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Old March 20th, 2017, 08:36 PM   #81
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lol no it has nothing to do with that

Seems like rich kids are just weak and not manly and proud enough to do such a task
When I was conscripted, I was overly excited to serve my country. I did all the mental and physical tests exceptionally, almost top performer. But to my huge disappointment, my allergies were enough for me to not be accepted

If there's a war, I'd stay and fight the aggressor untill I die, while these rich kids you got there would probably be on the first plane/boat out of the Philippines in case someone attacks
Oh no, this is not true. You cannot apply that to everyone. When I was in high school five years ago, our school was under the Air Force cadet program. I have friends and batchmates who are very well off, some of them are scions of very affluent families (Manila's 400). Some of them were promoted to the top positions of the program, not because of their social status but of merit. After high school, he had an offer from Columbia University in New York but turned it down. I believe he's now in PMA.
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Old March 20th, 2017, 10:56 PM   #82
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It really depends on the individual. When we had our summer camp training at Fort Magsaysay, all Metromanila universities were represented. It was an equal opportunity program for all schools with Advance ROTC cadets encompassing almost a brigade.
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Old March 21st, 2017, 01:15 AM   #83
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Are you familiar with UK Prime Minister Chamberlain? He tried being friendly to Germany and even gave the Germans their colonies back just to satisfy them. However, after just two years making a deal with them Germany invaded Poland. The reason why I bring this up is because it's familiar to what's happening today. How are we even sure that despite the current administration being friendly towards China that they won't try to make one step further?
It's fallacious to compare Hitler, as he was a man simply suffering from autism, slight meth-abuse and megalomania, wanting to go beyond re-conquering German settlement to crushing communism in Russia, for then to conquer the entire world.

Obviously he was a massive dumb*ss tactically, and neither had any pragmatic ambitions
China ain't exactly conquering land to take over the world(they rather do it economically), so it's not the same thing
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Old March 21st, 2017, 02:31 AM   #84
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Ay naku...you seem to have a naive and superficial knowledge of world events. Understand the backstory. They're colonialists, imperialists fighting or deciding over sovereign territory of a third nation with real people in it. Part of Poland (Prussia) and Czech (Sudetenland) had been settled by and full of German descent people. Even Kaiser Wilhelm was Prussian (now part of Poland). UK didn't have much to go by, Poland and Czechoslovakia didn't have any input because the UK was trying to speak for them. (Sounds like the US when it comes to the SCS). Good or bad, well that's history.

The SCS is full of water and fish, and UNCLOS stated it was a communal fishing ground of the claimants. It's NOT our territory NEITHER China's but within PH EEZ. That's why the Code of Conduct in SCS should not have been scuttled by Penoy. The only thing PH can do is mend fences, one on one diplomacy and the US doesn't like that because it shuts them out. You might want to read carefully.
Yes they may be different with the background of the events but there are still similarities between the two.

Since Scarborough Shoal is not a legitimate territory under the UNCLOS, why would China like to build a 'monitoring station' there? It's the same modus operandi they've been doing for years. They start building small structures until eventually they have an island complete with all the necessary facilities.

And that's even after Digong trying to mend fences with China.
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Old March 21st, 2017, 04:46 AM   #85
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Dito sa forum na to, daming gusto gyera...
Di lng nila alam how hard kung mgevacuate ng buonng pamilya at kagamitan ng bahay kng gyera...
Naexperience ko yan am 10-11 yrs old that time... Am from LDN...
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walang maygusto ng gera, china is just occupying our supoose to be our property. They know they have a large force than the Philippines and a rich country. the Philippines thinks they are being bullied. what do you think you should do when somebody enter your property without your permission. You have to fight them or call the police . or play with the chinese just in case they leave the place. Duterte is playing with the chinese but the chinese is very clever they were using the Philippines. so its a win, win, win for the Chinese. They got scarborough shoal, they got philippines investment, they got bernham rise and they got the Philippines by the balls.. so its a win, win, win, win by the Chinese. walang palag ang pilipinas. hawak ng china ang bayag ng pilipinas. Inasar pa ni duterte ang amerika wala na ang pilipinas hahalik ka sa puwit ng instik.
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Old March 21st, 2017, 05:04 AM   #86
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Dito sa forum na to, daming gusto gyera...
Di lng nila alam how hard kung mgevacuate ng buonng pamilya at kagamitan ng bahay kng gyera...
Naexperience ko yan am 10-11 yrs old that time... Am from LDN...
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walang maygusto ng gera, china is just occupying our supoose to be our property. They know they have a large force than the Philippines and a rich country. the Philippines thinks they are being bullied. what do you think you should do when somebody enter your property without your permission. You have to fight them or call the americans who has a bigger force but duterte is quarrelling the americans. or play with the chinese just in case they leave the place. the chines is very clever , they are using the philippines its a win, win, win for the chinese the chinese got scarborough shoal, they got philippines investment, they got bernham rise. philippines cannot do anything at all. china holds the philippines by the b**ls. The chinese is still very nice because they can withdrew their humanitarian ODA and grant assistance to the Philippines and their incoming investment to the Philippines so it also a big win for the Philippines because of duterte and not of those stupid politician in the congress. the congress who does not know how to make the Philippines rich.

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Kailan pa naging teritoryo ang EEZ? at yang Scarborough na yan, anong pakialam naming taga Mindanao at Visayas jan. Makikinabang ba kami jan? yung Malampaya oh, halos lahat sa Luzon na punta. teritoryo daw pero halos lahat ng kita ng yaman ng Pilipinas sa luzon na punta.
E di sumama ka sa kay Misuari, magtayu kayo ng republika nyo.
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Yes they may be different with the background of the events but there are still similarities between the two.

Since Scarborough Shoal is not a legitimate territory under the UNCLOS, why would China like to build a 'monitoring station' there? It's the same modus operandi they've been doing for years. They start building small structures until eventually they have an island complete with all the necessary facilities.

And that's even after Digong trying to mend fences with China.
Ay naku....totally different. The closest event I can think of is the War in the Malvinas/Falklands. Here, PH did not lose a territory but lost the war of Scarborough Shoal due to Penoy's and his self-serving foreign secretary's incompetence. China called their bluff. Call it an occupation of an uninhabited territory. It's theirs already so is Mischief Reef. US, Japan, will not come to our aid because again it is not our sovereign territory. If PH had wanted it to make it our territory, they should have occupied it years before.

That monitoring station (no doubt military) is against US intrusions in South China Sea. The only way you can dislodge them from there is for US to bomb the hell out of it. Or if China blocks SCS from international shipping, then you'll get the war you've been hoping for. The only thing you can hope for from Digong is to ensure PH is spared from any military confrontations by all parties. His making friends with Russia was a tactical move.

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walang maygusto ng gera, china is just occupying our supoose to be our property. They know they have a large force than the Philippines and a rich country. the Philippines thinks they are being bullied. what do you think you should do when somebody enter your property without your permission.
Not even suppose. It is NOT our property. It is in our EEZ meaning we have first dibs in the resources undersea. UNCLOS did not give us sovereign rights over those rocks and islets.
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E di sumama ka sa kay Misuari, magtayu kayo ng republika nyo.
wag kang magalala, kong d matutuloy yang federalism asahan mong mangangamoy ang usapang pagtiwalag ng Mindanao.
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Ay naku....totally different. The closest event I can think of is the War in the Malvinas/Falklands. Here, PH did not lose a territory but lost the war of Scarborough Shoal due to Penoy's and his self-serving foreign secretary's incompetence. China called their bluff. Call it an occupation of an uninhabited territory. It's theirs already so is Mischief Reef. US, Japan, will not come to our aid because again it is not our sovereign territory. If PH had wanted it to make it our territory, they should have occupied it years before.

That monitoring station (no doubt military) is against US intrusions in South China Sea. The only way you can dislodge them from there is for US to bomb the hell out of it. Or if China blocks SCS from international shipping, then you'll get the war you've been hoping for. The only thing you can hope for from Digong is to ensure PH is spared from any military confrontations by all parties. His making friends with Russia was a tactical move.



Not even suppose. It is NOT our property. It is in our EEZ meaning we have first dibs in the resources undersea. UNCLOS did not give us sovereign rights over those rocks and islets.
I can't believe I'm hearing this, even from a fellow Filipino. Are you seriously saying that Scarborough Shoal is a lost cause already? IMO if Digong really has balls, he should fulfill his campaign promise of not letting the Chinese have Scarborough Shoal.

Do you seriously think that any of us here in SSC are hoping for a war with the Chinese? I'm merely stating that one can be never too sure about the given situation and if I were logical about it, we wouldn't last a week with the capabilities of the Chinese unless our allies will give us a helping hand

I can only pray that by some miracle, Digong's moves towards China will not make more artificial islands near the PH.
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wag kang magalala, kong d matutuloy yang federalism asahan mong mangangamoy ang usapang pagtiwalag ng Mindanao.
You believe that?
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Not even suppose. It is NOT our property. It is in our EEZ meaning we have first dibs in the resources undersea. UNCLOS did not give us sovereign rights over those rocks and islets.
At the other side of the fence, RA 9522 aka Baseline Law of the Philippines Act of 2009 states that Panatag is part of PHL territory:

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Section 2. The baseline in the following areas over which the Philippines likewise exercises sovereignty and jurisdiction shall be determined as "Regime of Islands" under the Republic of the Philippines consistent with Article 121 of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS):

a) The Kalayaan Island Group as constituted under Presidential Decree No. 1596; and

b) Bajo de Masinloc, also known as Scarborough Shoal.
So, how do we reconcile this with the PCA award? @_@
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what do you think on why federalism is being push and highly supported by Mindanaoan?
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wag kang magalala, kong d matutuloy yang federalism asahan mong mangangamoy ang usapang pagtiwalag ng Mindanao.
Asa ka pa, hindi mangyayari yan boss.

Ngayon pa na may presidente na ang bansa na galing Mindanao...

Isa pa kung pakiramdam mo neglected ang Mindanao nagkakamalika, marami pa ring lugar sa Luzon na mas mahirap di hamak sa Mindanao at may insurgency problems pa rin.

To name some... Provinces of Kalinga, Apayao, Abra, Aurora...
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Haha ewan ko ba boss at ganun pa rin ang sentiment.
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what do you think on why federalism is being push and highly supported by Mindanaoan?
Mahirap yang iniisip mo 'dre. Dalawang probinsiya lang ng Mindanao ang kumikita ng labis sa gastusin nila. Malabo mabuhay ng sariling kita lalo na at kulang na kulang ang infrastructure ng isla ng Mindanao. Dapat matapos muna yung mga naka schedule na projects, then baka po pwede na.

Heto ang hint ng performance ng mga probinsiya noong 2014:
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Surplus		Group		 BIR Collections, 2014 	 IRA Total (2014) 	Surplus
Rank	Province		Region	 (in millions) 	 (in millions) 	(BIR Collections - IRA Total)
6	Davao del Sur	Mindanao	Region 11, Southern Mindanao	 9,579.65 	 7,057.74 	2,522
7	Misamis Oriental	Mindanao	Region 10, Northern Mindanao	 6,037.09 	 4,956.44 	1,081
14	Camiguin	Mindanao	Region 10, Northern Mindanao		 595.46 	-595
17	Dinagat Islands	Mindanao	Region 13, Caraga region		 861.49 	-861
18	South Cotabato	Mindanao	Region 12, Socsargen Region	 3,440.94 	 4,318.09 	-877
29	Davao del Norte	Mindanao	Region 11, Southern Mindanao	 2,305.83 	 3,666.89 	-1,361
30	Agusan del Norte	Mindanao	Region 13, Caraga region	 1,624.68 	 2,997.83 	-1,373
34	Surigao de Norte	Mindanao	Region 13, Caraga region	 781.17 	 2,343.20 	-1,562
37	Tawi-tawi	Mindanao	ARMM (Muslim Mindanao)	 222.20 	 1,848.09 	-1,626
40	Basilan	Mindanao	ARMM (Muslim Mindanao)	 159.62 	 2,086.82 	-1,927
44	Sarangani	Mindanao	Region 12, Socsargen Region		 2,051.17 	-2,051
48	Misamis Occidental	Mindanao	Region 10, Northern Mindanao	 807.18 	 2,989.87 	-2,183
50	Lanao del Norte	Mindanao	Region 10, Northern Mindanao	 1,472.91 	 3,756.54 	-2,284
52	Sultan Kudarat	Mindanao	Region 12, Socsargen Region	 852.26 	 3,154.43 	-2,302
54	Davao Oriental	Mindanao	Region 11, Southern Mindanao	 537.08 	 2,909.39 	-2,372
57	Sulu	Mindanao	ARMM (Muslim Mindanao)	 141.34 	 2,644.42 	-2,503
58	Surigao del Sur	Mindanao	Region 13, Caraga region	 685.40 	 3,240.38 	-2,555
59	Zamboanga Sibugay	Mindanao	Region 9, Zamboanga Peninsula Region		 2,578.43 	-2,578
61	Compostela Valley	Mindanao	Region 11, Southern Mindanao		 2,698.68 	-2,699
63	Maguindanao	Mindanao	ARMM (Muslim Mindanao)	 1,502.79 	 4,459.54 	-2,957
64	Zamboanga del Sur	Mindanao	Region 9, Zamboanga Peninsula Region	 3,305.10 	 6,284.36 	-2,979
66	Agusan del Sur	Mindanao	Region 13, Caraga region	 715.27 	 4,017.23 	-3,302
68	Zamboanga del Norte	Mindanao	Region 9, Zamboanga Peninsula Region	 1,043.98 	 4,861.73 	-3,818
71	North Cotabato	Mindanao	Region 12, Socsargen Region	 927.49 	 5,115.28 	-4,188
78	Bukidnon	Mindanao	Region 10, Northern Mindanao	 1,321.03 	 6,124.45 	-4,803
79	Lanao del Sur	Mindanao	ARMM (Muslim Mindanao)	 473.31 	 5,676.10 	-5,203
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So does China, mas lalong hindi kanila ang scarborough
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Mahirap yang iniisip mo 'dre. Dalawang probinsiya lang ng Mindanao ang kumikita ng labis sa gastusin nila. Malabo mabuhay ng sariling kita lalo na at kulang na kulang ang infrastructure ng isla ng Mindanao. Dapat matapos muna yung mga naka schedule na projects, then baka po pwede na.

Heto ang hint ng performance ng mga probinsiya noong 2014:
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Surplus		Group		 BIR Collections, 2014 	 IRA Total (2014) 	Surplus
Rank	Province		Region	 (in millions) 	 (in millions) 	(BIR Collections - IRA Total)
6	Davao del Sur	Mindanao	Region 11, Southern Mindanao	 9,579.65 	 7,057.74 	2,522
7	Misamis Oriental	Mindanao	Region 10, Northern Mindanao	 6,037.09 	 4,956.44 	1,081
14	Camiguin	Mindanao	Region 10, Northern Mindanao		 595.46 	-595
17	Dinagat Islands	Mindanao	Region 13, Caraga region		 861.49 	-861
18	South Cotabato	Mindanao	Region 12, Socsargen Region	 3,440.94 	 4,318.09 	-877
29	Davao del Norte	Mindanao	Region 11, Southern Mindanao	 2,305.83 	 3,666.89 	-1,361
30	Agusan del Norte	Mindanao	Region 13, Caraga region	 1,624.68 	 2,997.83 	-1,373
34	Surigao de Norte	Mindanao	Region 13, Caraga region	 781.17 	 2,343.20 	-1,562
37	Tawi-tawi	Mindanao	ARMM (Muslim Mindanao)	 222.20 	 1,848.09 	-1,626
40	Basilan	Mindanao	ARMM (Muslim Mindanao)	 159.62 	 2,086.82 	-1,927
44	Sarangani	Mindanao	Region 12, Socsargen Region		 2,051.17 	-2,051
48	Misamis Occidental	Mindanao	Region 10, Northern Mindanao	 807.18 	 2,989.87 	-2,183
50	Lanao del Norte	Mindanao	Region 10, Northern Mindanao	 1,472.91 	 3,756.54 	-2,284
52	Sultan Kudarat	Mindanao	Region 12, Socsargen Region	 852.26 	 3,154.43 	-2,302
54	Davao Oriental	Mindanao	Region 11, Southern Mindanao	 537.08 	 2,909.39 	-2,372
57	Sulu	Mindanao	ARMM (Muslim Mindanao)	 141.34 	 2,644.42 	-2,503
58	Surigao del Sur	Mindanao	Region 13, Caraga region	 685.40 	 3,240.38 	-2,555
59	Zamboanga Sibugay	Mindanao	Region 9, Zamboanga Peninsula Region		 2,578.43 	-2,578
61	Compostela Valley	Mindanao	Region 11, Southern Mindanao		 2,698.68 	-2,699
63	Maguindanao	Mindanao	ARMM (Muslim Mindanao)	 1,502.79 	 4,459.54 	-2,957
64	Zamboanga del Sur	Mindanao	Region 9, Zamboanga Peninsula Region	 3,305.10 	 6,284.36 	-2,979
66	Agusan del Sur	Mindanao	Region 13, Caraga region	 715.27 	 4,017.23 	-3,302
68	Zamboanga del Norte	Mindanao	Region 9, Zamboanga Peninsula Region	 1,043.98 	 4,861.73 	-3,818
71	North Cotabato	Mindanao	Region 12, Socsargen Region	 927.49 	 5,115.28 	-4,188
78	Bukidnon	Mindanao	Region 10, Northern Mindanao	 1,321.03 	 6,124.45 	-4,803
79	Lanao del Sur	Mindanao	ARMM (Muslim Mindanao)	 473.31 	 5,676.10 	-5,203
illogical conclusion mo sir... so if such is true never na mag kakaroon ng right timing for federalism??????????

So yung Malaysia at United State at Germany.... nag federalism lang nung mayaman na lahat ng state nila?????? Kalokohan yan....

kaya diyan papasok ang abilidad at leadership ng state elected leaders... they can dig a hole out for themselves or receive federal support.....
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illogical conclusion mo sir... so if such is true never na mag kakaroon ng right timing for federalism??????????

So yung Malaysia at United State at Germany.... nag federalism lang nung mayaman na lahat ng state nila?????? Kalokohan yan....

kaya diyan papasok ang abilidad at leadership ng state elected leaders... they can dig a hole out for themselves or receive federal support.....
Well, numbers don't lie.
Hindi ko naman sinabi na hindi magawa. Basahin mo ulit ang post ko.
Logical po yun lahat, at rational pa!

Ang tanong diyan, kaya bang maghirap ng mga taga roon, hanggang maayos nila ang bayan nila? Baka po maulit na naman yung raids na ginagawa nila sa Kabisayaan at Southern Luzon noon!
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