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Old September 13th, 2015, 10:58 PM   #41
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I understand the comparison with Brooklyn but I don't think it comes across the way it's intended, especially in relation to the initial question that sparked this discussion.

New York and Tokyo are 2 different cities with 2 different urban fabrics & urban layouts. New York got a different kind of density then New York.

For high rises it's the compactness of New York high rise districts which made it go higher and higher. In Tokyo, with already had several clear urban centers within the larger central areas, there were more location that saw construction of towers. Making the skyline less compact, reducing the need to go taller and taller.

And because the city has several central areas, there are also more noticeable low rise areas with small houses between these centers. You also got those areas in New York, but as the city has a more traditional urban fabric you see those mainly further away from central New York.
also seoul had several clear urban centers with the city.
bytheway i like japan's city's normal residence area.
very cozy and clean. i really like that
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Old September 16th, 2015, 07:55 AM   #42
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日本一の高層ビル、ウォッチャーはこう見る
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東京駅前の高さ日本一ビル、都市インフラ再整備にも貢献
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三菱地所、JR東京駅前に高さ390mの日本一高いビルを建設へ
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Old October 12th, 2015, 11:20 PM   #43
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Maybe because Tokyo is located in a seismic zone ? This massive new tower can face it !
So is much of China (and Taiwan), which is no stranger to earthquakes and supertalls. It only takes one major earthquake to trigger catastrophe. Yes, Japan can face it to the point that you're safer in a skyscraper than on the ground.

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I understand the comparison with Brooklyn but I don't think it comes across the way it's intended, especially in relation to the initial question that sparked this discussion.

New York and Tokyo are 2 different cities with 2 different urban fabrics & urban layouts. New York got a different kind of density then New York.

For high rises it's the compactness of New York high rise districts which made it go higher and higher. In Tokyo, with already had several clear urban centers within the larger central areas, there were more location that saw construction of towers. Making the skyline less compact, reducing the need to go taller and taller.

And because the city has several central areas, there are also more noticeable low rise areas with small houses between these centers. You also got those areas in New York, but as the city has a more traditional urban fabric you see those mainly further away from central New York.
What initial question? I was debunking a myth referring to the aggregate density from a strictly quantitative point of view. Of course it doesn't take into account the fact New York City's density would be skewed taking Manhattan into consideration, comparatively Tokyo's by all the high-rise Manhattan-density development amongst Brooklyn and Queens-density mid-rise condos/apartments and single-family homes respectively. London is certainly more like Tokyo based on urban fabric and a polycentric layout dominated by railroads, but single-family homes are almost absent in the central areas of the city, even more than NYC. Qualitatively-speaking about diverse housing types within the central city, Los Angeles is more comparable than either and certainly has the sprawl. The urban fabric is however the complete polar opposite of the principal world cities.

What are you referring to as "central" NY? If it's Downtown and Midtown on Manhattan, then yes. It's all about compactness, because as an island with some of the most valuable real estate in the world, building tall is a necessity. Even so, the fairly recent debunking of the bedrock theory has warranted the construction of more tall buildings in between these areas and on Long Island. Ultimately, this has made NYC even more polycentric as Downtown Brooklyn and other centers are becoming more significant. Keep in mind Brooklyn used to be a separate city which developed on its own right, like many former Kanto municipalities which merged with Tokyo City and later Metropolis.

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As for the suggestion that Tokyo is like Brooklyn, as someone who knows Tokyo well, it's nonsense. The tokubetsu-ku (23 wards) have a diversity that's hard to quantify - from tightly built office buildings to suburban apartments and houses. Re New York, a city I also know and love, is the OP talking about the Financial District, Midtown, the Lower East Side, Chelsea, or Greenwich Village? Moreover unlike Gotham, Tokyo has a large number of 'downtowns' - take your pick - Ueno, Marunouchi, Shibuya, Shinjuku, Ikebukoro, Shinagawa, Ginza etc.
As someone who knows NYC and Tokyo well, none of those neighborhoods you mention are in Brooklyn. Also, you seems to be classifying Tokyo wards with districts. It's like saying Canary Wharf and Camden are both "downtowns" in London, with the former being very specific and accurate and latter broad.
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Old October 15th, 2015, 01:35 AM   #44
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Old October 16th, 2015, 10:26 AM   #45
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@RegentHouse,

What's interesting is that in Tokyo the low rise area's with single family homes around the central core are actually the densest neighborhoods in terms of population density. That is the main difference with a New York or even London, when c.

What I would argue is that Tokyo has a completely different kind of extreme density then a New York. In Tokyo it's not so much about the big buildings, but much more about an extreme density in usage. In a sense some of the central neighbors are a compacted version of New York. The buildings are smaller, but you see more shops, bars and restaurants between small offices. We also see the construction of more and more houses in central Tokyo, both in high rise apartments and low rise apartment buildings.

This kind of density is were Tokyo clearly stands out from the other "old" mega cities.
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Old October 16th, 2015, 11:50 PM   #46
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Many areas of Tokyo have maintained the same low-rise high-density character for centuries, even after being destroyed by natural and wartime causes, because of greater constraints on eminent domain than its counterparts, which have consistently abused it because the comparable areas "were in the way." With the 2011 Tohoku earthquake and tsunami facilitating plans to fireproof said areas by building wide roads through them, it'll be interesting to see the changes. After all, constructing a tower this tall a generation ago in Tokyo would have been considered blasphemy.

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Old October 20th, 2015, 05:02 AM   #47
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Old October 29th, 2015, 03:32 AM   #48
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It's awesome news that Tokyo maybe gettting a Super tall finally. However with a scheduled completion date of 2028 for Building B, it's completely unknown what demand will be like for such a project in a post Olympics Tokyo.
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Construction notice signs have been put up on sign, no new information though.







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Yaaaaasssss! Wow, am I reading it correctly that the land area for Tower B is 13,200 sqm? Massive!
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Old September 2nd, 2016, 06:35 AM   #52
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Yaaaaasssss! Wow, am I reading it correctly that the land area for Tower B is 13,200 sqm? Massive!
And the area of the base is almost as big as the footprint of the tower, as you can see from the renders, it's indeed a massive tower.


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That is insane! I think they can fit three 1WTCs in there.
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I've been in the area, and I still can't wrap my mind around how huge this building will be.
The render desperately needs a silhouette of the Empire State Building or the Eiffel Tower beside it just so that you can visualize the sense of scale.
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Old October 23rd, 2016, 04:27 PM   #55
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Demolition status


The buildings on the location for Building D, the first part of the project that will go U/C next year, are still being covered with scaffolding. It's not going that fast. But work on stripping of the interior = carpeting, installations and such, should already be going on in full swing.








The tallest tower in the block, the Asahi Seimei Otemachi Building (119m) will most likely be the last one to be demolished. Probably after the 2020 Olympics as the 390m main tower will only go U/C in 2023.




The demolition of the Former JX Building (84m) has started this month.




The demolition of the Daiwa Gofukubashi Building, with it's green facade should also start in the near future. This is where the 230m tall Building A will go U/C in 2018.



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Holy mother... It looks really short in the render but that's because it's freakishly wide? It's gonna be one of the most impressive man-made structures on the planet if it's done that way.
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Wait Godzilla actually exist in Japan.Who knew!
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Ha I saw that movie last night and noticed it too. She won't be the prettiest supertall around, that's for sure, but she'll have an imposing presence.
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