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Old February 15th, 2005, 12:54 PM   #1
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Σιδηροδρομικές μεταφορές στην Ελλάδα | Rail transport in Greece

How about all the news, proposals, opinions about the trains and railways in Greece?

Our country unfortunatelly has still one of the worst railways network in Europe but hopefully things start to change.
For more then 100 years all the goverments payed less attention to the developement of railway infrastructure. Even the last 20 years of participation in European Union , (i mean the possibilities of funding modernization projects) all we saw was new motorways but almost nothing about railways. The only exception was the last 2 years (mainly Athens because of the Olympics ).
Active projects now that we will possibly see in near future is the suburban rail from Athens to Korinthos and the continued modernization of the main railway line connecting Thessaloniki and Athens.
My opinion is that it's too less but as it seems things will change rapidly .



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Old February 15th, 2005, 01:21 PM   #3
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Skaros το σουλούπωσα το θέμα και μπορείς να το βρεις στον παρακάτω σύνδεσμο http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=180766

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Old February 15th, 2005, 01:27 PM   #4
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Κωνσταντινούπολη να βάζω δηλαδή εδώ ότι φωτογραφίες και νέα έχω σε σχέση με τις σιδηροδρομικές μεταφορές? Απλά όταν λέμε τραμ , μετρό κτλπ μιλάμε μόνο για Αθήνα , και νομίζω ότι πρέπει και η υπόλοιπη ελλάδα να φαίνεται κάπου. Όλοι βλέπουν τραμ και νομίζουν ότι όλη η έλλάδα είναι έτσι. Ας έρθουν καμιά βόλτα στην ξεχασμένη ελληνική επαρχία να δουν τι σημαίνει μεταφορές - ξεχαρβαλιασμένα αστικά λεωφορεία παντού από Ιωάννινα μέχρι Πάτρα και Ηράκλειο - -δεν έβαλα μέσα τα μεταχειρισμένα απο τη γερμανία που ούτε τις γερμανικές επιγραφές δεν έβγαλαν και μας τα πασάρουν και σαν καινούρια -.
Γιαυτό λοιπόν ίσως θα ήταν προτιμότερο όταν λέμε για μεταφορές να κάνουμε ένα διαχωρισμό , ακόμα και σαν thread από την Αθήνα . - Όταν παραδοθεί το μετρό στη θεσσαλονίκη βλέπουμε και για κάτι ξεχωριστό για εκεί αλλά για την ώρα είναι στην ίδια μοίρα με την υπόλοιπη ελληνική επαρχία - .
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Old February 15th, 2005, 01:32 PM   #5
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Anyway entaksei tha to metaferw edw!
Kserw oti den einai praktiko alla kati san ton idio titlo pou exeis alla me ena -except Athens- sto telos isws na einai kalytero !
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Old February 15th, 2005, 01:43 PM   #6
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Όχι φίλε μου, εδώ καταχωρούμε τα πάντα συμπεραλαμβανομενου του σιδηρόδρομου (σύγχρονο, αναμνήσεις, οδοντωτό,).Εξάλλου η ραχοκοκαλιά των μεταφορών μας είναι ο σιδηρόδρομος.

Όσο για το άλλο που έθιξες.Δεν έχω καμία διάθεση να προωθήσω την Αθήνα και να υποβαθμίσω την υπόλοιπη πατρίδα μας για αυτό να είσαι σίγουρος.
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Old February 15th, 2005, 04:58 PM   #7
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News about Greek Railways

Εντάξει Konstantinoupolis! thanks!

Our country unfortunatelly has still one of the worst railways network in Europe but hopefully things start to change.
For more then 100 years all the goverments payed less attention to the developement of railway infrastructure. Even the last 20 years of participation in European Union , (i mean the possibilities of funding modernization projects) all we saw was new motorways but almost nothing about railways. The only exception was the last 2 years (mainly Athens because of the Olympics ).
Active projects now that we will possibly see in near future is the suburban rail from Athens to Korinthos and the continued modernization of the main railway line connecting Thessaloniki and Athens.
My opinion is that it's too less but as it seems things will change rapidly .

The maps bellow are from the official site of ERGOSE .




* Definition for the maps : The Peloponnese railway network is not standard gauge line but metric (that means the width of the railway track is 1m). Tha is from the times of Charilaos Trikoupis (end of 19 century) and one of the few still existing in Europe. One major problem is that because of that , there is incompatibility with the new rail stock that the national raiways allready has put in service. Things will change probably only for the North Peloponnese as the new rail line construction between Athens-Patras is in progress- preparation. But no news for the next of Peloponnese which as it seems looses the oportunity to offer better railway services.

* As we can also see there is absence of railways for the west mainland Greece (Epirus, West sterea Ellada ) and there are no plans announced for that. (actually some times we hear about this so called "IONIA ODOS" which could also be railways Ionia odos staring from Igoumenitsa port-untill Kalamata , south Peloponnese ) . The new bridge of Rio-Antirio lost the chance to have also infrastracture for future railway pass. So it seems very difficult at the moment to think about a western rail axis connecting Greece from Epirus(borders with albania) to South west Peloponnese.

* Something also very obvious in the above maps is the lack of electrification almost for all the existing network .(with the exception of the line Thessaloniki-Skopja (FYROM) .

Finally a map about how the network will be by the end of the railways upgrade programm of OSE (National Railways) in 2010
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Old February 15th, 2005, 05:07 PM   #8
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From www.railfaneurope.net

Network length of Greek Railways in the year 2000 was 2299km .
1565km standard gauge, 76km electrified at 25kV 50Hz
892km narrow gauge(1000mm), not electrified
22km narrow gauge(750mm), not electrified
20km narrow gauge(600mm), not electrified (only for tourist trains)
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Old February 15th, 2005, 05:43 PM   #9
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The Turkish Railway is same as Greece's.. Everywhere you see motorways but nothing about railways..
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Any news on Thessaloniki subway?
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Old February 16th, 2005, 11:04 PM   #11
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Any news on Thessaloniki subway?
there where couple delays but finaly it will progress again the work will start in june/juli
lets hope they keep the schedule...
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Old February 17th, 2005, 01:25 AM   #12
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From the official site of OSE , a short description of the Railways modernisation program (see maps above) .

All projects included in the Modernisation Program of the Greek railway network are incorporated into the Trans-European Networks of high-speed or combined transport or even conventional trains, as the case may be. As a result, the financial contribution of the European Funds in the implementation of the Program will be significant. More specifically, the investment program for the period of 1989-1993 (243 millionEuro or 83 billion GRD) was co-financed by the European Union through the First Community Support Framework, while for the period 1994-1999 (1,349 million EUR or 435 billion GRD) from the 2nd Community Support Framework and the 1st Cohesion Fund.

In Greece, the network modernisation projects in progress will be completed over the period 2006-2008 (2010). On the PATHE axis (Patra - Athens - Thessaloniki - Idomeni), the double, electrified and remotely controlled track to be constructed will enable minimum traffic speeds of 200km/h. The travel times will be reduced, i.e. Athens -Thessaloniki route to 3 hours and 30 minutes instead of 5 hours and 30 minutes currently, and Athens - Patra route to less than 2 hours instead of 3 hours and 30 minutes currently. Furthermore, the modernization of the remaining regional network will also proceed significantly.

The railway projects mainly extend on the Patra - Athens - Thessaloniki - Idomeni axis towards Skopja and Promahona towards Bulgaria. This axis is approx. 1,000km long. Furthermore, other regional networks are being reconstructed using national resources, i.e. networks of West Macedonia, East Macedonia and Thrace and the so-called V, as Peloponnese , Patra - Kalamata - Corinth route resembles this letter of the Latin alphabet.

In addition, the Agrinio - Messologgi - Kryonerio track is constructed in the prefecture of Etoloakarnania, extending the current network by 62km. It is a line constructed in the homeland of Charilaos Trikoupis and put out of operation in 1971. What is of great importance, however, are the projects performed in order to improve and upgrade the existing network. Thus, it is worth mentioning that a lot of projects are currently in progress on the network relating to all three railway regions of the country, namely the regions of Macedonia - Thrace, Peloponnese, and Athens. The entire network constitutes an extensive working site.
The new modern rolling stock that arrive, will renew the fleet of OSE and lead to a service level similar to that of the most advanced European networks.


Where are we now?

1. Suburban rail
Athens Airport---Athens central railway station---Corinth

Today (Feb 2005) in operation is the line Airport-Athens central railway station , 32 km long double track railway line (new rolling stock , electrification not complited)
In few months (probably May 2005) the new line untill Corinth will be delivered. (Double track high-speed 83 km railway line with signalling – telecommanding and telecommunications . Also part of the new Patras-Athens line)
Part of the new Korinthos-Athens line in Kakia Skala

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Guys, this is a very interesting thread, keep posting!!!
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Halo Guys,
What is your opinion about the whole railway network after its completion in 2011 ??
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Old February 18th, 2005, 10:00 PM   #15
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Hello PredyGr and Gm2263!
As about your question Predy , like i write above in my personal opinion , this whole upgrade programm was something more than needed. If everything goes well and finally in 2011 we have a high speed line connecting Peloponnese (Patra) with Athens , and trhough thessalia and Macedonia our north borders than the first big step after more than 100 years have been made. But...still big parts of the land are kept out of the philosophy of the railways. So perhaps the next step (and this should start imediatelly ) is the western Axis (Borders with Albania--> Igoumenitsa---> Ioaninna-->Agrinio-->Patra---> Kalamata . Also a new line is needed perhaps beside the under construction Egnatia highway (connecting Igoumenitsa ,west untill borders with Turkey ,east). Finally some additional possible projects could be the (much needed!) round - peloponnese railway upgrade (with new double high speed line) and.... why not (i have never seen that mentioned!) a line in Crete connecting the Island from its western point untill its eastern. (Islands like Magiorka in Spain which are smaller have allready railway connections).

and just for the eyes pleasure some photos taken from the absolut reference for these things, site of www.railfaneurope.net

Suburban railway, near Kantza station. Desiro DMU trainset.


Railbus used in the suburban line in doukissis Plakentias station


New highspeed railway tunnel in Tempi. (Look maps above , between Evangellismo and Leptokarya , south of Thessaloniki)


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New passenger coaches of Greek Railways (OSE) for national and international use on standard gauge main-line railways. (SIEMENS)

Pressure resistant (especially suitable for lines with frequent tunnels)
Eleven compartments
Two vacuum toilets
One washroom
Fully air conditioned
Excellent running characteristics thanks to SF-300 radially adjustable bogies
Maximum speed 200 km/h

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Wow Impressive thread
one question do u have any high speed trains projects?
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DIAKOFTO - KALAVRYTA Rack Railway (Odontotos)

(look maps above , vertical small line between Athens and Patras)




NEWS (from the Official site of STADLER)
The Greek federal railways OSE have ordered 4 new three-part tourist trains for the railway line from Diakofto to Kalavryta on the Peloponnesus from Stadler Bussnang AG. The delivery value of these four rack railcars amounts to 34.8 million CHF. This new generation of vehicles will be delivered in the years 2006/2007.
The existing rolling stock, which is over 40 years old, is to be replaced on the existing, 22.3 km long rack railway in the north of the Peloponnesus. This railway construction has an extremely narrow gauge track of only 750 mm and runs from the scenic coastal town of Diakofto up to the mountainous hiking area of Kalavryta. Diesel traction allows the tourist trains to overcome a difference of 700 m in height over 3 rack sections. The new, lightweight Stadler rack railcars are built with very low axle loads, tailored to this narrow gauge route, which is unique in the world. The diesel-electric drive is divided into pure rack drives and pure adhesion drives, which exert their share of the traction force in the rack sections as well. The vehicle is precisely adapted to the profile of the low, narrow tunnels between valleys, bridges and wild gorges. The four new Stadler trains provide passengers with a good panoramic view and contain a cooling system. The transport capacity can be increased in comparison to that of the existing trains, which have gotten on in years; the new trains have more seats and can attain faster speeds. For this purpose, the Greek federal railway is renovating the entire railway line.

Odontotos trainset today: (before the renovation of the railway line)






And this is how it will probably look after the arrival of the new trainsets from Switzerland

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Hello Tekno!
What do you mean by high speed? Superhigh speed or just high speed? Because if you bring in mind TGV situations than from what i know there is no such a project ( i mean for railways more than 200km/Hour) . Some parts of the new line Athens-Thessaloniki have infrastructure for up to 250Km/h . I will check it up again and soon i will post some news here.
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Ευρεία Παράκαμψη Πατρών- Patras ring highway

Patras ring highway (complited 2002) (part of the PATHE highway)
Η "Ευρεία Παράκαμψη Πάτρας" συνολικού μήκους 18,5 Km., που αποτελείται από 12 σήραγγες (tunnels , 5km total legth) και 17 γέφυρες (bridges) (είτε κοιλαδογέφυρες, είτε γέφυρες κόμβων και ποταμών ) , 72 κάμερες για την παρακολούθηση της κυκλοφορίας , 5 ανισόπεδους κόμβους κτλπ





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