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Old April 1st, 2007, 03:54 PM   #1
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India Elements of Urban Design

folks can we have discuss/showcase design and engineering of public elements in this common thread? things like market places, mandis, boulevards, ped friendly measures, intersection designs and so on.

Cannought Place, Marine Drive, Charminar initiatives and so on?

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The censored words are just an April Fools joke on all of us.

About urban public design, I think there is a general lack of expertise among the various government departments in that area.

Call it lack of willingness or lack of imagination, but our cities are a mess because of this. I've always been for common marketplaces in communities that are kept clean and simple and accesible. This will get rid of the carts from the streets.

Every street should have a footpath, but even with all the new roads coming up, many of them still don't have footpaths on them.

There are no walking spaces in our cities, no parking spaces, all open spaces are encroached on, all shopping spaces are encroached on, theres no wonder that now the focus is on creating new urban spaces because the old ones seem practically lost. I think the authorities have no idea or competence anymore on how to run cities.
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Charminar Ped Project

This is a classic example of how tough it could be to change/improve the face of our urban environs. The project has been taken up over two decades ago. Successive govts have been trying hard to make it but still the progress has been at a snail's pace.

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Plans are being finalised for inner and outer ring roads around Charminar for which eleven roads have been identified. Of these, seven roads are being widened to 60 feet.

For instance, the Nala road—Yakutpura to Dabeerpura Darwaja—which is 20 feet is now being widened to 60 feet. Similarly, Mehendi road—Shad Cafe to City College—would be widened to 60 feet from the existing 30 feet.

The other roads in the series include Himmathpura road, Chowk road, Haribowli road, Mitti Ka Sher road, Punchamohalla road, Panjeshah road, Mir Alam Mandi road, Shalibanda and Lodhkhan roads.

As part of the project, the corporation has proposed to acquire land in 2 kms for the 3-km inner ring road and in 5 kms for the 10-km outer ring road.

Highest number of properties to be affected are on Shalibanda road and the Charminar-Falaknuma road in which about 268 properties are being acquired for expansion work. Meanwhile, town planning officials are insisting the land owners to take additional Floor Space Index (FSI) instead of any compensation. Currently, the affected owners are getting compensation to the structural value of the building bulldozed. To reduce the compensation cost to the MCH, the mandarins of the corporation have reportedly asked the town planners of circle I and II to get assent from the land owners through private negotiations.

In case of the owners, who do not come forward to part with their land, the land would be acquired by invoking an emergency clause.

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Charminar Ped Project

Some of the objectives:
* Pedestrianisation and beautification of Charminar and Lad Bazar,
* Restoration of Pattergatti facades,
* Heritage walks (which were inaugurated in 1999) and
* A comprehensive signage system for Charminar precincts were taken up.

The char kamans of Gulzar Houz are also undergoing restoration under this project.
Once the CPP is completed, only battery-operated buses and vehicles would be allowed near Charminar.


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06/03/2005 URL: http://www.thehindu.com/2005/03/06/s...0614760300.htm
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Pedestrianisation project revival on the cards
HYDERABAD, MARCH 5. The project to restore the grandeur of Hyderabad's famous icon, Charminar, may finally take off. The Charminar Pedestrianisation Project is bogged down in bureaucratic wrangles and lack of inter-departmental coordination ever since its inception. Now, a serious effort is on to revive it.

With a view to expediting the total diversion of Road Transport Corporation (RTC) vehicles in the downward direction, the Municipal Corporation of Hyderabad (MCH) has decided to sanction Rs. 36 lakhs for levelling of the six-acre RTC land at Falaknuma to enable shifting of the bus depot from Charminar. The corporation has already levelled 1.5 acres of land.

The project was reviewed at a meeting on Saturday. The MCH Commissioner, Chitra Ramachandran, the Charminar MLA, Syed Ahmed Pasha Qadri, the Yakutpura MLA, Mumtaz Ahmed Khan, the Chief Engineer (Metro Zone), Trnansco, A. Srinivas Rao, urban designer and Vastu Shilpa consultant, Rajeev Kathpalia, were present.

Boost to tourism : As part of the beautification project, a buffer zone would be created around the monument and underground cabling taken up on the Laad Bazar stretch. The Transco agreed to take up this work on priority basis. It was also resolved to expedite shifting of the Charminar police station to a place behind it. The MCH, the Tourism Department and the district Collector would coordinate. Once the police station was shifted, the road around Charminar would be widened and cobbled stones laid for tourists to take a leisurely view of the monument. The process of handing over the Pension Payment office at Moti Galli to the MCH would be speeded up. This area was proposed to be utilised for parking purpose.

The question of providing uniform signage for shops at Patharghatti also figured at the meeting. It was decided to hold a meeting with traders next week in coordination with the Charminar and Yakutpura legislators. Majlis legislators promised to extend all help for beautification of the area in and around Charminar...
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Cobbled Pavement - Looks pretty, doesnt it?
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Road widening to raze 782 properties
Koride Mahesh [19 Aug, 2006 0331hrs IST TIMES NEWS NETWORK ]

HYDERABAD: The proposed road widening in the Old City as part of the Charminar Pedestrianisation (CPP) Project is set to affect as many as 782 properties. Of these, some properties have already been bulldozed—most of them partially—and 355 properties will be acquired by the Municipal Corporation of Hyderabad (MCH) within a month.

Plans are being finalised for inner and outer ring roads around Charminar for which eleven roads have been identified. Of these, seven roads are being widened to 60 feet.

For instance, the Nala road—Yakutpura to Dabeerpura Darwaja—which is 20 feet is now being widened to 60 feet. Similarly, Mehendi road—Shad Cafe to City College—would be widened to 60 feet from the existing 30 feet.

The other roads in the series include Himmathpura road, Chowk road, Haribowli road, Mitti Ka Sher road, Punchamohalla road, Panjeshah road, Mir Alam Mandi road, Shalibanda and Lodhkhan roads. As part of the project, the corporation has proposed to acquire land in 2 kms for the 3-km inner ring road and in 5 kms for the 10-km outer ring road. Highest number of properties to be affected are on Shalibanda road and the Charminar-Falaknuma road in which about 268 properties are being acquired for expansion work...

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Friday, March 09, 2007 Cyberabad Times
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Charminar Pedestrianisation Project begins
Getting an unhindered view of Charminar from Laad Bazar will not be a problem anymore. The maze of criss-crossing wires that mar the beauty of the monument will be a thing of the past soon as the much-delayed Laad Bazar beautification project is all set to take off.

Work on underground cabling, a major component of the Charminar Pedestrianisation Project, was inaugurated on Thursday by former MP and Majlis president Sultan Salahuddin Owaisi. The Rs. 49.9-lakh project, which envisages laying of pre-cast ducts for electricity, telephone and other cables was expected to be completed in four months. In the first phase underground cabling would be done between the Laad Bazar-Motigalli stretch. In all 690 pre-cast ducts would be laid at a depth of 1.25 metres in three rows. Each row would have 230 ducts for carrying different cables. "The work will be carried out mostly during nights causing minimum inconvenience to traffic," said A.S. Ratnakar, deputy executive engineer, MCH.
Source: Indian Express
Underground cabling begins at Laad Bazar

Pre-cast cement ducts kept ready for the underground cabling works at Laad Bazar near Charminar.
http://www.hindu.com/2007/03/09/stor...0922120300.htm

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Work on underground cabling, a major component of the Charminar Pedestrianisation Project, was inaugurated on Thursday by former MP and Majlis president Sultan Salahuddin Owaisi. The Rs. 49.9-lakh project, which envisages laying of pre-cast ducts for electricity, telephone and other cables was expected to be completed in four months. In the first phase underground cabling would be done between the Laad Bazar-Motigalli stretch. In all 690 pre-cast ducts would be laid at a depth of 1.25 metres in three rows. Each row would have 230 ducts for carrying different cables... (Deccan Chronicle)
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Road South of Charminar, leading to Falknuma Palace
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Old April 4th, 2007, 10:48 AM   #8
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babji..
great compilation. the aspects of the project you highlighted(UG cabling, buses, parking, aesthetics etc) are all very interesting.

Also do you know if they plan to incorporate the street vendors? somehow get them regularized?
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Recently a very accomplished Indian architect, Laurie Baker died. He was a pioneer in low-cost housing for the poor and globally recognized as such. I wish cities such as Mumbai and Delhi took his advise on how to build such housing, but all the time that they had in using his services, they chose to use it in creating stalemates and utter BS.

So what public design do we apply to this mess??





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Old April 4th, 2007, 08:57 PM   #10
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sometimes i think the concept of chawls/vataara(m) could not be so bad at all. they would have reduced sprawl no?

can anything be done to make these more livable? i understand that bombay slums are different in that many middle-calss and lower middle class people also live in it. so just migration might not be the sole cause of this. unaffordable RE prices?
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well, to that we apply the design called, "amchi politician/neta home-made cheap and quick public design." had the netas had the guts to oppose such things when they started, this would have never happened. and now, the netas treat slum development/rehab as a potential vote-bank upsetting issue....so, it is essentially a neta-made problem...
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looking at the dharavi pics i wonder if the slum dwellers ever get lost trying to reach their huts.
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Old April 5th, 2007, 01:45 AM   #13
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They need to have imagination. They need to build fantasy cities like something out of Star Wars.

Instead, they say they want to replicate old worn down Western cities like 'Manhattan", they want to try to turn Delhi into Paris. What they actually accomplish is not even a fraction of their mediocre goals. Dubai has the right idea (though I still feel that some of their designs are a tad conservative).

I don't believe this excuse that they don't have money. For a large country like India - anything can be financed.
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Old April 5th, 2007, 01:47 AM   #14
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http://www.itdp.org/ST/ST15/ST15.pdf

Pedestrianizing Asian Cities
... Jaipur's Pedestrianization Program
... Hyd Charminar Pedestrianization
... Yogyakartha, Indonesia
and more.
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Charminar Pedestrianization - Relocation of Hawkers

MCH has plans to relocate hawkers from the roads and crowded areas on sidewalks in and around Charminar. Most hawkers are unwilling to relocate to other areas.

As an alternative solution to relocate the hawkers, MCH has proposed to install 4 feet by 5 feet metal kiosks like the ones you find in NewYork City and other major metro areas, on the pavements/ sidewalks.

The kiosks, made of metal sheet and wire mesh, have been designed to blend in well with the heritage structures around Charminar. The four by five feet kiosks would be equipped with wheels, so they can be moved whenever required like during a heavy traffic movement, security drills, etc. Each kiosk would cost about Rs. 40,000. MCH would rent them to hawkers at a reasonable rent. Hawkers could sell hosiery, bangles, crockery, leather-bags, belts, purses and the likes on these kiosks. The kiosk design has been finalised in consultation with the heritage consultant.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/a...how/278704.cms

URL: http://www.thehindu.com/thehindu/mp/...0101050100.htm
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Twilight carnival
The Hyderabadi does not need a particular time to shop, as SYEDA FARIDA finds out negotiating the throng of festival shoppers in Charminar well past midnight...
URL: http://www.thehindu.com/2006/10/01/s...0122080300.htm
Patharghatti hawkers relieved as MCH allows them to do business

URL: http://www.thehindu.com/thehindu/mp/...1301250100.htm
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Mecca Gate to Moula Ali
Charminar drives the brand of the city, but which Hyderabad. SERISH NANISETTI finds out

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/paragvs/page7/
Bangles Stalls at Charminar

Fruits Stalls at Charminar

More Fruits Stalls at Charminar

Thanks to Parag, the Photographer.
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Charminar Heritage Walk
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/a...,prtpage-1.cms
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Heritage walks: No takers
[ 30 Sep, 2001 0049hrs ISTTIMES NEWS NETWORK ]
hyderabad: state government has done little to initiate moves towards pedestrainisation of charminar. heritage walks, carrying out urban improvements in laad bazaar stretch and signage/hoarding controls of pathergatti were mooted in november 1999 by ahmedabadbased vastu shilpa consultants (vsc). however, there was little participation by public for the heritage walks, which were organised nine times since september 27, 2000. this is because of little publicity. the vsc, along with their heritage consultant prof nalini thakur identified eight routes, based on different themes spread in an area of about six square kilometres of the old city for walks. it was for the first time in the country that heri t a g e walks were conducted and documented in such depth and detail, but in each walk not more than 50 people, including officials, participated in them. though the archaeological survey of india (asi) carried out the restoration of the charminar and government repaired the fountained the proposal to pedestrianise the entire area has not been implemented so far.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/a...,prtpage-1.cms
Charminar Walk gains good mileage
[ 26 Jan, 2004 0136hrs ISTTIMES NEWS NETWORK ]
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HYDERABAD: Over 300 people thronged Charminar premises on Sunday morning to take part in the much awaited Charminar Heritage Walk, coinciding with the National Tourism Day celebrations.

Organised by the tourism department for the cause of conserving the heritage structures, the heritage walk was flagged off by the tourism director G Kishan Rao. Speaking on the occasion, he said the heritage walks have gained good mileage, publicity and momentum over the last one year with people from other states including Gujarat following the concept.

"Even people from other countries have encouraged this idea and have planned to take up the same at their native places," he said.

Many professors of architecture from Boston and London Universities took to the bylanes of the Old City to sketch the buildings of erstwhile Nizam era. Among them a Boston University professor Chess walked the entire stretch and sketched the portrait of the Azha Khana-e-Zehra.
Students from Serenity Public School, Kesargutta, Gautam Model School, Samia High School, Agarwal High School for Boys, Mukharram Jah School and Ayesha High School from the old city participated in the heritage walk. The walk from Charminar covered places including Laad Bazaar, Mecca Masjid, Purani Haveli, Char Kamans, Darulshifa and Azha Khana-e-Zehra.

Tourism department heritage walks incharge, Deepti Pratap organised the walk and senior guide Dr Bharat Bhushan explained the historical aspects of the monuments.
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Workshop for setting up Heritage Clubs in schools
The Heritage Education and Communication Service (HECS) in collaboration with INTACH AP Chapter and Forum For A Better Hyderabad conducted "A 2 day Workshop for Setting Up Heritage Clubs in Schools"...

URL: http://www.thehindu.com/2004/04/26/s...2610660200.htm
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A peep into heritage

HYDERABAD, APRIL 25. Heritage lovers in the city on Sunday had a peep into the history of the Old City, from Charminar to the Khilwat Palace, as they marched along the streets as part of a heritage walk organised by the Department of Tourism.

The walk, which included tourists from Gujarat, Mumbai and local heritage enthusiasts, began at Charminar and passed through Laad Bazaar, Shahi Jilau Khana, Moti Gali and various other remains of the Nizam's era, many which were destroyed by encroachers, road widening schemes and expanding business enterprises...

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Currently, the only Indian element to public design that I see is the cardboard boxes built by PWD and other government agencies all over the country.

I look forward to the beautification of Connaught Place in New Delhi. I am hoping the sloths in Delhi will wake up in time to do that.

Meanwhile, from the link "Pedestrianizing Asian Cities" by Babji......

Jaipur’s Pedestrianization Program

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Jaipur’s historical core is clogged with smokespewing and noisy motorcycles, motorrickshaws, and taxis. With its heavy reliance on tourism, and a well-preserved walled city, Jaipur is a natural for a world-class pedestrian zone.

The Plan

Discussions for pedestrianization inside the walled city began in May of 2000. The Municipal Secretary at the time, G. S. Sandhu, developed a three-phase program, and planned for a budget of about $275,000. Phase I envisioned the pedestrianization of a narrow street passing through the Bapu Bazaar, then expanding to the Neheru Bazaar, Jawahar Bazaar and Indira Bazaar. In Phase II, the Johari Bazaar, Kishan pole market and the Chauda Rasta road that passes in front of the Hawa Mahal, would be made completely vehicle free. In
Phase III, the whole walled city would be pedestrianized, with only cycle rickshaws and battery operated buses allowed.

Implementation

Hope for turning Jaipur into an international urban treasure revolved around the success or failure of the first phase. So far, success has been mixed. In 2001, the Jaipur municipality spent just under $1 million closing the road through the Bapu Bazaar, hiring security guards to restrict vehicles on
the three connecting roads leading to the market. They reconstructed the road in red stone, put in a fountain, buried electrical lines, improved drainage facilities, and put out garbage cans while banning the dumping of solid wastes on the road. Access to freight delivery vehicles was restricted to
the hours of 12 pm to 2 pm.

The Results

After the pedestrianization, according to the merchants, business in the market area overall improved. However, with traffic conditions unpredictable, trucks continued to arrive throughout the day, so the time restriction on truck deliveries was dropped. The improved business environment also
did not benefit everyone equally. Initially, parking was provided at the two ends of the market area, in what used to be the through street. While larger, off-site parking facilities are planned, they have not yet been built. As a result, shops with ugly parking facilities directly in front of them lost customers.

Businesses far from the parking area suffered because some shoppers did not want to walk all the way to the middle of the market area. Shops just inside the pedestrian area thrived.
The shops that were the losers in this redistribution of space lobbied the government to pedestrianize the entire area at once and provide off-street parking somewhere, and to meanwhile re-open the street to motorcycles and cabs dropping off shoppers at specific stores. The Municipality agreed.
Currently, the road has been re-opened to motorcycles (most of them are owned by the shop owners, and used for their own errands), and to taxis
dropping off customers. The current plan is to revert to full pedestrianization as soon as off-site parking facilities have been constructed.

Most of the shoppers interviewed use motorcycles to reach the market. About 40% of those interviewed said they supported the program. Shoppers’ main complaint is a lack of parking facilities.

It would be a shame if Jaipur’s future as a world-class pedestrian space were to collapse due to lack of off-site parking facilities and because some sort of compensation fund among the shop owners could not be developed.
Jaipur and Hyderabad basically represent what is happening in all major cities of the country with a significant old town area. I think Indian society in general hates being inconvenienced, even if it means walking an extra 10 meters. That is why jay-walking is so popular and cars and buses stop anywhere they want to on a busy street. Strict rules need to be enforced to keep away three wheelers and motorcycles from these walkways.

But even here, the main problem is parking, parking, parking. It seems no city in this country is able to find a successful model for urban parking, and that, to me, is a big failure of Indian urban design.
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ayyo.. i just wrote a big response from the quick reply. and it vanished somewhere.
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