & more colourful & eventful history. But we hardly respect or care for the same. Rather we have been taught to believe all our old beliefs / systems / History is shameful and barbarian.

I can vouch (as a person from an Agrarian background) that the Water Management that was followed traditionally in our country was far more superior than what we were taught to follow of late (and what we do now). Similarly the Fertilizers & Pesticides.

We have made our Mother Earth toxic and are going for imported food items.

Our Education system was far more superior to that of the West then but now we have come to such a low level.

We should rather learn from our past than looking to the west.

What is bothering me more is that anything Old (Indian Practices) is rubbished as uncivilized / impractical / barbaric just because we have been taught so. Can't we analyse and understand ourselves ?

We want VAZKKAI KALVI more than YETTUK KALVI.
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I have this question for long time. Why was the Srvilliputhur gopuram chosen to be part of the Emblem of TN govt.

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This is the only Gopuram where there is no HINDU symbol. Inorder to avoid objections from the other religion people this was chosen to show that the govt is secular. ( On this there was correspondence from the then PM to state govt)
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