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Old April 17th, 2005, 02:57 AM   #41
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i think Prince Rupert could turn into a giant city one day. it has the potential. it would be as beautiful as Vancouver as it too has mountains. imagine a skyline here.
It doesn't have a lot of room to grow because of its geography, it's even more hemmed in by water and mountains than Vancouver is.

However all is not lost, I can think of another city that is similarly "disadvantaged" by geography.

Maybe this:


Will one day look like this?
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Old April 17th, 2005, 05:17 AM   #42
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^LOL. so true.


if not, we could turn the city into a resort and resort-like city like Concord Pacific.
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Old May 6th, 2005, 11:02 PM   #43
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Make Port of Vancouver a priority, CPR chief advises
Prince Rupert should proceed, but Vancouver's 'the Pacific gateway for the present and the future'

Lisa Schmidt, Scott Simpson and Derrick Penner
Calgary Herald and Vancouver Sun

Friday, May 06, 2005

Canada should focus on expanding the Port of Vancouver to benefit from the boom in Asia-Pacific trade, not dilute it with investments at other West Coast ports, the head of Canadian Pacific Railway said Thursday.

"We should not be distracted by imitators. The Port of Vancouver is the real deal -- it is the Pacific gateway for the present and the future," chief executive Rob Ritchie told the company's annual meeting in Calgary.

Ritchie's comments follow an announcement last month that the Port of Prince Rupert will go ahead with a major expansion after a $60-million commitment by federal and provincial governments to the $172-million project.

After Thursday's meeting, Ritchie said plans for Prince Rupert should proceed, but the Port of Vancouver should not be left out.

"We think there is a lot of growth out there so other ports will have opportunities, but they should not be at the expense of Vancouver," said Ritchie. "Vancouver should get the same opportunities to grow with public funding that Port of Prince Rupert does, because that would be money better spent.

"Let us never forget that in transportation, efficiency comes with density. Supporting the growth of the Port of Vancouver is where Canada should be concentrating most of its efforts to benefit from Asia-Pacific trade. Dilution is not the solution."

In April, the federal and B.C. governments put forward $60 million in funding for a new container terminal in Prince Rupert's Ridley Terminal.

Canadian Pacific's chief rival in British Columbia, CN Rail, announced it would invest $125 million in new rolling stock and locomotives to handle growing volumes of container traffic through Ridley.

The new facility is envisioned as a major catalyst for development of the northern B.C. economy, inducing manufacturers to set up business in communities such as Prince George

The first phase, capable of handling about 500,000 containers annually, is slated to begin operations in early 2007.

Maureen Bader, manager of corporate communications for the Prince Rupert Port Authority said Ritchie's comments "seem to be a bit misguided."

"CP doesn't have a rail line here, so it seems to be an obvious thing for him to want to say," she added.

Prince Rupert, Bader said, is working on a unique business model that calls for Prince Rupert to be a "throughput port," that will put 98 per cent of the containers it receives directly on trains to central Canada or Chicago.

She added that it could be used to relieve pressure on ports such as Vancouver or Los Angeles to take containers that are going straight through to the U.S. Midwest.

"To say that it's an imitator is misleading, or uniformed, perhaps," Bader said.

The Prince Rupert announcement drew expressions of concern from the Port of Vancouver, which is in the midst of the first part of a three-stage $1-billion expansion project aimed at capturing some of the same U.S. business that will be pursued by Ridley Terminal.

Last month, CPR said it would go ahead with a $160-million project to increase capacity for the Vancouver port by 400 cars a day.

Under the Canada Marine Act, the federal government cannot directly invest in port infrastructure, so the Rupert money was moved along to the province first -- a deal that ruffled some feathers at the Vancouver port and raised concerns about the absence of a coordinated business plan.

Anne McMullin, director of corporate communications for the Vancouver Port Authority said Rupert has "an important role to play in a B.C. West Coast container strategy."

McMullin said the port believes a coordinated strategy among B.C. coastal ports is essential "so that there isn't a glut on the market and that we are developing our terminals to meet market demand."

The port has been advocating changes to the Canada Marine Act that would allow Ottawa to invest directly in port infrastructure "because we believe it's an investment that creates jobs, moves Canadian goods and those sorts of things."

"Rupert will be an important and integral part of the system, but you are not going to replace the Port of Vancouver.

"We're the biggest port in Canada, the most diversified and one of the largest ports in North America."

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Old May 6th, 2005, 11:21 PM   #44
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I thought PR's been handling cruise ships for much longer than just last year. Or is it that it's grossly poorly promoted and very poorly equipped to handle cruise ships?
Would you say, then, that perhaps PR could have better P.R.? HA HA HA HAHAHh aha ha haa.. oh. How come no one else made that joke yet?

I am absolutely fascinated with PR, and I'm glad to see this thread. I did alot of research on the city about a year ago; I was actually considering packing up my family and moving there. I could feel that it had alot of potential, even before the container port and the oil pipeline projects were announced.

Now would be a good time to invest in PR real estate. Houses in the town are dirt f@#ing cheap... 50-80 grand on average, if I recall. What a fine location too... and it's so far north. Talk about being remote; of course, that just adds to the intrigue. I really hope these good vibrations catch on for PR.

If anyone has more pics of Prince Rupert, bring em on please.
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Old May 7th, 2005, 12:59 AM   #45
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That article does make sense. Diluting the problem isn't the solution.
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Old May 7th, 2005, 01:00 AM   #46
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Intresting to note that in the CPR chief would say we should only focus on the port of Vancouver. It is because CN thier main competitor has the only lines going to Prince Rupurt. Then the Port of Vancouver doesnt really like it either. COuld it be that they also have a vested intrest in not having competition. I say to CN go ahead and keep pushing for PR. We need it and whos to say we can support 2 ports in Canada.
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Old May 7th, 2005, 06:46 AM   #47
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They also say the when the big earthquake hits Vancouver, Prince Rupert can take the load. I think spreading out the trade is a good idea.
On top of that, Vancouver's not highly industrialized, and there's already a lot of pressure / conlfict between industrial and residential uses.
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Old May 7th, 2005, 07:20 AM   #48
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One of the positives of the Prince Rupert terminal is CN's relatively under-utilized rail lines with direct connections to eastern Canadian as well as Chicago markets.

Seattle/Tacoma and Long Beach, CA are starting to witness the results from rail congestion as shippers are anxious to move their time-sensitive goods to market.

Here's another thread relating to the rail congestion facing these westcoast U.S. ports.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=203568
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Old May 7th, 2005, 09:13 AM   #49
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Now would be a good time to invest in PR real estate. Houses in the town are dirt f@#ing cheap... 50-80 grand on average, if I recall. What a fine location too... and it's so far north. Talk about being remote; of course, that just adds to the intrigue. I really hope these good vibrations catch on for PR.

yeah, my parents house up there sold for $88000. where i live now, that house would easily get about $300000.
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Old May 9th, 2005, 04:45 PM   #50
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They also say the when the big earthquake hits Vancouver, Prince Rupert can take the load. I think spreading out the trade is a good idea.
don't put all your eggs into one basket... smart, smart
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Old May 28th, 2005, 02:13 AM   #51
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Here is a nice photo I found on Google of PR:



^ You can actually see a sunny day of Prince Rupert in this picture here.



^ And that's the world's tallest grain elevator... I think.
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Old May 28th, 2005, 02:55 AM   #52
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^ Geography looks very Vancouver-like.
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Lets hope they can increase the number of cruise passengers that arrive there. That would make some positive changes to the city which has much potential thru increased tourism.

Also, that train journey (The Skeena) between Prince Rupert and Prince George (another greatly misunderstood BC city with tourist potential, especialy considering its crossroads location) is a spectacular journey!! I did a big circle trip from Vancouver via BC Ferries from Port Hardy, the Skeena between PR and PG and then a long bus ride home. It was a amazing trip though!
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the first picture up there (the one of downtown) is second avenue/trans-canada highway 16. that's the main road in and out of rupert.

but my dad was telling me that houses up there are being bought up like wildfire over speculation of the container port being put in. for all that i hate that city, i really hope that it doesn't die, and i hope that it starts to regain in what it lost.

also, rupert lost a lot of it's potental because of the city councel and NIMBY's. it's very netorious (sp?) for that sort of thing. it's a very poorly run city. they are very anti-business and pretty much anti-anything. i should know, i grew up there.
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Old May 28th, 2005, 11:35 PM   #55
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^ read this:


New Seattle-B.C. cruises could be worth millions
Trips will bring thousands of visitors to province each week

Joanne Lee-Young
Vancouver Sun


Tuesday, May 24, 2005

New cruises out of Seattle that stop in B.C. ports only instead of the traditional Alaskan destinations are bringing thousands of tourists to the province this season and, with them, potentially millions of dollars in spending money.

The B.C. cruises, which began this month, will depart Seattle three times a week and carry up to 1,800 passengers per trip to stops including Vancouver, Victoria, Nanaimo and Prince Rupert.

The cruises, offered by Florida-based Celebrity Cruises, are expected to help offset the industry slump B.C. has been experiencing in recent seasons, largely due to competition from Seattle.

While cruise ship passenger numbers through Vancouver have been declining and stagnant, the Port of Seattle is breaking records. The Port of Vancouver saw some 930,000 cruise ship passengers in 2004, but the cruise industry in Seattle has grown from just six vessel calls and 7,000 passengers in 1999 to 150 calls and 562,000 cruise ship passengers in 2004. That number is expected to jump further to 685,000 in 2005.

"It's a very serious issue for us as a port," said Greg Wirtz, manager of cruise, marketing and operations, Port of Vancouver. "A big factor is the post-Sept. 11 world. There is a perception that it is easier to go from Seattle to Alaska and stay within the U.S. We need to compete with that."

Herb Pond, the mayor of Prince Rupert, noted that in Juneau, one of the major Alaska calls, each cruise passenger spends about $215 per visit. He said he's looking forward to similar revenue from passengers on a more direct route from Seattle.

"The more within-B.C. cruising, the better. We want to use the marketing clout of Alaska, which many people have already visited, and tempt people into coming back to Prince Rupert," Pond said.

Pond says that a new cruise- ship dock in Prince Rupert has already created a number of new businesses, including pedicab, scooter rental, and whale-watching services.

As well, existing businesses have been able to work on the quality of their offerings, knowing that there will be a predictable number of cruise passengers.

Pond said Prince Rupert has also looked to cruise-ship stops in Alaska for lessons on handling the negatives.

"We are working very hard to make sure that Prince Rupert remains unique and not like everyone else. We are doing this by encouraging local entrepreneurs as much as possible. We are carefully designing things like daily traffic patterns."


Wirtz said Vancouver is also working to encourage more American traffic. For example, there are plans to launch a program allowing American travellers to land at Vancouver International Airport, board a secure coach and be shuttled to the cruise terminal without having to clear customs.

In the meantime, American passengers have already begun boarding these new Seattle cruises. They started in early May and include three-, four- and five-day round-trip voyages. Celebrity's 1,800-passenger Mercury ship rotates to leave Seattle on Mondays, Thursdays and Saturdays, hitting two mid-week departures. The Port of Seattle is at capacity for cruise ships on Saturdays and Sundays, as is the Port of Vancouver, according to Tino Salud, general manager cruise and dock operations, Port of Seattle.

For both ports, this is a major stumbling block to growing the cruise industry.

"We have over the years been looking at lengthening the cruise season to include spring and fall. As well, this plays into utilization of midweek cruises so that we can maximize use of our facilities," said Salud in a phone interview. "These new cruises expand the market so that we are not just a start and end for Alaska cruises."

FROM SEATTLE, WITH CASH:

Seattle-based B.C. cruises bring with them a boon to the province's tourism industry.

1,800: Passenger capacity of the B.C. coastal cruise ships.

$215: Average amount spent by each cruise passenger in Juneau, one of the major Alaska calls.

3 times a week: Frequency of Seattle-based B.C. cruises.

4: The number of B.C. ports the cruises will stop in, including Vancouver, Victoria, Nanaimo and Prince Rupert.

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the first picture up there (the one of downtown) is second avenue/trans-canada highway 16. that's the main road in and out of rupert.

That's pretty much THE only road in and out of Rupert.

but my dad was telling me that houses up there are being bought up like wildfire over speculation of the container port being put in. for all that i hate that city, i really hope that it doesn't die, and i hope that it starts to regain in what it lost.

Yeah, a lot of people are even buying second houses and try to profit as housing prices rise.

also, rupert lost a lot of it's potental because of the city councel and NIMBY's. it's very netorious (sp?) for that sort of thing. it's a very poorly run city. they are very anti-business and pretty much anti-anything. i should know, i grew up there.

Pretty much.

And despite their efforts to keep in "local businesses", everything is closing down.
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Potentially good news for Prince Rupert...

Halifax grabs Vancouver container business

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June 15, 2005

A wary group of Canadian retailing giants is blaming port and rail congestion for a decision Tuesday to yank their business out of Vancouver in favour of the Port of Halifax.

The Canadian Retail Shippers Association says congestion and the competing volume of goods from China have obliged them to route 2,000 containers of Southeast Asia-made consumer goods through the Suez Canal and across the Atlantic Ocean rather than directly across the Pacific Ocean to the Port of Vancouver -- the country's largest port.

That is enough to half-fill a typical container ship -- although just a small portion of the 1.7 million 20-foot equivalent container units the Vancouver port handled in 2004.

However, companies importing goods under the 40-year-old Canadian Retail Shippers Association banner want to send the port and its associated businesses a "message" because of the port's failure to keep goods moving last winter.

"The decision we made to make the shift had to do with congestion on the West Coast," shippers association logistics president Doug Stewart said in an interview. "We're being, frankly, quite selfish. Our principal concern is for our customers. They are the ones that hold us accountable."

Shippers association members include Sears, Sony, Reitman's, Footlocker, Club Monaco and Saan.

"Consumers want to know that the product is going to be on the shelf when they are ready to buy," Brian Gerrior of Sears Canada said in a news release.

Containers started backing up in the Port of Vancouver around Christmas 2004, and the backlog was not cleared until April, frustrating retailers. Blame was shared among railways serving the port, terminal operators, truckers, and even warehouse operators.

Stewart agreed the announcement, which the Port of Halifax called a "major vote of confidence" for the east coast facility, was likely to spark some anxiety in the Port of Vancouver.

"Frankly, that's part of why we're doing it -- to make a point," said Stewart.

CP Rail carried about 75 per cent of the group's containers from Vancouver, with Canadian National taking the remainder.

CN will get 100 per cent of the Halifax business.

"We do hear from shipping lines that many West Coast ports are congested," said Michele Peveril, corporate communications manager for the Port of Halifax. "The retailers have been on our radar for a couple of years as a specific target for growth at the Port of Halifax."

Vancouver port officials played down the announcement, saying congestion issues have been resolved, and pledged there won't be a repeat this autumn when container traffic builds to its pre-Christmas peak.

"On the surface of it, it looks disappointing," said Chris Badger, Vancouver port operations vice-president, who noted that congestion is now non-existent.

Canadian Pacific Railway also said it has taken measures to head off congestion in future.

"The Canadian Retailers Shipping Association doesn't have to be concerned about CPR's capacity," said Len Cocolicchio, CPR's senior manager of public relations.

"We're investing $160 million to expand capacity on our western corridor. The work is underway as we speak. It will be complete in the fourth quarter of this year.

"When it is complete we will be able to move an additional four trains a day."

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TWO WAYS TO TORONTO:

Despite a longer haul via the Suez Canal, once goods arrive on the East Coast there are more options for getting them to central Canada. From Vancouver, rail is the only economical option.

Via Vancouver

TOTAL DISTANCE 17,611 km

Singapore - Vancouver 16 days

Vancouver - Toronto 10-11 days

TOTAL 26-27 days

Via Halifax

TOTAL DISTANCE 19,649 KM

Singapore - Halifax 23 days Halifax - Toronto 4-5 days

TOTAL 27-28 days

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Here are some pictures I found on Google - pardon me if they don't work on here.



Prince Rupert Harbour.



The main museum in Prince Rupert. The Northern BC Museum.



Northern BC Museum again.



The government building... hahah. One of the few office-only buildings in town.



An Anglican Church, I believe. It overlooks downtown.



The only way into the city by road is via Trans Canada Yellowhead Highway 16. You won't miss this sign.



The Crest Hotel, which is the only hotel in Northern BC to receive 4 diamonds from the AAA and one of the two hotels in Northern BC to receive 4 stars for Canada Select.



Shoe tree, just right outside the city.



The city hall.



At Mariner's Park, where monuments and plaques are placed to remember various sailors.



Cow Bay, cow car.



Here's the Prince Rupert "skyline". The Highliner Inn, which is ~65-70m tall, followed by the Coast Prince Rupert Hotel. Oh yeah, you can also see the shopping mall from here.

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And here are a bunch of photos from http://www.northpacificseaplanes.com/rupert.htm.



Cow Bay.



BC Transit bus.

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And the following are from Global Air Photos.



Digby Island Airport.



The flat piece of land on the bottom left is where they are planning to build Phase I of the Fairview Container Terminal. Phase II includes reclaiming and extending the part of Phase I.



Downtown Prince Rupert.



The building on top of the hill is the Prince Rupert General Hospital.

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And that wraps the Google photos of Prince Rupert.

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where are you from micmiko?
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Prince Rupert.

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Here are several rumours flying around about potential developments in the city:

There may be an A & W franchise moving (back) into town, across from the old Dairy Queen in Downtown. Right now, McDonald's, Tim Horton's, and Subway are the only fast food restaurants in the city.

"Wal Mart is building a 1 sq mile loading/unloading facility on Ridley Island." - this one I believe is just a rumour, I haven't heard any actual stories about it yet. Ridley Island is where the grain mill elevator is.

This isn't a rumour, but Ford re-opened back in Rupert. It is now called Port City Ford.

Canadian Tire bought the land from BC Hydro (for those of you who used to live here or still do, you might know where this is). It's a 33-acre lot, and Canadian Tire is proposing to develop an 8-acre (??) building containing a Canadian Tire, Wal Mart, plus a restaurant. There are also rumours about Home Depot being part of this development. Some people argue this site may be used to build a residential subdivision. As of now, Prince Rupert only has one shopping centre with a Zellers.

Overlooking the ferry terminal from Graham Avenue, there is a high-end condominium proposal. This would be the first time in years since Prince Rupert had anything over 2 stories being built! (well, excluding the College and Atlin Terminal)
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