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Old August 27th, 2017, 03:22 AM   #1181
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I still don't understand why the station is in Kingston. Is it because they originally built it there when Civic did not exist and they did not want to bother to move it after?
In most cities, train stations are somewhat near the centre or in the centre themselves, look Sydney or Melbourne. Here it is not even in an important hub. What is Kingston? It's not even near any important town centre.
I live in the north side, I've only used it once. Currently it takes less time to go on the bus to Sydney than on the train. Although that's a whole other debate.
Unless you live in a small town on the way, why would you use the train to go to Sydney if it is going to take longer?
Currently there isn't even a direct line to Melbourne. You have to catch a bus to Albury and from there a train to Melbourne. No wonder people fly.
The station's in Kingston because the line to Canberra was built in the early 20th century as a spur from an existing line from Goulburn to Bombala via the eastern side of Lake George, Queanbeyan and Cooma. Griffin's plan was for a polycentric city based on centres (with different purposes) at each of the three points of the Triangle, so Kingston wasn't out of the way, and in any event the line extended to Civic (although there wasn't anything much there) via a causeway across what is now East Basin. The extension washed away in a flood.
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Old August 27th, 2017, 03:36 AM   #1182
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Achieving a reasonably fast service to Sydney will require a new line running for about 80 km between North Canberra and the main Sydney-Melbourne line south of Goulburn (east of Lake George). The airport is pushing for the terminus of this line to be at the airport on the grounds that:
1. this would allow a relatively inexpensive direct connection via the Majura Valley without running through any built up areas
2. Canberra is still a polycentric city with its central activities spread across both sides of the lake (encompassing the parliamentary area, Barton and Russell as well as Civic), with comparatively less of the travel in and out of Canberra to and from the nominal CBD (aka Civic) than would be the case with the case with Sydney, Melbourne and other conventionally structured cities.

While these arguments may be self-serving they do make some sense.
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Old August 28th, 2017, 03:58 AM   #1183
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The airport is the second best option for a station (behind Civic), but if the cost savings of going to the airport rather than Civic are what it takes to get the whole project over the line then I'm happy with that option.
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Old August 28th, 2017, 04:16 AM   #1184
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On a slight different note, the Housing Industry Association (basically the detached-housing lobby group) predicts that multi-unit commencements will fall by a third in the next financial year, while detached housing will grow.

https://www.allhomes.com.au/news/hou...170824-gy3cky/

Strictly speaking their numbers add up but they are just putting a brave spin on the poor position detached housing has in the ACT now.

My own calcs indicate apartment commencements will still be almost double detached housing commencements, while townhouse commencements are also going to exceed detached housing for the foreseeable future.

Canberra will be a very different city in a few years time. Far denser and more vibrant.
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Old September 1st, 2017, 05:58 AM   #1185
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Was stuffing around with maps and of course I love the original Walter Burley Griffin design. Also I love trains so was thinking about through my experiences of using the Canberra railway station that the area needs a bit of a revamp and hopefully try to go back to WBG's roots.

Bit of a pipe-dream but thought it would be nice to give Canberra a more fitting railway station...

Talking about the plans for this area of Kingston. The ACT Government actually did a precinct plan study back in the late 2000s for the future development of the area.

https://www.planning.act.gov.au/__da..._Preferred.pdf

General thinking around urban development in Canberra has changed a lot since this report was done, so I would expect any future plans would probably involve a tram line replacing the rail line, mixed use replacing the industrial areas along Canberra Ave, and no detached housing at all.
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Old October 17th, 2017, 06:33 AM   #1186
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Look what's on the Bunnings Career site under new stores:

Australian Central Territory (ACT)

Canberra Airport Warehouse
971 Majura Rd Majura Park ACT 2609

https://www.bunningscareers.com.au/new-stores
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Old October 17th, 2017, 08:08 AM   #1187
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That's the Masters building.

Didn't realise that was one of the Masters sites purchased by Bunnings. It makes sense that they would build there though. Currently the small Fyshwick store is the only Bunnings servicing inner Canberra
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Old October 18th, 2017, 10:51 PM   #1188
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Where the carpark is a pain in the backside to get in and out of.
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Old October 19th, 2017, 01:02 AM   #1189
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Fyshwick store will close when the Majura store opens.
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Old November 13th, 2017, 08:25 AM   #1190
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In my extremely nerdy spreadsheet recording U/C and proposed apartment developments, my count is now:

Total ACT - 14,000 apartment pipeline.
4100 U/C (2100 in the inner north)
2760 on sale but not U/C. (Some not yet approved)
1300 approved but not yet on sale
6000 proposed/pipeline

By district-
Inner North - 5580 (includes all of Dickson, Braddon, Civic, Campbell etc)
Inner South - 2100 (including future Kingston Foreshore stages, only 890 without those)
Woden - 1520
Belconnen - 1570
Tuggers - 790
Gungahlin - 1600 (inc. mezzo which is pretty much done)
Molonglo - 400ish

There are a few minor projects in various local shops (like Banksii & Parc in Jammo), but all up that's only a few hundred.
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Old November 13th, 2017, 08:32 AM   #1191
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That's an extraordinary number of apartments. Even if there were nothing but apartments going up in Canberra, that's still enough to cater for approx. 3 1/2 years of population growth.

What is the current ration of apartments to detached dwelling contruction in the ACT?
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Old November 13th, 2017, 11:01 AM   #1192
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Yeah Canberra is going nuts with apartments and townhouses. Started from a pretty low density base though.

Going by building approvals (projects just about to start construction), its about 50-55 per cent apartments, 25 per cent townhouses and 20-25 per cent detached houses. That's the highest ratio of high density dwellings (townhouses+apartments) to houses of any city.

Canberra needs to add something like a net 4000 dwellings per year to keep up with population growth and demographic change. On top of that, there are more than 1000 houses being demolished each year that get replaced, some for replacement with apartments and townhouses (particularly in the Inner North) and many for straight knockdown-rebuilds - which are also very popular in the inner suburbs where the blocks are big and the houses are generally 50s-60s era ex-govvie.

All up 5000 new dwellings per year is about the current demand, of which around 2500-2800 are apartments.
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Old November 13th, 2017, 11:49 AM   #1193
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I should probably note that a decent portion of the apartments are future stages of the big, multi building projects that dominate the Canberra market, so the 14,000 pipeline represents the majority of the next decades construction.

Even the most optimistic developers don't expect their projects to be complete for another decade. Particularly the huge ones like Wova (800 apartments), Founders Lane (700), Republic (1280), Soho (700+) etc.
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Old January 20th, 2018, 10:40 AM   #1194
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This thread is dead. Where is everybody?
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Old January 21st, 2018, 04:04 AM   #1195
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This thread is dead. Where is everybody?
Summer holidays. There is really nothing new that hasn't already been announced. I'm sure it'll pick up.
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