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Old February 10th, 2012, 08:53 PM   #41
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Not really. If you can't understand what I mean you really need to pick up a few history and art books.
Ok hotshot. Name a country with better reconstructions on a massive scale?
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Old February 10th, 2012, 08:56 PM   #42
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Old February 10th, 2012, 10:40 PM   #43
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Most of streets in old town have the same pattern, I know only one street('groblena') that was 'moved' slightly for propaganda reasons(It was about better view over Kingschapel , which was built in dedication to Polish king - Jan III Sobieski)
Hmm.........I see. But you can still see the place where the houses stood ( at the sidewalk-street) but they could've done better in that street, allthough it has some nice houses between it

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Old February 10th, 2012, 10:49 PM   #44
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Post-war reconstruction of Gdańsk (Polish city on the Baltic coast)

Golden House (Złota kamienica)

Before WW2




Now

Notice the two buildings on either side of the Golden House.

This reconstruction is absolutely splendid with the reconstruction being even more ornate and whimsical than its predecessor.
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Old February 10th, 2012, 10:52 PM   #45
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Looks fantastic, but knowing most buildings are fake makes them uninteresting. They are now just culturally hollow structures merely created to appeal us aestheticly.
The term "fake" is that trotted out by incompetent contemporary architects frustrated that they cannot come up with anything nearly so beautiful or timeless. It's actually quite passe now as people have realized it's only their terminology that is "fake".
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The term "fake" is that trotted out by incompetent contemporary architects frustrated that they cannot come up with anything nearly so beautiful or timeless. It's actually quite passe now as people have realized it's only their terminology that is "fake".
or are just jealous that other architects DO have a fantasy and can build something beautiful

I mean have you seen that crap on the other pages of this thread with the old walltower and that modern stuff behind it? What the hell where they thinking about.....
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Old February 10th, 2012, 11:12 PM   #47
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The term "fake" is that trotted out by incompetent contemporary architects frustrated that they cannot come up with anything nearly so beautiful or timeless. It's actually quite passe now as people have realized it's only their terminology that is "fake".
brawo and well said, time to revise or tear up Venice Charter. we can all dispense with any delusion that modern or contemporary architecture can create the kind of warm and rich atmosphere that historic buildings pre-Bauhaus could. it's about cost though, those old grande dames cost a fortune to build and maintain, developers would rather put up a reinforced concrete skeleton and just slap on a curtain wall.
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Old February 10th, 2012, 11:27 PM   #48
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Wish they could that Synagoge on the earlier pages
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Old February 11th, 2012, 03:39 AM   #49
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Many people still don't understand why Poland is so poor compared to the other countries and why cities are not so good looking as other cities in the Western Europe. We have to remember that all Polish big cities were completely destroyed and looked similar to this after WW2...
I disagree to some of this. Poland is in fact quite a beautiful country and evokes that European atmosphere just as much as any other western European country. You just have this very negative mind set. Not sure why. The only difference is that some Polish cities may not have that "authenticity" like the cities of France or Italy. Let's not forget that the fiercest fighting of WW2 happened mainly in Central and East Europe. Cities in Germany, Poland, Holland, Ukraine and Russia suffered a lot of infrastructural damage.
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I disagree to some of this. Poland is in fact quite a beautiful country and evokes that European atmosphere just as much as any other western European country. You just have this very negative mind set. Not sure why. The only difference is that some Polish cities may not have that "authenticity" like the cities of France or Italy. Let's not forget that the fiercest fighting of WW2 happened mainly in Central and East Europe. Cities in Germany, Poland, Holland, Ukraine and Russia suffered a lot of infrastructural damage.
Cities like Arnhem, Nijmegen and Rotterdam were completly destroyed by German and American forces......America bombed Nijmegen thanks to a mistake it was the German town of Kleve ........






Unless the Grote-or St. Stevenskerk, the Town Hall, the Waag and some other buildings, the Binnenstad of Nijmegen is complete modern.....except for some streets in the Onderstad......
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Old February 11th, 2012, 01:19 PM   #51
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People's reactions here are so predictable. I am no fan of modernism in general. However, I am no fan of large scale reconstruction and historicism either. We don't need to "correct" history. We can't. Classical buildings reflect a certain period in history, and a certain way things were done etc. Now I do support partial reconstruction in some cases, especially of buildings of mportance or real aesthetic value. Maybe I even support the reconstruction of Gdansk. However not to admit that there are certain problems involved in such a process is downright stupid.
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It becomes so ugly now ...
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Im all up for whole-sale reconstructions as long as they are honest and not trying to make a statement. Yes, Gdansk does look nice and Id rather have what is there now than some Communist concrete hell-hole. However the reconstruction of Gdansk was a political move where German influences where ignored ("Prussian Barbarism") and Flemish ephasised.
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Old February 11th, 2012, 04:08 PM   #54
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Another pre-war videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXduRcRmarg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djPhcrnP8V8

I hope that Poles will continue with reconstruction process of the Old Town...

Before WW2



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Could you tell me if building in red square will be rebuilt?

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Old February 11th, 2012, 07:27 PM   #55
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Not really. If you can't understand what I mean you really need to pick up a few history and art books.
It's hard to understand what do you mean because you just served a few empty words. What books have to do with that? I've read a lot and still don't understand you.
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Old February 11th, 2012, 08:32 PM   #56
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@RS_UK-PL - probably not, but church in this photo is currently under renovation and partial reconstruction.

Btw. Near this church, there is last(abou 2 years ago) house reconstruction known to me, which looks a bit crappy in my opinion:

theese 2 houses(pre WW2):


only one wall survived(in middle):


and after reconstruction:



That survived fragment sticking out of the building shows us that, propably these 2 building weren't so straight like now...
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Old February 11th, 2012, 08:37 PM   #57
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Gdansk Old Town (Now)

Part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=094YoJWj22I

Part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8gTB...eature=related

Sienioslaw, thanks for the answer

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Another pre-war videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXduRcRmarg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djPhcrnP8V8

I hope that Poles will continue with reconstruction process of the Old Town...

Before WW2



Now



Could you tell me if building in red square will be rebuilt?

Most of the area in the red square is now built out with contemporary styled kamienice a la Dresden, sort of, not bad, there is still room I believe for the building in question. Glad to see that the roofscapes and tiles are consistent with those in Old Town:









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Old February 11th, 2012, 10:33 PM   #59
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Unless the Grote-or St. Stevenskerk, the Town Hall, the Waag and some other buildings, the Binnenstad of Nijmegen is complete modern.....except for some streets in the Onderstad......
Very sad
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As are the new buildings in Gdansk's old town area...
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