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Old June 12th, 2013, 04:08 PM   #21
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An overview map of the reconstruction area in Frankfurt's old town (orange: reconstructions to come; red: further reconstructions, depending on investor's wanting to reconstruct):

[IMG]http://i51.************/lhah4.jpg[/IMG]
Source: http://www.faz.net/s/RubFAE83B7DDEFD...~Scontent.html



Interactive map with images and design concepts: http://www.faz.net/aktuell/rhein-mai...t-1610439.html
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Some of the "new" designs for old town houses (incl. architect's names; some of these concepts are a little dated):

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Bernd Albers








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dreibund Architekten








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Van den Valentyn








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Walter Arno Noebel







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Francesco Colloti Architetto










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und hier das "stadthaus":














Source:
http://www.baunetz.de/
http://www.domroemer.de/
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Aerial of Frankfurt's levelled old town in 1945:


From: http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index...own_aerial.JPG
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Old June 12th, 2013, 04:16 PM   #24
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Frankfurt before 1944:

Aerial view of Frankfurt's old town ca. 1940...
[IMG]http://i48.************/2hftf9v.jpg[/IMG]
Quelle: bildindex.de (Großartige Seite, Vorkriegsansichten von nahezu allen deutschen Orten. Unbedingt mal stöbern!)
Dort auch die Vollbildansicht.

Aerial view with the Cathedral (Imperial "Dom"), Pauls Church, Braubach street etc. (ca. 1940)
[IMG]http://i45.************/28mg5g9.jpg[/IMG]
Quelle: bildindex.de - Vollbildansicht


Historical view of Vogelschauplan / Town plan of Matthäus Merian - anno 1628:
[IMG]http://i48.************/2960uus.png[/IMG]
Quelle: Wiki - Dort auch in (Extra)Groß

Merianplan of 1628 - Untermainkai with gothic Rententurm and Saalbau, Römerberg with Nikolaikirche, medieval fortifications, Alte Brücke with towers.

Quelle: Wiki - Vollbildansicht
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Old June 12th, 2013, 04:18 PM   #25
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Frankfurt featured Europe's most important timbered old town.


(I'll leave my German comments here for now, from the Frankfurt old town construction thread at the German forum)

Frankfurter Altstadt in 2007 - for comparison (the ugly concrete modernist monster is what vanished to make way for a partial old town reconstruction)

Quelle: Wiki - Vollbildansicht


Der Bildvergleich: Urbane Altstadtdichte anno 1911, während großflächer Umbaumaßnahmen in der Altstadt (Durchbruch der Braubachstraße, Abriss Domhäuser, Neubau von der Altstadt angepassten Gründerzeitbauten)

Quelle: Wiki - Vollbildansicht


Mainufer anno 1942 (Brücke im Vordergrund: Eiserner Steg, bereits simplifiziert)
[IMG]http://i50.************/156daqb.jpg[/IMG]
Quelle: Universität Marburg - Vollbildansicht

Mainufer anno 1900 - Photochrimprint (links Eiserner Steg, Rententurm, dann der Saalhof, klassizistische und barocke Bürgerhäuser, Kaiserdom)

Quelle: Wiki - Vollbildansicht
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Colored view of the devastation in Frankfurt's thousand year old core, 1945.

[IMG]http://i50.************/2cokf9w.jpg[/IMG]
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Old June 12th, 2013, 04:21 PM   #27
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A historical old town model called "Treuner-Modell", started in 1926:

Altstadtmodelle von Frankfurt


Treuners Altstadtmodell - Detailliertes Modell der Brüder Hermann und Robert Treuner, das von 1926 bis 1955 erstellt wurde. Zu sehen im Historischen Museum Frankfurt. Es stellt den kern der Frankfurter Altstadt dar. Sehr detailgetreu!

Überblick - Westseite

Quelle: Wiki

Überblick - Ostseite

Quelle: Wiki

Detailansicht - Ostseite

Quelle: Wiki

Überblick - Südseite

Quelle: Wiki

Detailansicht - Südseite (Haus Schöne Aussicht 16)

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Trümmermodell - Modell, das die Frankfurter Altstadt nach den alliierten Bombardierungen 1944 zeigt. Es basiert auf dem Treuner-Modell. Leider übertreibt es hinsichtlich des Zerstörungsgrades etwas (Vergleich mit Zerstörungsansichten weiter oben)..

Römerberg, Mainufer und Dom im Trümmermodell

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Rathaus Römer im Trümmermodell

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Old June 12th, 2013, 04:22 PM   #28
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There also is a continously growing 3D model done by hobbyist Jörg Ott.


Das Virtuelle Altstadtmodell Frankfurt am Main von Jörg Ott!

Inzwischen hat der gute Mann nahezu den kompletten Kernbereich der Altstadt digital nachgebaut. Alles in 3D begehbar. Maßstäbe, Grundrisse, Farben etc. sollen größtenteils mit der Realität übereinstimmen. Offenbar liegt aber nicht bei allen Bauten der unmittelbare Vorkriegszustand zu Grunde (einige Bauten waren da nämlich bereits fachwerksichtig und nicht mehr verputzt / verschiefert).
Definitiv aber ein fantastisches Modell, das unsere Anerkennung verdient


Quelle: Wiki
"Blick von der Fahrgasse nach Westen in die Kannengiessergasse in der Frankfurter Altstadt, Zustand 1944."
Bild aus dem virtuellen Frankfurter Altstadtmodell von Jörg Ott. Die sich entlang der Kannengiessergasse auf Parzellen von mittelalterlicher Grösse drängenden Fachwerkhäuser mit dem dahinter aufragenden Domturm vermittelten bis zu ihrer völligen Zerstörung im Bombenkrieg einen fast unverfälschten Eindruck des alten Frankfurt.



Quelle: Wiki
"Frankfurt am Main: Westseite des Kornmarkt mit Deutsch-reformierter Kirche und dem Geburtshaus von Lili Schönemann (ganz links), nach Norden gesehen"


Quelle: Wiki
"Großer Kornmarkt von Höhe der nördlichen Kreuzung mit der Weißadler- und der Großen Sandgasse, nach Süden gesehen"


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"Blick auf Dachlandschaft und Hinterhof des Hauses Lichtenstein am Römerberg in der Frankfurter Altstadt, Zustand 1944."


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"Roseneck an der Ecke Grosse Fischergasse / Garküchenplatz in der Frankfurter Altstadt, Zustand 1944.
Bild aus dem virtuellen Frankfurter Altstadtmodell von Jörg Ott. Die pitoreske, vermutlich aus einem ehemaligen Löherhof hervorgegangene Häusergruppe war eine der beliebtesten Alt-Frankfurter Ansichten vor ihrer Zerstörung im Bombenkrieg."



Anlässlich des geplanten Neubaus des Historischen Museums (es droht Ungemach!) erstellte Luftansicht des Saalhofes, Rententurm und der Nikolaikirche samt Umgebung am ehemaligen Fahrtor

Quelle: Wiki
"Virtuelles Altstadtmodell Frankfurt am Main: Luftbild des Saalhofs und der umgebenden Bebauung, Zustand 1944."



Dieses Panorama vom Mainufer ist auch beachtenswert. Ansonsten ist die komplette Schau im Wiki-Artikel verlinkt.
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Behind the Bartholomäus-Dom, Frankfurt's Cathedral, 1945:


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These will hopefully come back one day too (right next to Frankfurt's City Hall, the Römer) - but aren't included in the current project:

Haus Frauenstein und Salzhaus neben dem Römer

Quelle: Wiki - Vollbildansicht

Beides sicher primäre Rekonstruktionskandidaten.
Um 1900 von der Braubachstraße gesehen, rechts das Neue Rathaus (Römeranbau) mit dem unverstümmelten Rathausturm, genannt Langer Franz

Quelle: Wiki

Haus zur Goldenen Waage, wird definitiv rekonstruiert

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Großstädtischer war keine mittelalterliche Altstadt!

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More historical views of the old town:


In der Bendergasse

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Teilweise wiederhergestellte Fachwerk-Urbanität: "Schwarzer Stern" am Eingang der Bendergasse

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Gleich um die Ecke, mittelalterliche Großstadtbauten: Die Scharnhäuser mit der Fassade zur Saalgasse

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Altes und Neues Rotes Haus nahe Hühnermarkt

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This will be reconstructed:

Der Hühnermarkt

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One last comparison for now - before and after destruction during WW2:


1942, the area under and left to the Cathedral is to be reconstructed...

http://www.altfrankfurt.com/Roemerbe...emerberg17.jpg

1949...

http://www.altfrankfurt.com/spezial/...rg_Dom1949.jpg
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A historical old town model called "Treuner-Modell", started in 1926:
With this kind of source material it's unbelievable reconstructions haven't started earlier!
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Old June 12th, 2013, 06:13 PM   #34
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Are these German reconstruction projects popular among the politicians, architects and the antiquarians? Or have it been met with huge protests from them (like what would have happened here in Norway)?
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Altstadt Frankfurt auf Facebook und Twitter:

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Altst...53668871349626

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Altst...432387?fref=ts

https://twitter.com/ffmaltstadt
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This is a very ambitious and complex development project. Quite exciting. What is the proposed time frame?

I have never visited Frankfurt but I am well aware of its financial and economic significance - for Germany and for the world. I assume many post-war structures had to be dismantled. This is the center of a metropolis.
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Frankfurt before 1944:

Aerial view of Frankfurt's old town ca. 1940...
[IMG]http://i48.************/2hftf9v.jpg[/IMG]
Quelle: bildindex.de (Großartige Seite, Vorkriegsansichten von nahezu allen deutschen Orten. Unbedingt mal stöbern!)
Dort auch die Vollbildansicht.

[IMG]http://i45.************/28mg5g9.jpg[/IMG]
Quelle: bildindex.de - Vollbildansicht
The whole area between the Romermarkt and the Frankfurter Dom (The preserved medieval stretch until the ww2 bombing of the city) should be authentically reconstructed (like in the case of the Warsaw Old town).
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Great presentation Erbse! Appreciate the visuals and commentaries. The Frankfurters are extremely fortunate to have such planning moving forward.
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Are these German reconstruction projects popular among the politicians, architects and the antiquarians? Or have it been met with huge protests from them (like what would have happened here in Norway)?

Actually the city planned to bulit a modern building in the very same place. The initiative to rebuilt the old city center was lauchned as in Dresden by a citizens movement which gained very quickly support amongst the town inhabitans and finally also in the political partys. The urban planning authority organized severel planing workshops events in which citizens played a major and active role in the decission making about the area. The city planning authority than approved the final plan by this workshop.
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Are these German reconstruction projects popular among the politicians, architects and the antiquarians? Or have it been met with huge protests from them (like what would have happened here in Norway)?
As I know, mostly yes, and also by young people seeing it as sign of again-rising power of their country in Europe. Germany had most cultural loses in Europe, mostly by air raids. The most-controversal reconstruction project started now in may 13 - Imperial palace of Germany in Berlin. (see Stadstchloss/Humboldtforum)
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