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Old April 13th, 2014, 11:45 PM   #81
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Done! ;D
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Old April 14th, 2014, 12:52 AM   #82
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your review for kaisa is the same for henderson, you must have missed it.
Where? Can't see it

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for me greenland is number one, with the amount of projects they put out it is deemed that a few fail and to evergrande i just say: http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/g...ps4ccf1854.jpg
Greenland is my fav too, but keep on mind I'm just trying to figure out how much should we trust these developers as they keep releasing stuff. Greenland might have brilliant projects, but as you can see we shouldn't expect everyone to be done...
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Hi zOrg.

Amazing work.

I think you should make a link for "Reliability for China's supertall developers" on page one beneath the update link.

Kind of depressing that it might as well could be called UNrealiability...
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That was a very detailed list. Good work z0rg!
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Where? Can't see it
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kaisa properties and hendersen do say exactly the same thing as in "Henderson hasn't started neither of its two supertalls"
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Old April 19th, 2014, 05:37 AM   #86
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Fixed! Also I added Yingli.
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Back to the index, remember I only try to expose the reliability of these companies to accomplis their supertall promises. Their acutual economic health, the quality of the projects, etc, is totally out of this "study".

If you think the overall scoring is too low, keep on mind that I made it in a way that they can't get a high score till the supertalls are actually u/c. Since so many projects are recent, a high score is simply unfeasible. That way, newcomers start as "UNCERTAIN", and they progress towards "EXCELLENT" as their proposals become real stuff.

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1) Only 1 out of the top 5 is a Mainland company (Kingkey). Another 3 are from Hong Kong (CTF, Wharf, Hang Lung), and another is Filipino (Eton). Therefore, overseas developers are still the top performers as Mainland ones are mostly newcomers. Also, this shows that the typical headline about "China" building facade projects is pure bullshit since sooo many of the main projects aren't even developed by mainlanders.

2) Only 2 net SOE companies: COFCO and CITIC. The former hasn't even started any supertall.

3) Mainland China's real estate titans aren't too interested in supertalls. We don't see Vanke, Contry Garden, etc. They barely have a couple of 200m+ on going. Only Greenland (very devoted to supertalls) and Evergrande (total disappointment) are here. The later isn't taking its supertall adventure too serious at all.
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China Mainland main real esate companies in 2013:

1) Vanke (Shenzhen), Sales in 2013: 174.06 billion yuan (US$28.7 billion). Turnover area in 2013: 15.17 million square meters.
2) Greenland (Shanghai), Sales in 2013: 162.53 billion yuan (US$26.8 billion). Turnover area in 2013: 16.6 million square meters
3) Wanda (Beijing), Sales in 2013: 130.11 billion yuan (US$21.45 billion). Turnover area in 2013: 10.59 million square meters
4) Poly (Guangzhou), Sales in 2013: 125.1 billion yuan (US$20.63 billion). Turnover area in 2013: 10.81 million square meters
5) China Overseas (Shenzhen), Sales in 2013: 117 billion yuan (US$19.29 billion). Turnover area in 2013: 9.92 million square meters
6) Country Garden (Foshan), Sales in 2013: 109.73 billion yuan (US$18.09 billion). Turnover area in 2013: 16.52 million square meters
7) Evergrande (Guangzhou), Sales in 2013: 108.25 billion yuan (US$17.85 billion). Turnover area in 2013: 16.05 million square meters
8) China Resources (Hong Kong), Sales in 2013: 68.1 billion yuan (US$11.23 billion). Turnover area in 2013: 5.89 million square meters
9) Shimao (Shanghai), Sales in 2013: 67.07 billion yuan (US$11.06 billion). Turnover area in 2013: 5.58 million square meters
10) Greentown (Shanghai), Sales in 2013: 55.38 billion yuan (US$9.13 billion). Turnover area in 2013: 2.82 million square meters

http://www.china.org.cn/top10/2014-0...t_31470817.htm
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Back in 2008, well fed journalists and "analysts" published that Beijng had built offices beyond what it could digest in decades, leading to an office real estate crunch and blabla. The local gov aimed to cool down office construction for a while.

6 years later:

Beijing office shortage fuels high rents

Rising demand and limited supply have doubled office rents in the Chinese capital since 2008, making its Finance Street the world’s third-most expensive behind Hong Kong’s Central and London’s West End, according to real estate broker CBRE Group Inc. The cost of renting offices in Beijing is set to rise further as only half the average annual supply over the past decade is projected to be added in the next three years.

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Corporations have rented an average 590,000 square meters (6,350,700 square feet) a year in Beijing since the Olympics, more than double the 240,000 square meters (2,583,300 square feet) of new workspace added in the period, according to CBRE.

Read more: http://finance-commerce.com/2014/04/...#ixzz2zIdhSapf
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A large complex designed by Atkins and developed by the Shengjing Bank is on the way in Shenyang, located a few blocks westwards from Forum 66 project.
http://news.house365.com/gbk/syestat...24814_all.html

The magnitude of this development remains unknown, but unsourced rumours claim it'll be composed by 3x90 floor towers. We'll see.
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China Mainland main real esate companies in 2013:

1) Vanke (Shenzhen), Sales in 2013: 174.06 billion yuan (US$28.7 billion). Turnover area in 2013: 15.17 million square meters.
2) Greenland (Shanghai), Sales in 2013: 162.53 billion yuan (US$26.8 billion). Turnover area in 2013: 16.6 million square meters
3) Wanda (Beijing), Sales in 2013: 130.11 billion yuan (US$21.45 billion). Turnover area in 2013: 10.59 million square meters
4) Poly (Guangzhou), Sales in 2013: 125.1 billion yuan (US$20.63 billion). Turnover area in 2013: 10.81 million square meters
5) China Overseas (Shenzhen), Sales in 2013: 117 billion yuan (US$19.29 billion). Turnover area in 2013: 9.92 million square meters
6) Country Garden (Foshan), Sales in 2013: 109.73 billion yuan (US$18.09 billion). Turnover area in 2013: 16.52 million square meters
7) Evergrande (Guangzhou), Sales in 2013: 108.25 billion yuan (US$17.85 billion). Turnover area in 2013: 16.05 million square meters
8) China Resources (Hong Kong), Sales in 2013: 68.1 billion yuan (US$11.23 billion). Turnover area in 2013: 5.89 million square meters
9) Shimao (Shanghai), Sales in 2013: 67.07 billion yuan (US$11.06 billion). Turnover area in 2013: 5.58 million square meters
10) Greentown (Shanghai), Sales in 2013: 55.38 billion yuan (US$9.13 billion). Turnover area in 2013: 2.82 million square meters

http://www.china.org.cn/top10/2014-0...t_31470817.htm
I clicked on the link and it says that Greentown's headquarter is in Hangzhou, Zhejiang. Is it true?
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As an editor in SSP, i do have the availability to see the latest added buildings to the database. i was wondering how often we get a new proposed supertall in china. So i looked thru the list of last added buildings and counted all the 300m+ buildings since 14th april which is the last available date in the list of latest additions. To note is, that all these buildings were added by me and i always added them on the same day a thread was created here about that building, so this list also shows how often threads for chinese supertalls get opened in this forum. this is the result:



orange=300m-399m
red=400m-499m
dark red=500m+

to note: there was only one additional supertall building added which was not in china, but in malaysia in the whole month + one week.
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i know it is long term, but shouldn't we still open a thread for JH0309020 in Wuhan? i mean it is a megatall and we do have concept renders, we also know that it will be the main tower of a CBD that has already started, that should be enough to be thread worthy, shouldn't it?
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Too long term imo. Unlike other megatall threads, we haven't seen any specific press release about this plot for ages. The problem of Wiangjiadun is that it's being developed by a single developer, so building the whole cluster may take forever.
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They have opened several supertall threads for Shenzhen in the last weeks in Gaoloumi. As usual, they are mostly unsourced and/or based in unconfirmed stuff, therefore as a reliable forum we can't open threads for them till we have some solid info.

Even so they deserve to be commented here.

They are as follows:

1) Yuanling Street (North Futian) project. 6 towers:
1x76 floors, offices.
2x75 floors, residential.
2x68 floors, residential.
1x60 floors, offices.

2) CITIC project at Shenwan masterplan. 300m~.

3) Vanke project at Liuxiandong area. 300m~.
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2) I love CITIC, and i love the fact that Shenwan gets more serious projects instead of only concepts.

3) Vanke is slow with its supertall, but seems to be doing well with its side towers and the supertall being second phase, so a second supertall from this developer seems cool.
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They have opened several supertall threads for Shenzhen in the last weeks in Gaoloumi. As usual, they are mostly unsourced and/or based in unconfirmed stuff, therefore as a reliable forum we can't open threads for them till we have some solid info.

Even so they deserve to be commented here.

They are as follows:

1) Yuanling Street (North Futian) project. 6 towers:
1x76 floors, offices.
2x75 floors, residential.
2x68 floors, residential.
1x60 floors, offices.

2) CITIC project at Shenwan masterplan. 300m~.

3) Vanke project at Liuxiandong area. 300m~.
Could the Vanke project be the main towers of the Liuxiandong project then? + If so, this project looks like we could change the status to site preperation on one of the pictures in the gauloumi thread
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LXD1 by Dalianon, on Flickr
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Another upcoming project for Shenzhen. The yellow shape is Hon Kwok Tower (329m), meaning that the new development would be composed by 1x600m~, 1x350m~ and 3x250m~.



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More than amazing news, hon kwok can really use some other towers, it is a great supporting tower, but now is quite alone. Two new supertalls + supporting towers with one being over 600m would make a heck of a cluster. Hopefully we will get a great developer on board as well.
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