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Official 'Earlybird Vs.The World' thread.

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Happy birthday Early. Go crazy mate! :)
 
#155 ·
Just to briefly bring up my point about Preston Docks. For a while did some pretty major stuff:

-In 1968, the Albert Edward Dock accounted for 16% of total sea cargo passing through ports
-It was (and remains to this day) the largest single dock basin in the country
-Preston was the first dock to introduce Roll-on Roll-off traffic (Ro-Ro) in 1948
-By the 1960's the port held the record for the handling the largest amount of container and ferry traffic
-Cotton and wood pulp were the most important cargoes landed here

Taken from www.prestondocks.co.uk



Not exactly what I would call a spare part on Liverpool's account.
 
#158 ·
Accura_Preston said:
It was (and remains to this day) the largest single dock basin in the country.
Not so Accura, that honour goes to the Royal Seaforth Dock on the Mersey, in fact the Royal Seaforth is the largest artificialy enclose expanse of seawater in the world. Also, the Langton Lock is the largest tidal lock in the world. Prestons Albert Edward Dock only held the title for a short time, being eclipsed by the Canada Dock on the Mersey.
 
#162 ·
sloyne said:
Not so Accura, that honour goes to the Royal Seaforth Dock on the Mersey, in fact the Royal Seaforth is the largest artificialy enclose expanse of seawater in the world. Also, the Langton Lock is the largest tidal lock in the world. Prestons Albert Edward Dock only held the title for a short time, being eclipsed by the Canada Dock on the Mersey.
Go Sloyne!
 
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#163 ·
Awayo said:
If I'm speaking bollocks them please disagree with me. You haven't.

My point, again. After 1974 when Greater Manchester and Merseyside counties came into existence, for some reason, the post office incorporated Merseyside into the addresses of outlying parts of the new county, including areas that did not have Liverpool as their postal town and therefore an "L" postcode.

As in Liverpool's case, the districts in the new Greater Manchester county included areas that were served by different post towns: Manchester, Bolton, Stockport.

This sort of thing happens. Postal districts and local authority districts are different things. Those districts that had Manchester post codes (including Salford) could be correctly labelled Salford, Manchester from a postal point of view, following the principle that the best way to label a letter is to include is post town in the address. However, all of the other postal districts in Greater Manchester that were served by other post towns and had non-Manchester post codes retained their historical county in their addresses - so Bolton, Lancs, Oldham, Lancs and Stockport, Cheshire.

Even in those areas that had a Manchester post code and people placed the county into their address rather than the post town of Manchester (e.g. Salford), Lancashire was used but never Greater Manchester - at least not correctly as far as the post office was concerned.

In Merseyside (and it was inconsistant and without any good reason for it to be the case), the new county was incorporated into the addresses of areas outside of the "L" postcode area such as Southport and St Helens.

It means nothing. It's not an insult to you and Manchester that this curious bureaucratic inconsistancy occurred, so there's no reason for you to get annoyed by it.
Again, you don't seem to understand this basic concept. Royal Mail used "Manchester" in all addresses (including Salford and parts of both Trafford and Tameside) that were within Manchester's urban area. It's just like London. They never include Greater London, they just put London in all addresses within Greater London's urban area. Manchester is exactly the same in that they shortened "Greater Manchester Urban Area" to "Manchester". Liverpool, Leeds and Birmingham are different.
 
#165 ·
sloyne said:
Not so Accura, that honour goes to the Royal Seaforth Dock on the Mersey, in fact the Royal Seaforth is the largest artificialy enclose expanse of seawater in the world. Also, the Langton Lock is the largest tidal lock in the world. Prestons Albert Edward Dock only held the title for a short time, being eclipsed by the Canada Dock on the Mersey.
Pictures?

LIV08 said:
Anybody with a lancaster accent
Oh well... that kinda blows Gareth's theory out of the water...
 
#170 ·
EarlyBird said:
Again, you don't seem to understand this basic concept. Royal Mail used "Manchester" in all addresses (including Salford and parts of both Trafford and Tameside) that were within Manchester's urban area. It's just like London. They never include Greater London, they just put London in all addresses within Greater London's urban area. Manchester is exactly the same in that they shortened "Greater Manchester Urban Area" to "Manchester". Liverpool, Leeds and Birmingham are different.
But a lot of London has always had a "Middlesex" postal code, not a London one. And other parts of areas that have been part of metroplitan London for ages (such as Twickenham) have had their own postal addresses since....well maybe you can find out, as part of your next project, but it's a long time. There has never been a London pre-fix for the metropolis, it's always been divvied up between a number of postal regions.

Areas of the Wirral had L prefixes for generations (until this recent CH silliness, which needs to be reversed). Do you understand the geography of the Wirral, EB? It has been conneced by an underground line to central Liverpool for a long time, and later by roads - it is part of a contiguous urban area, as roads and a commuter rail line run through (actually under) it, and a lot of the Wirral settlements (Wallasey being a good example) are as much a suburb and part of Liverpool as Woolton or Bootle or Childwall. You seem to think the River has more separating effect than it actually does.
 
#174 ·
The Mersey is a physical barrier in Liverpool but as Liverpolitan states the rail system as tunnels have largely cancelled it out.

Is Newcastle/Gateshead 2 seperate places or Glasgow or London itself? All the best cities have a river at their heart, the great cities have mighty rivers. See Liverpool and New York for clarity.
 
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#175 ·
liverpolitan said:
But a lot of London has always had a "Middlesex" postal code, not a London one. And other parts of areas that have been part of metroplitan London for ages (such as Twickenham) have had their own postal addresses since....well maybe you can find out, as part of your next project, but it's a long time. There has never been a London pre-fix for the metropolis, it's always been divvied up between a number of postal regions.
Again you prove you really have no comprehension of anything Liverpolitan. We were talking about the use of the term "Greater Manchester" in postal addresses. I pointed out that it wasn't used by Royal Mail in the postcode address file because they went down the Greater London route and called it Manchester instead of "Greater Manchester Urban Area". Post codes have bugger all to do with it.

London and Manchester both had the city name included in the address for any areas inside the urban area, rather than the traditional county for everything. This was different to every other city in the country. They stopped doing this, though, because the urban areas began growing too much and the use of the city name stopped being of any use in distinguishing where a place was.

liverpolitan said:
Areas of the Wirral had L prefixes for generations (until this recent CH silliness, which needs to be reversed). Do you understand the geography of the Wirral, EB? It has been conneced by an underground line to central Liverpool for a long time, and later by roads - it is part of a contiguous urban area, as roads and a commuter rail line run through (actually under) it, and a lot of the Wirral settlements (Wallasey being a good example) are as much a suburb and part of Liverpool as Woolton or Bootle or Childwall. You seem to think the River has more separating effect than it actually does.
I don't think it has any separating effect at all liverpolitan. Where you've got that crap from I don't know. I added the Birkenhead urban area to the Liverpool area to give you a Liverpool urban area population statistic. It's simply that from a purely statistical angle the two are separate due to the base population density used by ONS. If they'd chosen a high enough value for the two to become one urban area then Liverpool would also be a part of Manchester, which is why they used the value they did. The Wirral is no more a part of Liverpool than Bolton, Bury, Rochdale, Oldham, Tameside and Stockport are of Manchester though.
 
#176 ·
That's rubbish Early, Wirral is suburban, Bolton, Bury, Rochdale, Oldham and Stockport are definately towns in their own right. That's not to say they're not of Manchester but you can't compare them with Wirral and Liverpool.

The only towns in Merseyside that compare are St Helens and Southport.
 
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