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Old April 2nd, 2005, 08:18 AM   #21
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Heh, sorry shreddog, but the old Port Authority site didn't seem to like me directly linking pictures, so try their website:

http://www.rupertport.com/default.htm

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Very cool location. Guess I'll be stopping there for a little while if I take the ferry up to Ketchikan this summer; how far a ride is it from PR?
It's about 6 hours from Prince Rupert.

It's amazing how Ketchikan, half the size of Prince Rupert, receives more than 600 000 cruise ship passengers/year. Prince Rupert just got involved back into the cruise ship business last year with 60 000 passengers coming into town.

But yes, there are a lot of "opportunities" for Prince Rupert, however, most of them don't really help (immediately) to shape up the commercial industries in the city. There were rumours of a Taco Bell/KFC opening up here, but they were just that: rumours.
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Old April 2nd, 2005, 07:52 PM   #22
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Looks like times are just starting to get interesting (hopefully!) for PR.

I thought PR's been handling cruise ships for much longer than just last year. Or is it that it's grossly poorly promoted and very poorly equipped to handle cruise ships?

I understand that its post WWII population peaked at something like up to 18,000 in the late 1980s/early 1990s, but it's dropped to about 14,000. This is like having Edmonton drop to about 780,000 from its current 1 million. I wonder how bad the unemployment rate's been in PR? Was it worse than what Prince George had until recently, where it went up over 16%?

However, with all that construction of the container port, the LNG terminal and also the possibility of oil and natural gas pipelines running from Alberta and northeastern BC, the population is no doubt going to start expanding within a few years. It'd be cool to see it go up to at least 30,000-40,000 by 2025.
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Old April 2nd, 2005, 08:13 PM   #23
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An article was published in Thursday's edition of the Vancouver Sun newspaper entitled "Prince Rupert about to become a container 'superport'".

A feasibility study (funded by both B.C. and Alberta BTW) was conducted by one of the world's premier marine transportation consulting firms and it has concluded that PR's container potential is in the 4 million TEU range, rivalling Vancouver and putting it on the North American map as a container "Superport".

A couple of exerpts:

"What is really important is the fact that the word 'Prince Rupert' is being discussed in a major way now in the corridors of power in Ottawa."

"Prince Rupert appears to be benefitting from an almost perfect alignment of the stars: Asian container traffic is growing exponentially; it is the best ice-free deep-water port in North America; it is two sailing days closer to Asia than any other west coast port; and it has grossly under-ultilized railway connections."

If PR realizes this potential with the considerable well-paying employment opportunities associated along with it, it will have an enormous impact on PR's overall economic health.
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Old April 2nd, 2005, 09:54 PM   #24
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From what I remember, Prince George's unemployment rate was at a stagering 16.8% in 1998, today it is hovering around 6.5% and housing starts have gone up 70% over last year, the city has even opened up another section of college heights for development, this area will be planned for 2-3000 new homes upon build out in probably 10 years; if the economy stays robust and the pine beatle doesn't have to big of an effect. Just a few weeks ago another call center confirmed location in prince george, another 300 or so jobs, this will build that call center industry in Prince George up to 1200-1500 jobs. These jobs aren't the highest paying but do act as a decent second income. The construction of a new Rona store will also keep Prince Georges hold on Regional Shopping.
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Old April 2nd, 2005, 10:37 PM   #25
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That would be quite the location for a large city! Prince Rupert can become something really interesting if it were to ever pass the 100,000 mark.
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Old April 2nd, 2005, 11:39 PM   #26
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rupert had the second worse unemployment rate in the province. it was like 24% for a few yrs. it may be the same.
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Old April 3rd, 2005, 12:00 AM   #27
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Bergen, Norway gets an average of 1,930mm of precipitation each year.

Prince Rupert gets an average of 2,593mm of precip each year.

So it's only a little worse than Bergen, Norway.
When you think about it, PR is indeed similar to Bergen in climate. Sure, that is a lot of rain - roughly 75 inches for Bergen compared to PR's 102 inches. But I figure that global warming is going to cause the annual rainfall to drop over time as climatic zones move further north. Another thing in common - fjords!

Bergen's a lot bigger than PR though - about 235,000 people and it is Norway's second largest city after Oslo. (although it was at one time bigger than Oslo until the early 19th Century)
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Old April 5th, 2005, 08:11 AM   #28
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What do you guys think about a marina/resort development in PR? With PR's increased cruise ship capacity and a possible increase in ferry sailings from Port Hardy, tourism is bound to increase.

Maybe something like a central hotel with villas, cottages, the marina centred around a village square. Maybe something like Poet's Cove on Pender Island?

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Old April 8th, 2005, 08:18 AM   #29
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What do you guys think about a marina/resort development in PR? With PR's increased cruise ship capacity and a possible increase in ferry sailings from Port Hardy, tourism is bound to increase.

Maybe something like a central hotel with villas, cottages, the marina centred around a village square. Maybe something like Poet's Cove on Pender Island?

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Central hotel? That'd be the Crest, the only 4-star hotel in Northern BC.

However, if it were possible to take down the other seafood plants, and stretching the waterfront all the way down to the Kwinitsa museum/CN waterfront park, that'd be a major improvement, and your development plan may work.
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Federal cabinet minister David Emerson will be in Vancouver tomorrow for a major announcement regarding container port expansion in Prince Rupert.
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Old April 15th, 2005, 04:41 AM   #31
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^ wow, Martin and Emerson here in BC tomorrow.
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Old April 15th, 2005, 06:38 AM   #32
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PR is 18 hours closer to the orient than is Vancouver to say nothing of ther fact that it is easier to get at by rail.
Curious...........I know that being on one side of the mountains makes a huge diff in rainfall.ie Tofino to Parksville. How far in do you have to go to really see a diff?
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just to terrace really. that's about an hour and a half drive. you can actually see a big difference in port edward which is about a 15minute drive from downtown prince rupert because it's on the other side of mount hays.
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Old April 15th, 2005, 06:56 AM   #34
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just to terrace really. that's about an hour and a half drive. you can actually see a big difference in port edward which is about a 15minute drive from downtown prince rupert because it's on the other side of mount hays.
It's such a shame that they took the gondola to the top of Mount Hays down.

I've never been on it myself.
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Ya, I could see that. NorthVan gets 80in/year, downtown 60in, Richmond 40in, and White Rock 30in. yet for all you not knowing a lot about the Lower Mainland. NVan is only 40km from WhiteRock.
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Old April 15th, 2005, 08:40 AM   #36
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It's such a shame that they took the gondola to the top of Mount Hays down.

I've never been on it myself.

well, that whole ski hill idea was a mistake on mt. hays because in the winter, there can be snow up there one day, and then there isn't snow the same day. and once the chalet up there was burned down, they didn't bother rebuilding it and they took the gondola down and i think they moved it to a ski hill in prince george. but i remember seeing the chalet burn down. i watched it from the deck of my house when i think i was 8. it was weird really.
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April 15, 2005
Government of Canada

Office of the Premier

MAJOR INVESTMENT IN PRINCE RUPERT PORT EXPANSION

VANCOUVER – The Honourable David L. Emerson, Minister of Industry and co-senior minister for British Columbia, announced today that the Government of Canada intends to invest $30 million to create a container terminal at the Port of Prince Rupert. British Columbia Premier Gordon Campbell also announced that the Province of British Columbia will match federal funding and increase its investment in the Port of Prince Rupert to $30 million. Both investments are subject to the finalization of necessary funding authorities.

“The Government of Canada is helping to ensure that Canada’s West Coast becomes a major opportunity gateway for trans-Pacific trade, investment and tourism,” said Minister Emerson. “Investing in the expansion of the Port of Prince Rupert is one of the long-term initiatives that moves this gateway concept forward, creating new jobs and economic spin-offs for this region, and for all of Canada.”

“As Canada’s only Pacific province, we have the potential to almost double our share of West Coast container traffic and create up to 45 000 new maritime jobs over the next 15 years – and the expansion of the Port of Prince Rupert will play a critical role in that,” said Premier Campbell. “The federal government’s planned support of this project shows that Ottawa recognizes its importance not just to British Columbia, but to the national economy as well.”

Premier Campbell said the provincial government has already committed to invest
$17.2 million toward expanding the port as part of the benefits of the BC Rail Investment Partnership, and pending the finalization of funding authorities, intends to provide an additional $12.8 million for a total contribution of $30 million.

Located at the North American entry point of the North West Transportation Corridor, the Port of Prince Rupert offers the shortest land-sea transportation route to Asia. Today’s announcement will help improve Canada’s competitive position in Asia by enhancing trade and investment, and supporting Canada’s competitive advantage in key regions, sectors and markets.

“This planned investment is an excellent example of the Government of Canada’s interest in helping our ports to become destinations of choice for the ever-increasing trade to and from Asia,” said the Honourable Jean-C. Lapierre, Minister of Transport. “This planned investment will greatly enhance economic growth opportunities in north-central British Columbia and Alberta, while assisting the Prince Rupert Port Authority in expanding its capacity and strengthening its competitiveness.”

“The Province of British Columbia has a vision for its ports and our Ports Strategy is the plan that will make that vision a reality. Today’s announcement is part of an aggressive strategy to capture rapidly increasing Asia-Pacific container trade,” said British Columbia Transportation Minister Kevin Falcon. “The work of federal and provincial governments and port industry partners is what has brought us here today. I am confident that as we continue to work together we will see even greater results for Prince Rupert.”

The Government of Canada has supported the development of British Columbia’s transportation infrastructure with funding commitments of approximately $675 million over the last two years.

“Western Economic Diversification Canada is working with communities across the West to ensure that Canada is able to take full advantage of the emerging economic opportunities in the Asia-Pacific region, including trade and investment and tourism industry development,” said the Honourable Stephen Owen, Minister of Western Economic Diversification and Minister of State (Sport). “Over the last three years, Western Economic Diversification has invested over $4 million in the development of the Port of Prince Rupert to enable northern British Columbia communities to benefit from the growing cruise ship industry.”

In addition, all levels of government have collectively committed over $3.3 billion for British Columbia highway, rail, port and border infrastructure to ensure that goods move efficiently within the province and across Canada.

“This announcement by the federal and provincial governments, working together to invest in Prince Rupert’s marine infrastructure, is a tremendous vote of confidence in the Port of Prince Rupert and assures that the development of Canada’s newest container facility will move ahead as soon as possible,” said Don Krusel, President and Chief Executive Officer, Prince Rupert Port Authority. “It will create enormous opportunities for northern British Columbia and ensure that Canada’s importers and exporters, right across this country, will have a new and uncongested gateway to the Asian marketplace. We join together with everyone who lives and works along the North West Trade Corridor, which runs through the Port of Prince Rupert, in congratulating and thanking both the federal and provincial governments for having the visionary leadership to invest in our future.”

The ports of Prince Rupert, Vancouver and Fraser River offer direct access to
North Pacific shipping lanes, providing shippers significant cost and time advantages, and allowing for a competitive advantage in servicing Asia’s fast-growing markets.
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they're calling this the Olympics of Northern BC but not only for one year but for year after year after year - it will change everything. eventually, its suppose to create tens of thousands of jobs....perhaps this is the next Vancouver?

this phase will be completed by the end of 2006.
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Pipeline passes a major hurdle
PetroChina's decision to get on board gives new impetus to plan for Alberta-to-B.C. 'Gateway' line

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April 15, 2005

Enbridge Inc.'s race to build a $2.5-billion crude oil pipeline through B.C. passed a major milestone Thursday with Asian energy giant PetroChina signing onto the project.

Calgary-based Enbridge announced that PetroChina inked a memorandum of understanding to buy up half the daily 400,000-barrel capacity of the 1,160-kilometre "Gateway" line that will carry oil from Alberta to a new deep-sea terminal situated either at Prince Rupert or Kitimat.

Enbridge officials cautioned that a decision to go ahead with the project is still several months away, and the company will now assist PetroChina in finding producers who can fulfill the state-owned Chinese corporation's desire to purchase 200,000 barrels a day. That's a marked departure from Enbridge's traditional role as a utility service provider, and the biggest indication to date of China's interest in Canada's richest source of oil.

The Alberta oilsands represent the world's second-largest proven reserve of crude oil, after Saudi Arabia.

Enbridge president and CEO Patrick Daniel travelled to Beijing to sign the memorandum.

"This is a positive step forward on a project which will have major benefits for Enbridge, for oilsands producers and for Canada, as well as for consumers in China and other offshore markets," Daniel said in a news release from the company.

"However, there remains a great deal to be accomplished before the Gateway Pipeline can become a reality. Definitive long-term agreements for the sale of crude oil to the Chinese will need to be negotiated, as will longer term capacity commitments with other shippers."

Enbridge is actively seeking commitments from other potential shippers to fill the remaining capacity, but company spokesman Jim Rennie said in an interview that PetroChina was the linchpin.

"We've said all along that we need an anchor, that an Asia-Pacific customer is needed to make this a go. Assuming that everything goes well with PetroChina, the 200,000 barrels a day are brought together.

"We think we can reach definitive contractual agreements this year. If we can do that, that's half the 400,000-barrel-a-day capacity of the pipeline."

He added that the company still has a lot of preparatory work to carry out.

"We are looking for additional commitments, as well as community consultation and aboriginal consultation in B.C., getting our engineering work and our environmental work done."

The company believes it can submit next year an application to build the pipeline, and have it in service by 2010 -- when production from the oilsands is expected to reach 900,000 barrels of crude oil per day.

Brian Purdy, an infrastructure analyst with FirstEnergy Capital Corp., said the announcement gives Enbridge the lead over Terasen Pipelines, which is proposing to build an oil pipeline along its existing TransMountain Pipeline right-of-way from Alberta to Burnaby.

"I think at this point it looks like Enbridge is a little bit ahead. It gives them the scale and the key mass to get a project of this size moving forward. It sounds as if they have a commitment for basically half the pipeline capacity, which is fairly key," Purdy said.

"From this point they can go and talk to other producers and just incrementally add them on, to attempt to bring up the utilization of the asset once it's built. At the same time, it's a key milestone for them to get the critical mass they need to move this forward."

THE DEAL'S MAIN DRIVERS:

- PetroChina is China's largest oil company.

- PetroChina has signed a memorandum of understanding to purchase about half of the so-called Gateway Pipeline's shipping capacity, or 200,000 barrels of day.

- Northern Alberta's oilsands are expected to soon produce most of Canada's crude oil

- Canada holds the second-largest supply of remaining energy reserves in the world behind Saudi Arabia.

Ran with fact box "The Deal's Main Drivers", which has been appended to the end of the story.

© The Vancouver Sun 2005
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i think Prince Rupert could turn into a giant city one day. it has the potential. it would be as beautiful as Vancouver as it too has mountains. imagine a skyline here.



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