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Old August 26th, 2012, 04:40 AM   #81
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Poland after war don't have any minority problems (sorry man), because all nations from there were just cleaned.

Ok, Talk what just you want. But if you want to try talk about Lithuania, look in facts, but not in level "something said that".
I could say absolutely the same for Poland and so what? It is emotions but not decisions.
This is the reason why I immediately became sensitive to this thread, not because of the title, but the oversimplification of history, and above all the tone. I don't know where all this hate for Poland in some extremist circles is coming from in Lithuania after a millenium of brotherhood, it's obviously political and has something to do with the poor treatment of Polish minorities in your country.

moderator please close this thread until there is an attitude change.
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Old August 26th, 2012, 08:40 AM   #82
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moderator please close this thread until there is an attitude change.
This thread should be kept open, in my opinion. If our Lithuanian 'friend' talks rubbish, we'll keep pointing him out, no sweat.

By way of analogy, I believe nothing would stop us (Poles) from opening a photo thread depicting the architectural traces of Polish heritage in Vilnius/Wilno, Lviv/Lwów and other areas of the former Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.
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Old August 26th, 2012, 08:58 AM   #83
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Any surprise there?
No. My post was ironic... as far as I know there is no Gerhart Hauptmann street in Sklaska Poreba, no Max Born auditorium in Wroclaw and no Arthur Schopenhauer monument in Gdansk. But in Wroclaw I'm always impressed by the plagues who tell me that some Poles spend a night in the city.
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Old August 26th, 2012, 09:24 AM   #84
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No. My post was ironic... as far as I know there is no Gerhart Hauptmann street in Sklaska Poreba, no Max Born auditorium in Wroclaw and no Arthur Schopenhauer monument in Gdansk. But in Wroclaw I'm always impressed by the plagues who tell me that some Poles spend a night in the city.
Why Germans removed Polish eagles from Neptune's Fountain in Danzig/Gdansk in 1935? Why Germans restricted the usage of other languages than German in East Prussia in 1870s? Why Germans demolished Hercules (allegory of John III Sobieski) Well in Elbing/Elblag in 1885? Etc.

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Old August 26th, 2012, 10:02 AM   #85
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I guess those Poles here never heard anything about Gerhart Hauptmann, Arthur Schopenhauer, Max Born etc.

Perhaps only that these guys were fruits of several hundreds of years of enforced and brutal Germanization of eternal Polish grounds …

Anyway this here’s about the former German territory of East Prussia. Even after WWI, as the allied tried to weaken Germany as much as possible, this region stayed part of Germany.

Don’t you think dear Polish patriots that if East Prussia wouldn’t have been in its character a German land in 1918 it had rested a part of Germany? After all territorial losses and punishments the allied implemented on Germany?
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Old August 26th, 2012, 10:09 AM   #86
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Some of you guys are genuinely mental. You've managed to turn a perfectly innocent and interesting thread into another "Poland strong!!!" pissfest for no reason whatsoever...

I'd suggest the moderator responsible for this section to delete all of the nationality related, offtopic posts.


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Doesn't make any sense. Why would we even be searching for something which we have never lost.
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Old August 26th, 2012, 10:22 AM   #87
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Why Germans restricted the usage of other languages than German in East Prussia in 1870s?
Perhaps for the same reasons why France implemented the french language as sole and unique national language from Bretagne over Basque country to Alsace and Corsica: une nation, une langue!
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current state - Poland

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Well, well. Look at that little Samogitian scoundrel... 'Current state Poland' for Olsztyn?
Seriously? what the hell is wrong with you guys?

All i see in that picture is a beautiful building well in shape, good infrastructure and decent cars. So it is in black and white (which i admit, with no offense meant to Depeched, is unnecessary) - big f***ing deal. Does every picture of Poland have to be with rainbows and children laughing and flowers blooming and all that...?
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Old August 26th, 2012, 10:28 AM   #89
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Ok, Now back to current Lithuania.
Minor Lithuania as a ethnic region of Lithuania, always understandable as former East Prussia region. Nobody wants to ram it home that this area was full of lithuanian culture.
Lithuanians had own military part in Prussia army, where was used lithuanian language. Here, were printed lithuanian books for Lithuania, which was part of Russia Empire and lithuanian language was forbiden.

Lithuanians in Easter Prussia felt themselves as citizens of Prussia, later Germany.
I absolutlly sure that was a same in Southern part of Eastern Prussia. Till Hitler came to power, all germans seen this region as land of lithuanians. It still visible that this region was richer then Poland or Lithuania. When you just cross the former border, views of towns, architecture very diferrent and richer than Poland and Lithuania areas, I will not start to talk about Russia.

Heydekrug/Šilutė/Šilokarčema. Lithuania

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Old August 26th, 2012, 10:39 AM   #90
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Monument for german novelist and dramatist Hermann Sudermann,



Renovation of Hugo Scheu manor, there is also and monument for him












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Very nice and interesting images!
I’ll travel once to Lithuania and the whole Baltics for sure!
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Old August 26th, 2012, 11:01 AM   #93
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I guess those Poles here never heard anything about Gerhart Hauptmann, Arthur Schopenhauer, Max Born etc.
Schopenhauer? Is that the philosopher, who claimed his ancestors were Polish nobles?



Oh, sorry. I think I've mistaken him with Nietzsche.

As for Max Born, it seems that he was of Jewish descent, wasn't he?

Anyway, I believe some of you may be misinformed, because from what I've googled, there is, for example, a Max Born Square in Wrocław alright (Google Maps, Wikipedia).

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Don’t you think dear Polish patriots that if East Prussia wouldn’t have been in its character a German land in 1918 it had rested a part of Germany?
Well, East Prussia certainly hadn't been an ethnic German land, but undoubtedly acquired much of Germanic character during the Teutonic and then Prussian rule.

Similarily, the Vilnius/Wilno Region hadn't been an ethnic Polish land, but became so starting from 17-18th c. As for Western Ukraine and the lands around Lviv/Lwów, their ethnic Polish roots (Lendians tribe) can be considered with more certainty, as opposed to Vilnius. Those lands were therefore set to be part of Poland after 1918.

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Some of you guys are genuinely mental. You've managed to turn a perfectly innocent and interesting thread into another "Poland strong!!!" pissfest for no reason whatsoever...
It's called 'snowball effect', from one comment to another, you know yourself...



But isn't it entertaining for you, no?

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Doesn't make any sense. Why would we even be searching for something which we have never lost.
Oh really?

As I said before, the elites of GDL, which was a multi-culti state with Ruthenian majority, had chosen to polonise on their own, as they considered Polish language & culture as more prestigeous.

Until 19th c. Lithuanian had been mainly a verbal language of the peasantry in lovely Samogitian woods and swamps.

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Does every picture of Poland have to be with rainbows and children laughing and flowers blooming and all that...?
I don't care about the quality of pictures. If the foreigners don't attempt to touch our Holy Poland, everything will be fine, comprende?

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Someone, please erase this all offtopic.
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Old August 26th, 2012, 11:25 AM   #95
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Oh no. Let the voice of the public be heard, as censorship may not be the best idea for resolving this kind of controversial topic.
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As for Max Born, it seems that he was of Jewish descent, wasn't he?
Yes he was and what's your prurpose by asking this? Many brilliant Germans were of "jewish descent"

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Well, East Prussia certainly hadn't been an ethnic German land, but undoubtedly acquired Germanic character during the Teutonic and then Prussian rule.
You mix up German and Germanic
The idea, the leitmotiv of Prussia wasn't beeing a Germanic kingdom. That the name came from a baltic folk was clear to everyone.

Prussia was multi-ethnic - and yes - a quite tolerant country for its time. That's why tens of thousands of French protestants settled in Prussia, also in East-Prussia. Austrians, Dutch and Scots immigrated to Prussia and all became loyal and very often patriotic Prussian citizens, in East Prussia together with Lithuanians in the North and Masurians in the South.

A famous Prussian of French descent was Theodor_Fontane:
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No. My post was ironic... as far as I know there is no Gerhart Hauptmann street in Sklaska Poreba, no Max Born auditorium in Wroclaw and no Arthur Schopenhauer monument in Gdansk. But in Wroclaw I'm always impressed by the plagues who tell me that some Poles spend a night in the city.
Gerhart Hauptmann

- Museum "Dom Gerharta Hauptmanna" in Jelenia Góra
http://www.muzeum-dgh.pl/

- G.Hauptmann street - Słubice
- G. Hauptmann place - Szczawno Zdrój

Max Born
Commemorative plaque - Wrocław
Max Born square - Wrocław
Max Born bust - Wrocław University

Arthur Schopenhauer

A.Schopenhauer street - Gdańsk
A.Schopenhauer plaque - Gdańsk
A.Schopenhauer Park - Gdańsk
A. Schopenhauer bust - Gdańsk University

Streets, parks, schools, monuments named after Fahrenheit, T.Mann, Goethe, Schiller, Beethoven, Luter, Hacken, Adenauer etc.

definition of Ignorance for you

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Old August 26th, 2012, 11:51 AM   #98
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Baltic Tribes around 1200


Source: wikipedia


"Altpreußische Landschaften im 13. Jahrhundert" / Old-Prussian (Baltic Prussian) landscapes (regions) in the 13th century


Source:wikipedia

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No. My post was ironic... as far as I know there is no Gerhart Hauptmann street in Sklaska Poreba, no Max Born auditorium in Wroclaw and no Arthur Schopenhauer monument in Gdansk. But in Wroclaw I'm always impressed by the plagues who tell me that some Poles spend a night in the city.
Gerhart Hauptmann

- Museum "Dom Gerharta Hauptmanna" in Jelenia Góra
http://www.muzeum-dgh.pl/

- G.Hauptmann street - Słubice
- G. Hauptmann place - Szczawno Zdrój

Max Born
Commemorative plaque - Wrocław
Max Born square - Wrocław
Max Born bust - Wrocław University
Max Born annual symposium - Wrocław Univ.

Arthur Schopenhauer

A.Schopenhauer street - Gdańsk
A.Schopenhauer plaque - Gdańsk
A.Schopenhauer Park - Gdańsk
A. Schopenhauer bust - Gdańsk University
A. Schopenhauer tram
Streets, parks, schools, monuments named after Fahrenheit, Uphagen, T.Mann, Goethe, Schiller, Beethoven, Luter, Hacken, Adenauer etc.

definition of Ignorance for you

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignorance

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Old August 26th, 2012, 11:55 AM   #100
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Yes he was and what's your prurpose by asking this? Many brilliant Germans were of "jewish descent"

Prussia was multi-ethnic - and yes - a quite tolerant country for its time. That is why tens of thousands French protestants settled in Prussia, also in East-Prussia. Austrians, Dutch and Scots immigrated to Prussia and all became loyal and very often patriotic Prussian citizens, in East Prussia together with Lithuanians in the North and Masurians in the South.
Prussians were tolerant... Germanization of land and people of course wasn't obligatory.
Ehh, that's some embarrassing joke has nothing to do with the history of this country and its successors
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