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Old July 1st, 2005, 03:02 PM   #1
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Liverpool to London by train in less than an hour!

what do ya think????

Supertrain???
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Old July 1st, 2005, 03:15 PM   #2
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Talking Stuff the trains! Let's build this

If this ever happens then we can stop worrying about the shite train links into Liverpool

Fast train to Lime Street Jul 1 2005


By Neil Hodgson, Liverpool Echo


A 300MPH super-train connecting Liverpool to London in only 58 minutes is being planned.

The Maglev train - which uses magnetic power to support carriages on a guide track and propel them up to speeds of 311mph - would connect London with Glasgow, via Birmingham, Liverpool, Manchester, Newcastle and Edinburgh, over a 500 mile route.

The UK Ultraspeed consortium behind bringing the train to Britain says Liverpool could be the first link to be established.

Business leaders including the CBI (Confederation of British Industry) and North West Development Agency believe the £16bn scheme could boost the region's economy and loosen the south east's strangle-hold on the nation's wealth.

The Maglev - short for magnetic levitation - sits on a magnetic cushion while surfing a rolling wave of electricity and could be in place by the end of the decade.

Its speeds would mean travelling from Liverpool to Newcastle would take 60 minutes, London to Birmingham 30 minutes and 100 minutes from London to Newcastle.

Alan James, project leader for UK Ultraspeed, told the ECHO: "Eco-nomic development is at the core of what we are doing.

"By linking Liverpool with Manchester, Leeds and Newcastle, to Glasgow by a high-speed system it would create a 'greater northern' economic powerhouse to rival the south east.

"It is all about access. This will balance the country."

A study by Newcastle university estimated that the north west region has only 32% of London's economic potential because of a lack of transport and access for employers and potential employers.

With the Maglev system that would improve to 78%, compared with London.

"The challenge is not technology or funding," Mr James said..

"The public finance initiative framework is in place for funding projects such as this - the challenge is political will and planning permission."
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Old July 1st, 2005, 03:18 PM   #3
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cant see it myself but part of the fun of this site is the amount of wishful thinking it allows for.

Reason it won't happen is that the gov't would not want to dilute london's power and this would be an aid to doing this!
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Old July 1st, 2005, 05:12 PM   #4
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Sad but true, Bustcapl.
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Old July 1st, 2005, 05:43 PM   #5
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Its a nice idea, but theres obvious more then a bit of spinning going on by the Maglev consortium. The idea that Liverpool would get the first line being one (only as a spur from Manchester) and that fares would be £25 (not under the British model of low subsidy levels they wouldn't!)

I wonder where they'd put the station though?
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Old July 1st, 2005, 05:45 PM   #6
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I wonder where they'd put the station?
Manchester.
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Old July 1st, 2005, 05:50 PM   #7
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Manchester.
I can just see the latest "northern way" document now; "Manchester, as regional capi....blah de blah de blah"
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Old July 1st, 2005, 06:05 PM   #8
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yes this story reminds me about another fanciful echo story about airtrain wanting to base 15+ 757's in LPL but LPL could not handle them so they were going to Manchester airport.

Needless to say that has died a death

Journalism can be so poor!
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Old July 1st, 2005, 06:15 PM   #9
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Airtrain was pie in the sky from the word go. That is why Peel wouldn't touch it with a shitty stick.
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Old July 1st, 2005, 06:21 PM   #10
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Its a great idea....but unfourtunately, great schemes like this always get the lesser spotted nimby's foaming at the mouth, because some hedgerow or tree might have to be cut down...the shock...the horror....

Schemes like this always come too close to the back gardens of middle England's chinless wonders who want to keep living in their chocolate box corner of the country.

If this country wasnt so geographically small, schemes like this would have been built years ago....its why France was able to build its high speed network, they could simply route it through unpopulated areas between citys....we just dont have that option
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Old July 1st, 2005, 08:29 PM   #11
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Sounds like a good idea, but how would it get into the centre of citys, unless it's built above existing motorways, main roads. More likeley say outskirts of kirkby to outskirts of Manchester along A580, connecting onto railway line station.
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Old July 1st, 2005, 08:34 PM   #12
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Sounds like a good idea, but how would it get into the centre of citys, unless it's built above existing motorways, main roads. More likeley say outskirts of kirkby to outskirts of Manchester along A580, connecting onto railway line station.
Couldn't they go underground to stop in city centres, I guess that'd put cost right up though?
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Old July 1st, 2005, 08:54 PM   #13
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Couldn't they go underground to stop in city centres, I guess that'd put cost right up though?
At 300mph that would be one ear popping experience

Seriously though, yes thats possible, and as you say would be very expensive, they would probably slow down through city centre/built up areas, or into tunnels. I know the CTRL is underground from the centre of London to somewhere on the outskirts, so its not impossible to do similar in Liverpool.
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Old July 1st, 2005, 09:22 PM   #14
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Sounds like a good idea, but how would it get into the centre of citys, unless it's built above existing motorways, main roads. More likeley say outskirts of kirkby to outskirts of Manchester along A580, connecting onto railway line station.

Some JMU students did a display on future Liverpool a few years ago that I remember going to see. They suggested using the old rail tunnel that runs down to the docks and building the terminus where the "Toys R Us" shed is now. Seemed a sensible idea to me.
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Old July 1st, 2005, 09:40 PM   #15
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Sounds good. For some months the newspapers have said Tony Blair was personally impressed by the plans for a super-high speed line.

I don't see how this can't happen.

It is insanity to use planes for internal journeys between London and the northern / Scottish cities. It is causing tons of carbon to be released every day, and is not sustainable. Domestic air traffic from London to Northern England / Scotland could be made obsolete by this development. Everyone travelling by air internally who has a choice should search their conscience, because it's hugely destructive. I do it occasionally because I am forced to do trips for work that I can't otherwise do, but it is objectionable.

Plus we could stop wasting vast amounts of money on any further expansion of the motorway network, and get people out of cars for long distance journeys.

I don't know what the proposed route is, but plainly a spur would not be a first choice. Not in the mood to look at the proposed map at the moment, it will probably annoy me, but a decent direct link on this thing for Liverpool would be great.

I think this is going to happen.
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Old July 2nd, 2005, 12:34 PM   #16
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From all the maps that I've seen, Liverpool is not included in the plans. The main proposal being from London to Birmingham - Manchester - Leeds - Newcaste - Edinburgh - Glasgow as one long line.

Of course we would then add this to our list of 'we're the biggest city in the country without...' list.
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Old July 2nd, 2005, 12:42 PM   #17
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^The map in the Echo does show Liverpool.
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Old July 2nd, 2005, 12:45 PM   #18
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Have you a scanner?
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Old July 2nd, 2005, 12:49 PM   #19
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Not one that is working!

The line looks like the one you described but at Manchester it splits off to Liverpool.
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That's shit. What's wrong with a divergence at Crewe like on the WCML?
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