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Old August 27th, 2007, 02:20 AM   #6101
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Burj Dubai has absolutely an awful and silly design!
It's just like "How can we build the WTB, no matter it will look like!
Sorry for that! No comparison to CS!
You can't possibly be serious. Burj Dubai's design is amazing. It's original, graceful, and accentuates its height. CS is just a drillbit/candle.

"How can we build the WTB, no matter it will look like!"

Huh? This is one of the most complex skyscraper designs ever. They could've built something MUCH simpler, if they didn't care about the design and just wanted something tall.
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Old August 27th, 2007, 02:30 AM   #6102
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Well, devilsadvocate, if you knew anything about architecture you would realize the ingenuity of the design.

If you were to build a giant square 2400 feet up it would encounter massive wind loads not just because it has a 2400 foot lever arm but because of the huge amount of surface area facing the wind. So, instead of building a giant square they build a spiraling set-back. As you go higher the surface area decreases and the spiraling design redirects the wind around the building. It is possibly the best design they could have come up with to conquer the engineering problem of constructing a 1/2 mile tall building.
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Old August 27th, 2007, 03:04 AM   #6103
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Major problem with very tall buildings is wind pressure. It transfers gigantic loads to the base of the building, because the whole structure acts as a lever.
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Old August 27th, 2007, 03:19 AM   #6104
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update. i think its right
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Old August 27th, 2007, 03:36 AM   #6105
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7 more metres until it becomes the tallest freestanding structure in the World.
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Old August 27th, 2007, 03:44 AM   #6106
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no 282 m left to buld if it`s going to be 818 m tall
hmmm, well it's about 545.7m atm...leaving 272m left if it's going to be 818.
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Old August 27th, 2007, 03:45 AM   #6107
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Great updates. I've been away for a good few days and it's nice to see the cladding getting higher and higher.
How long until the lake is filled?
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Old August 27th, 2007, 03:48 AM   #6108
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btw, will the roof height of this be 586m or 768 m?
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Old August 27th, 2007, 03:50 AM   #6109
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It'll be around 640m, above that will just be spire maintenance stuff, communications, etc.
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Old August 27th, 2007, 03:53 AM   #6110
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just noticed the diagram says roof4 701m but there seems other similar set backs higher than 702m? its a bit confusing to work out the highest roof set back.
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Old August 27th, 2007, 03:55 AM   #6111
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oh and what is the highest level serviced by elevators? surely they go higher than 514m?

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Old August 27th, 2007, 05:22 AM   #6112
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the other buildings are the chicago spire and the moscow tower i think? more cladding please.
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You must not come here often X-entric. Those are the Moscow Tower and Chicago Spire, respectively.
thanks. Are these chicago spire and the moscow towers under construction?
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Old August 27th, 2007, 05:28 AM   #6113
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Burj Dubai has absolutely an awful and silly design!
It's just like "How can we build the WTB, no matter it will look like!
Sorry for that! No comparison to CS!
Haters will always be haters. We love the design, we love the building. Thats why we come here
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Old August 27th, 2007, 05:43 AM   #6114
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thanks. Are these chicago spire and the moscow towers under construction?
The chicago spire is under-construction and the moscow thing is basicly site-prep.
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Old August 27th, 2007, 07:59 AM   #6115
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oh and what is the highest level serviced by elevators? surely they go higher than 514m?
514m or lev140 will longest lift run. Lifts will go alot higher then this.
i think lev162 is main LMR which is 624m high.
deepseabdldgs- looks like roof no4 on tier 22 will be highest inhabitable floor which is 701m high. Ive seen this quoted on plans.
You will also be able to get access to tier27 by stairs which is 768m high.This will be highest balcony with small standing area. above this the spire can be access by internal ladder to very top.
So if you asked my what height is Burj Dubais roof, thats a hard one.
lev162(624m)-highest level accessed by lift.
lev174?(701m)-highest enclosed floor accessed by stair climb.
tier27(768m)-highest level to comfortably stand on outside balcony.
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Old August 27th, 2007, 08:03 AM   #6116
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514m or lev140 will longest lift run. Lifts will go alot higher then this.
i think lev162 is main LMR which is 624m high.
deepseabdldgs- looks like roof no4 on tier 22 will be highest inhabitable floor which is 701m high. Ive seen this quoted on plans.
You will also be able to get access to tier27 by stairs which is 768m high.This will be highest balcony with small standing area. above this the spire can be access by internal ladder to very top.
So if you asked my what height is Burj Dubais roof, thats a hard one.
lev162(624m)-highest level accessed by lift.
lev174?(701m)-highest enclosed floor accessed by stair climb.
tier27(768m)-highest level to comfortably stand on outside balcony.

Will it be possible to access and stand on that comfortable balcony at tier27??? Who will be the lucky guys to acces right there???
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Old August 27th, 2007, 10:20 AM   #6117
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that was just 2 years a go ! damn it is going fast !
The Empire State Building was completed in 16 months. From demolition to opening -- clearing, groundbreaking, cladding, furnishing. Everything.

Of course it sat mostly empty for the better part of twenty years so go fig'.

BD probably will too!
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Old August 27th, 2007, 10:26 AM   #6118
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I don't think so. I'm sure half the building was sold before ground was even broken, and I'd be surprised if there's anything left to buy today. Dubai is a booming city, to say the least.
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Old August 27th, 2007, 10:31 AM   #6119
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The Empire State Building was completed in 16 months. From demolition to opening -- clearing, groundbreaking, cladding, furnishing. Everything.

Of course it sat mostly empty for the better part of twenty years so go fig'.

BD probably will too!
The Empire State Building had a lower top floor hight than the Burj Dubai and a was composed of steel supported by a central concrete core so would have been quicker to construct.

It remained empty for ages because it was built in the middle of the Wall Street crash and the great depression.
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Old August 27th, 2007, 10:41 AM   #6120
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I don't think so. I'm sure half the building was sold before ground was even broken, and I'd be surprised if there's anything left to buy today. Dubai is a booming city, to say the least.
I agree with you, Burj Dubai was sold out long time ago and now many units are offered for resale with an appreciation between 30 to 70%.
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