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Old June 28th, 2007, 11:08 PM   #101
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So now the traffic is running on the new half (to be able to rebuild the old half), or both sides are open for traffic, so one side of the motorway is crappy?
Both sides are open for traffic, eastband roadway is in projecting phase and planned for construction next year.
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Old June 28th, 2007, 11:17 PM   #102
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@ Verso
As of now, both sides are open for traffic, one side is: "a highway to heaven", and the other is "a highway to hell"


But the afterhitler part is being prepared for rebuilding, right now it is in projecting stage.


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Old June 28th, 2007, 11:23 PM   #103
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http://images1.fotosik.pl/256/c9eacf59a10f2fcb.jpg

He lol, i saw these selling points too... I assume they will disappear when the A18 is completed. As far as i remember the old DK18 wasn't as bad as the old A4.
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Old June 28th, 2007, 11:34 PM   #104
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I assume they will disappear when the A18 is completed..
Most certainly they will do, unless they have already buggered off
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Old June 28th, 2007, 11:35 PM   #105
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Of course they will have to move, for the A-18, after completed, will gain rank of a motorway and no such crap will be allowed, but I suspect, they will move to rest area.

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Old June 29th, 2007, 12:03 AM   #106
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... but I suspect, they will move to rest area..
After completion, a new A18 motorway will be fenced and no illegal business ventures will be permited as a result.
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Old June 29th, 2007, 12:13 AM   #107
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As of now, both sides are open for traffic, one side is: "a highway to heaven", and the other is "a highway to hell"


But the afterhitler part is being prepared for rebuilding, right now it is in projecting stage.


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So what's the speed limit on the... Hitler section? I can't imagine driving 130 km/h there. :S
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Old June 29th, 2007, 12:17 AM   #108
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@ Verso, you have to drive as fast as possible, that way you don't feel every bump. And you are faster over this bad road.

Ofcourse, this approach is not very good for your suspension
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Old June 29th, 2007, 12:23 AM   #109
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So what's the speed limit on the... Hitler section? I can't imagine driving 130 km/h there. :S
90 km/h - formally it's still ranked as a dual-carriageway.
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Old June 29th, 2007, 10:04 AM   #110
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You forgot, that a distance between highways (A) junctions must be at least 3.5km.
In Poland we have:
- Highways (A)
There must have at least double level junctions, 2.5m side-space; required a distance between junctions: 3.5km; is required to build barriers between roads.
- Expressways (S)
a) 2-roads
b) 1-roads
There must have at least double level junctions; 1.0m side-space; a distance between junctions is undefined; is required to build barriers between roads.
- Mainroads (DK)
a) 2-roads
b) 1-roads
There mustn't have at least double level junctions; without side-space; a distance between junctions is undefined; isn't required to build barriers between roads.
- other roads
Right Sławek, I forgot about distances between junctions/interchanges on higways and expressways. Unfortunately you have mentioned wrong distances. Correct distances between junctions/interchanges in Poland are:
- highways (A):
a) non urban area - 15000 m, exceptionally 5000 m,
b) urban area - 5000 m, exceptionally 3000 m,
- expressways (S):
a) non urban area - 5000 m, exceptionally 3000 m,
b) urban area - 3000 m, exceptionally 1500 m,
- main roads of accelerated traffic (GP):
a) non urban area - 2000 m, exceptionally 1000 m,
b) urban area - 1000 m, exceptionally 600 m,
- main roads (G):
a) non urban area - 800 m, exceptionally 600 m,
b) urban area - 500 m, exceptionally 400 m

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That sounds kind of a stupid requirement! If so, you can rename almost all of the Dutch motorway network!
How are you gonna do that in urban areas like Warszawa or Silesia?
The distances between junctions/interchanges are related to safety rules and sign distances. For example there is a minimal distance between two gantry signs, what is related to velocity and perception of drivers.
Sometimes the distance between two interchanges is shorter than these mentioned above. If the distance is longer than the exceptional distance mentioned above we have to obtain a permission to desing such interchanges. If the distance is shorter than the exceptional distance mentioned above we have to design so called "group of interchanges" or "joint interchange". Group of interchanges looks like, for example interchange of E22 and Jan van Galenstraat, interchange of E22 and S104 (Bos en Lommerweg) and interchange of E22 and N200 (Haarlemmerweg) in Amsterdam. Joint interchange looks like E22/A8/A10/S118 (Verlengde Stellingweg) interchange or E35/A9/Meibergdreef interchange, also in Amsterdam.
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Old July 1st, 2007, 02:04 AM   #111
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Mortorway A-4 under construction
The A4 highway in Poland is a motorway which, when completed, will run from west to east through southern Poland, from the Polish-German border in Zgorzelec (connecting to the German A4 autobahn), through Wroclaw, Katowice, Kraków and Rzeszów to the Polish-Ukrainian border in Korczowa. The highway is a part of the European route E40. At present about 380 km of the highway have been completed, out of the planned total length of 670 km. The section already completed, essentially the western half of the highway, runs continuously from the border with Germany to Kraków, except for a missing section of about 50 km between Boleslawiec and Zgorzelec on german border

Autostrada A4

Photos taken on: 2007 june 20



Exposed aftergerman viaduct. It will be taken apart and in its place a new one will be raised.







The road on the first plane (DK-4) is the one which connects polish-german border crossing with existing A-4. The stretch under construction, will replace that connection


Road service circuit will be placed here




Germany on the most top of the picture


Short existing stretch of hywy A-4 at the border


Germany on the left side of the river - Niese. On the right side of the river - Poland. This short stretch at the border will be rebuilt, it will gain a concrete surface


Autostrada seen from german side. In lower right corner - Germany


Innicial stretch of hywy. On the horizon - Zgorzelec , Goerlitz and Mount Landeskrone. Germany on the right side
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Old July 1st, 2007, 07:12 AM   #112
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Old July 1st, 2007, 01:25 PM   #113
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Very good report! I drove the DK4 once in the evening, traffic was low, but an Autostrada is definatly better.
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Old July 1st, 2007, 02:32 PM   #114
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Very good report! I drove the DK4 once in the evening, traffic was low, but an Autostrada is definatly better.
In the midle of 2009, you will be able to travel by hywy, all the way from german border to Krakow,
and by yr. 2012, you'll able to travel exclusively by hywy, all the way to the ukrainian border.



Here are a few more aerial pictures from construction of the most western part of the A-4:

All pictures taken on: 2007 june 20


Crossing of rail road line running to Germany


Km 32 . Nowa Wieś i Kierżno. Bridge MA 31 over the Kwisa river


On the foreplane - viaduct WD30 in Nowa Wies (New Vilage) over the road # 357.


Nowa Wieś, km 32 View to the east


Bridge Ma 31 on the Kwisa river


Viaduct site WA 33


The site of future animal crossing over the hywy, on migration route


Bridge site MA35 on Kliczkówka creek


Viaduct site WD 36 on forest road Dobra- Osieczów


Viaduct site WA 37 on the road nr 350 Bolesławiec-Osiecznicy


Animals crossing site PZ 38


Viaduct on the road leading to forester quarters - Bukowy Las


KM 40-36 = 40-36 km. from the begining of the A-4, at pol-ger border. View to the west



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Old July 1st, 2007, 03:45 PM   #115
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Where's that website with loads of pix of Polish motorways, neatly settled by numbers (A1, A2...), autostrada.pl or sth like that? I've already tried to find it, but I guess it's gone or?
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Old July 1st, 2007, 03:54 PM   #116
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Where's that website with loads of pix of Polish motorways, neatly settled by numbers (A1, A2...), autostrada.pl or sth like that? I've already tried to find it, but I guess it's gone or?
The site ( http://www.autostrady.com ) is unfortunately no longer on-line, due to private reasons of the Author.

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Old July 1st, 2007, 04:51 PM   #117
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Too bad, it was great!
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Old July 1st, 2007, 05:22 PM   #118
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Yea, we all miss it.


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Old July 1st, 2007, 06:44 PM   #119
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national road DK8 (E67) between CZ-PL border and Kłodzko

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Cool.

But signing a border over 800km away is just madness.
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