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Old January 4th, 2017, 10:26 PM   #2021
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The government wants to explore if it is possible to raise the speed limit from 110 to 120 km/h on some motorways.

https://www.trm.dk/da/nyheder/2017/f...fiksikkerheden

When the general motorway speed limit was raised from 110 to 130 in 2004, relatively long stretches remained at 110 km/h.

Present speed limits (as of september 2015);
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Old January 8th, 2017, 09:01 PM   #2022
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Drove from NL to Copenhagen this christmas. I like the roads in Denmark! I don't see why they have 110/130 on some ways but overall great! Only expensive tolls!
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Old January 9th, 2017, 08:11 PM   #2023
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As you can see on the map it's generally 110 when the motorway is near a town. Southern part of E47 has no hard shoulders.
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Old January 9th, 2017, 08:24 PM   #2024
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Many 110 km/h stretches aren't really urban though. For instance near Kolding, Aarhus and west of Roskilde. E47 has no shoulders at some sections, but also very light traffic volumes.

A14 near Schwerin, Germany:

A14-22 by European Roads, on Flickr

A29, France

A29-9 by European Roads, on Flickr
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Old January 10th, 2017, 08:45 PM   #2025
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Many 110 km/h stretches aren't really urban though. For instance near Kolding, Aarhus and west of Roskilde. E47 has no shoulders at some sections, but also very light traffic volumes.
Just that..
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Old January 11th, 2017, 11:52 AM   #2026
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Many 110 km/h stretches aren't really urban though. For instance near Kolding, Aarhus and west of Roskilde. E47 has no shoulders at some sections, but also very light traffic volumes.
I am confident that the mentioned sections are some of the sections that will be included among those sections that could see new speed limits. Other sections could be around Randers (E45), north of Hjørring (E39), sections in the triangle between Vejle, Kolding and Fredericia (E20/E45), E47 between the Farø bridge and Sakskøbing (that allready have hard shoulders) and the northern section of E47 towards Helsingør.

On the other hand i think Vejdirektoratet will be hesitant to raise the speed limit on those sections without shoulders, unless they are upgraded.
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I think E47 should get upgraded with full shoulders, in light of the Femern Bælt Tunnel.
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Old January 11th, 2017, 12:56 PM   #2028
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I think E47 should get upgraded with full shoulders, in light of the Femern Bælt Tunnel.
EIA for a project including upgrade with shoulders has been carried out in 2012, with the conclusion that such an upgrade is the long term goal. http://www.vejdirektoratet.dk/DA/vej...091012.doc.pdf . However in the short term only minor improvements will be carried out. Even with the Femernbelt- tunnel - when it will be completed in 2028-2030, the traffic south of Maribo is only expected to amount to an AADT around 12.000 cars, and that is probably one of the main reason that it is concluded that such an upgrade is not socio-economical feasible for the time being.
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Old January 11th, 2017, 08:21 PM   #2029
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Many 110 km/h stretches aren't really urban though. For instance near Kolding, Aarhus and west of Roskilde. E47 has no shoulders at some sections, but also very light traffic volumes.
The stretch between Kolding, Vejle and Middlefart is mostly in rural areas, but with a higher density of interchanges and huge traffic volumes and often sees queues. The same goes for the one between Vissenbjerg and Odense SV.Hence the speed limits.
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The stretch between Kolding, Vejle and Middlefart is mostly in rural areas, but with a higher density of interchanges and huge traffic volumes and often sees queues. The same goes for the one between Vissenbjerg and Odense SV.Hence the speed limits.
Traffic volume in it self is not determining the speed limit: E45 Skanderborg S - Aarhus S and E20 Nørre Aaby - Odense V are among the 2+2 sections with the largest AADT (approx. 65.000 cars) but has nevertheless a 130 km/h speed limit.
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Old January 12th, 2017, 02:49 PM   #2031
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Why shouldn't Storebælt bridges get 130?
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Old January 12th, 2017, 03:14 PM   #2032
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Why shouldn't Storebælt bridges get 130?
Relatively strong cross winds could be one answer. Not very nice passing one of the pylons or anchor blocks with a speed exceeding 110 km/h with a cross wind.
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You can really feel it even when the wind is only moderate. On top of that are motorists distracted by the views and magnificence of the bridge. I don't really have a problem with 110 km/h. Maybe they could raise the speed limit to 130 on the west bridge.
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Old January 12th, 2017, 08:48 PM   #2034
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I think E47 should get upgraded with full shoulders, in light of the Femern Bælt Tunnel.
Won't happen unless they build new tunnels between Lolland-Falster (the current Guldborgsundtunnel has no hard shoulders to speak of. On the other hand, it was built in preparation for motorway standards with one tunnel in each direction which had really wide shoulders in the tunnel, between 1988-2007 the road on both sides was 1+1 lanes only).
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Well, shoulders are regularly omitted in tunnels throughout Europe. They could still add shoulders to the non-tunnel segments of E47. E47 is also the oldest motorway in Denmark (not the first to open, but the first to start construction) so they may need to replace some bridges anyway.
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Old January 12th, 2017, 09:23 PM   #2036
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The oldest section (Rødbyhavn-Sakskøbing, 30 kms) was inaugerated in time for the ferry connection with Germany in 1963, but many of the constructions took place in the 1940's. The whole stretch will most likely get a full reconstruction including hard shoulders to the road once (if?) the Fehmarnbelt project gets off. That's the plan at least. Meanwhile, some of the bridges have been or is going to be replaced in the coming years due to wear and tear (one bridge got smashed away by a truck last year). But once the reconstruction works have been done I believe it might be possible they'll raise the speed limit to 130 km/h. It's about 40 kms of driving across Lolland thus it should be worthwhile to raise the speed limit.


As for the dates of construction, apart from Rødbyhavn-Sakskøbing the rest of the stretch incl. the Guldborgsundtunnel and the Farøbroen was built in the 1980's thus are built to modern motorway standards.


When it comes to the stretch across Falster and the Guldborgsundtunnel I believe it's another story. The speed limit is set to 90 km/h in the tunnel, which is the same as Öresundsbroen's tunnel and the Aalborg tunnel (none of them have hard shoulders either). As the Guldborgsundtunnel is mostly used by long-distance traffic (I suspect most local traffic on the motorway get off at the exists before the tunnel to get to Nykøbing/Falster) and you only have 15 kms of driving at Falster before you get to the Farøbroen/tunnel (and the bridge doesn't have any hard shoulders either, is often windy and popular for slow motion tourist driving across the open sea) the road agency probably has concluded there isn't much to gain from raising the speed at this stretch across Falster to anything but 110 km/h. If you're driving to or from Rødby you need to adjust at each ends of the island of Falster anyway, and if you're going to Nykøbing/Falster or Gedser it's only ca 10 kms between Farøbroen and the exit thus a raise from 110->130 wouldn't change travel time much at all.
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Relatively strong cross winds could be one answer. Not very nice passing one of the pylons or anchor blocks with a speed exceeding 110 km/h with a cross wind.
And bridges are areas of somewhat higher risks in general: Cross wind risk, slippery on certain weather conditions, less escape paths at fire, less space for rescue operations, etc. Lowering the speed limit may compensate the higher risk.
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Øresund Bridge

7,424,000 vehicles crossed the Øresund Bridge between Denmark & Sweden in 2016, a new record. It is an average of 20,300 vehicles per day, 1,000 more than in 2015.

The busiest day was 30 July 2016 with 31,483 vehicles crossing the bridge.

The tolls also have been reduced, according to the Øresundbron website the toll is now 360 DKK. It was 390 DKK in 2016.

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Old January 18th, 2017, 10:29 PM   #2039
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The work to replace the bridge I referred to earlier on Sydmotorvejen, Lolland, where a truck driver smashed it (and himself) to pieces, will start later than planned. But the completion date will remain the same, on 15th of December this year it should all be completed:

http://folketidende.dk/Lokal-nyt/Sta...artikel/398613


Another news from the same area... Guldborgsundbroen (built in the 1930's) might get weight restrictions imposed on it. The bridge can't handle heavy (> 50 tons) lorries as it stands today. The speed limit might also decrease from 50 -> 40 km/h.

http://folketidende.dk/Lokal-nyt/Bro...artikel/398620
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The work to replace the bridge I referred to earlier on Sydmotorvejen, Lolland, where a truck driver smashed it (and himself) to pieces, will start later than planned. But the completion date will remain the same, on 15th of December this year it should all be completed:

http://folketidende.dk/Lokal-nyt/Sta...artikel/398613
And according to the tender documents the new bridge will be designed for full 130 km/h profile. Anything else would be stupid. http://leverandorportal.vejdirektora...0H03007.01.pdf
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