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Old September 8th, 2013, 10:55 AM   #41
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revised designs for the not reconstructed buildings now at the project's web site (click).

Plans for the Braubachstraße are really good. But still very ugly plans for the Krönungsweg (coronation way), at least along its western part. Especially Markt 7, Markt 30-34 and Markt 36 (also look at the interactive map and graphics here).
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Old September 8th, 2013, 05:43 PM   #42
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That very slim building in the colour best described as "dirty-brown" might become instaneously one of the ugliest buildings of the city once constructed. Still, the project is great and most of the rest looks at least decent or even great.
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Old November 7th, 2013, 11:03 PM   #43
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Almost forgot about this thread. But it's a very memorable and certainly important project, so here we go!

Aerial of the current construction site in Frankfurt's old town:
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Old January 30th, 2014, 06:40 PM   #44
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Let's see how this turns out.
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There's nothing new in Frankfurt old town reconstruction?
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Old April 10th, 2014, 09:52 AM   #46
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Ah well, there still isn't too much going on, mostly excavation/foundations/the parking garage.

But here we go, the hollow concrete Stadthaus popped up already, at least some part of it. Hooray!


http://www.domroemer.de/webcams

It's a part of this one to the left here, perhaps the least favourable part of the development:

http://www.domroemer.de/das-stadthaus-am-markt

Older aerial view of the Frankfurt Dom-Römer old town area:

http://www.domroemer.de/downloads
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It's a part of this one to the left here, perhaps the least favourable part of the development
IMHO such modern buildings, which maintain shape of narrow old-town rent houses, are very good examples of "architecture of the background". They are also needed in reconstructed town.
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I don't think they're needed. Well-kept old towns don't seem to need them at all - take Amsterdam, Venice, Rome, Florence, Prague, Regensburg, Quito, or whatever you like.

The Stadthaus could be okay if it'd use the red Main sandstone all over. The gray parts though totally ruin it:


http://www.domroemer.de/das-stadthaus-am-markt

Seriously, why would anyone think that's inevitably needed there? Why? To uglify the place? I don't get it.
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Anyway, we've got some fresh aerial views taken from the Frankfurter Dom (Cathedral) today:
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I don't think they're needed. Well-kept old towns don't seem to need them at all - take Amsterdam, Venice, Rome, Florence, Prague, Regensburg, Quito, or whatever you like.
That's absolutely right, but Frankfurt a. M. is not well-kept old town

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The Stadthaus could be okay if it'd use the red Main sandstone all over. The gray parts though totally ruin it:
Grey? I had in mind those light-pink rent-houses.


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Seriously, why would anyone think that's inevitably needed there? Why? To uglify the place? I don't get it.
It depends what used to be on the spot previously. Landmarks should be definitely reconstructed, especially in such old towns like Frankfurt. But "infills" might be IMHO in the style, which is re-definition of historical buildings. Anyway, it's clearly visible, that these houses aren't modern: they strictly repeat patterns of medieval town-houses built in narrow plots of land.
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IMHO such modern buildings, which maintain shape of narrow old-town rent houses, are very good examples of "architecture of the background". They are also needed in reconstructed town.
Agreed. They look really smart.
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Anyway, it's clearly visible, that these houses aren't modern: they strictly repeat patterns of medieval town-houses built in narrow plots of land.
why would you want a building that looks like a poor medieval peasant house?

imho, a historic city centre should display artistic expression, wealth, and culture. there's nothing wrong with a few modernist houses fit in there, but a handful of drab brick and concrete blocks with zero ornamentation hardly belongs.

i fail to see how your logic here; the 70s modernist municipal building that they demolished has more character and aesthetic value than that house.
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I dont understand why is too diffucult to build few houses in old style?
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Damn! There's only one house in that entire image that belongs in a properly reconstructed "old town".

Lame. Very, very lame
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It's not too late though. While the Stadthaus is almost there, the modernist buildings in the alley to the right might get a redesign or even magically turn into reconstructions.

There's this initiative that collected enough support already to get a civil election paper aboard:

www.altstadt-retten.de
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It's not too late though. While the Stadthaus is almost there, the modernist buildings in the alley to the right might get a redesign or even magically turn into reconstructions.
Good idea to re-design, but this is hardly modernism.
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What else? Modernists themselve tend to call it "critical regionalism",
but I can't see how it differs considerably from their own ideologies.
In any case, it's mediocre architecture. Reconstructions would be far better.




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What else? Modernists themselve tend to call it "critical regionalism"
Post-modernism, post-historism, neo-historism, modernist-historism, retroversion, neo-rent house. Certainly not "modernism full stop" That is modernism, very good, btw:


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In any case, it's mediocre architecture. Reconstructions would be far better.
Definitely. As I said, everything depends on what stood here previously. If there were buildings worth to be rebuilt, the faithful reconstruction is the best idea.
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I think that is no matter what stood here previously, it is matter what here belong. Why must be reconstruction, may be only few houses in old style that belongs in that place with all rest sorounding buildings (historical churches, houses...).
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