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Old September 6th, 2005, 04:21 AM   #61
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^ Awsome news! Nice to see this town turning around.
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Old September 6th, 2005, 06:12 AM   #62
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Things look like they're really starting to look up in Prince Rupert.
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Old September 6th, 2005, 07:26 AM   #63
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wow! i haven't heard those before...

prince rumours. lol.

an a&w across from dairy queen? that's a park
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Old September 6th, 2005, 04:38 PM   #64
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woops, i was wrong about the area, that's the parking lot right? i was thinking of across mcbride street where the JW hall and the court house is. but that rumour has been going around for years. i remember it back in kindergarten.
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Old September 6th, 2005, 06:15 PM   #65
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woops, i was wrong about the area, that's the parking lot right? i was thinking of across mcbride street where the JW hall and the court house is. but that rumour has been going around for years. i remember it back in kindergarten.
Well, A & W used to be in Rupert, right??

Anyways, the A & W website has Prince Rupert on its "franchise ready to open" list. It's all rumours about it actually opening, though, but it'd be nice to have more fast food options.

What I like is the "chain restaurant" thing going on at the Canadian Tire/Wal Mart complex proposal. When you have been deprived of standard chain restaurants, you'll be happy to have anything new to open in town.
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Old September 6th, 2005, 06:54 PM   #66
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lol. yeah.


and yes, there was a A&W in rupert at one time. it was near where the new SPCA building is now, i do believe.

i remember going to kelowna and going to walmart and being so amazed by it. weird.
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Old September 6th, 2005, 08:04 PM   #67
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Really strange that a city of 14-17K would lose an A&W franchise, or any fast food chain franchise for that matter. I mean c'mon, I can name a few towns with even lower populations than PR that still have operating A&W franchises, even in BC. Like Chetwynd (pop only 2.5K) and Dawson Creek (pop. 12K), for example. I also vaguely something about a McDonald's which damn well near got run out of PR due to the city council. I can understand a Wal-Mart or some other big box chain getting that treatment, but this is a little crazy!

I don't wish to alarm you all or put you down, but some people up there must be seeing the glass as half-empty an awful lot despite the good news in Prince Rupert's future. Especially after I stumbled into this forum/site via Google called hackingthemainframe.com (maybe at least one of you have heard of this one): http://hackingthemainframe.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=3

But things seem to be moving along nicely, I hope. A rail link run by BC Rail between Hythe, AB (just west of Grande Prairie) and Dawson Creek has recently reopened after a decade of being shut down, and that is a move strongly connected to the future port expansion in Prince Rupert. But BC Rail is being bought up by CN and integrated into its network, so this might have something to do with that as well. At any rate, it's good news for the Peace Region. Grande Prairie (pop 45K - will hit 50K by 2007-2008) has already acquired land to build a container terminal for rail cargo distribution. GP is already undergoing a massive expansion of industrial land no doubt due to the oil and natural gas industry, which is just insanely active up there now. I wouldn't be surprised if Edmonton and maybe Prince George have some plans cooking for cargo distribution down the road, too.
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Really strange that a city of 14-17K would lose an A&W franchise, or any fast food chain franchise for that matter. I mean c'mon, I can name a few towns with even lower populations than PR that still have operating A&W franchises, even in BC. Like Chetwynd (pop only 2.5K) and Dawson Creek (pop. 12K), for example. I also vaguely something about a McDonald's which damn well near got run out of PR due to the city council. I can understand a Wal-Mart or some other big box chain getting that treatment, but this is a little crazy!

I don't wish to alarm you all or put you down, but some people up there must be seeing the glass as half-empty an awful lot despite the good news in Prince Rupert's future. Especially after I stumbled into this forum/site via Google called hackingthemainframe.com (maybe at least one of you have heard of this one): http://hackingthemainframe.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=3

But things seem to be moving along nicely, I hope. A rail link run by BC Rail between Hythe, AB (just west of Grande Prairie) and Dawson Creek has recently reopened after a decade of being shut down, and that is a move strongly connected to the future port expansion in Prince Rupert. But BC Rail is being bought up by CN and integrated into its network, so this might have something to do with that as well. At any rate, it's good news for the Peace Region. Grande Prairie (pop 45K - will hit 50K by 2007-2008) has already acquired land to build a container terminal for rail cargo distribution. GP is already undergoing a massive expansion of industrial land no doubt due to the oil and natural gas industry, which is just insanely active up there now. I wouldn't be surprised if Edmonton and maybe Prince George have some plans cooking for cargo distribution down the road, too.

Oh yeah, that's where I got some of those "rumours" from. hackingthemainframe is my friend's uncle's site. The others I found on the front page Daily News, Prince Rupert's newspaper. Daily News should be pretty reliable, I hope.

KFC closed down in Prince Rupert too, just last May. And no wonder it closed down. It's take-out only practically, with five of those spinny chairs as seating.

And that's good to hear Grande Prairie and Alberta is benefitting from Prince Rupert! I read somewhere (either on here or in the newspaper) that Prince Rupert is "Alberta's port".
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^i used to go to hackingthemainframe.com when i lived there...

and no, the daily news is not reliable. they're ones to fuel the flames. my mom used to work there at one time.
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Old September 7th, 2005, 08:56 PM   #70
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Small town A&W ... chase B.C. ( pop . 1700 ) yes , they have an A&W. sad for PR .
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Old January 20th, 2006, 07:59 PM   #71
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Uh-oh.....

Legal action threatens Prince Rupert development
Tsimshian want port expansion stalled
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VANCOUVER -- With a $160-million development to the Port of Prince Rupert at stake, phone lines were heating up yesterday as officials tried to head off a Federal Court action by the Coast Tsimshian.

"I don't know that there's any way to describe how important it is," Prince Rupert Mayor Herb Pond said yesterday of the port expansion, which is being held up by the threat of legal action.

"It is the centrepiece of the infrastructure building campaign that is under way here . . . this is important not only to the region, but all of Western Canada."

Mr. Pond said he has been urging native leaders and government officials to get back to the bargaining table and find a solution to the impasse.

"Delays [to construction] at this point could be crucial," Mr. Pond said.

Don Krusel, president of the Prince Rupert Port Authority, agreed.

"Our biggest concern right now is . . . there's not much sand left in the hourglass," Mr. Krusel said. "I want to see construction started soon . . . this development has huge importance to this region and it would be a shame to put that at risk."

Plans to expand Prince Rupert's port facilities to allow for the increased handling of container traffic have been before the federal government for review for several months. But approval has been held up largely because of concerns raised by the Lax Kw'alaams and Metlakatla, two subgroups of the Coast Tsimshian First Nation.

"We have been ready to move into construction for the past two months," said Shaun Stevenson, director of business development for the Prince Rupert Port Authority. "There's a real sense of urgency that we need to have this approved."

He said there appears to be no environmental or scientific grounds for holding up the project, known as the Fairview Terminal Conversion, and offers have been made to the Coast Tsimshian to provide job training and business development opportunities.

But Garry Reece, chief councillor for the Lax Kw'alaams, said native leaders don't think the development is offering them enough.

The Coast Tsimshian filed a notice of application in Federal Court this week that seeks a judicial review of a pending decision by the Minister of Transport to authorize the Fairview Terminal Conversion.

The native organization is asking for a declaration that the federal government has a duty to consult with, and, if appropriate, accommodate, the Coast Tsimshian "regarding the adverse impacts" on aboriginal title and rights.

The action seeks an interlocutory injunction prohibiting the government from authorizing the port expansion until the application is resolved.

Chief Reece said existing port facilities sit on a site the Lax Kw'alaams once used as a shellfish harvesting area and where winter villages have been located.

He said past developments have hurt the Lax Kw'alaams, and the Coast Tsimshian are determined not to suffer further detrimental impacts.

"There was no consultation with the Coast Tsimshian or accommodation of their aboriginal rights and title at the time of the original construction of the Fairview Terminal, and the Coast Tsimshian have never been accommodated for the infringements of their aboriginal rights and title from the construction and operation of the Fairview Terminal bulk and break-bulk facility to the present date," the court application states.

The application also says the federal government has rejected the need for consultation because development is taking place largely on 21.5 hectares of land surrendered by the Tsimshian in 1906. The document quotes a letter from Robert Prud'homme of Transport Canada, which states that "it has been Canada's position from the beginning of discussions that we would not be entertaining potential impacts to rights or title as against previously surrendered lands."

Chief Reece said he's not happy with how development took place in the past, but is not opposed to the proposed expansion -- as long as it is beneficial to his people.

"I'm kind of hoping they will come back to the table," he said. "We want to be part of that [port development]. We're looking for jobs for our people and greater business involvement."
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Old January 20th, 2006, 09:42 PM   #72
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surprise who would have though they would do that , everyone thats who .
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Funny thing is, I see no benefits for the aboriginal people if they successfully shut down the whole project. What would 0.72 hectares of "land where the Lax Kw'alaams once hunted and had winter villages" be of any benefit to the chief (or the Natives), especially since they hardly follow the lifestyle that their ancestors once lived?

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He said there appears to be no environmental or scientific grounds for holding up the project, known as the Fairview Terminal Conversion, and offers have been made to the Coast Tsimshian to provide job training and business development opportunities. (...) Chief Reece said he's not happy with how development took place in the past, but is not opposed to the proposed expansion -- as long as it is beneficial to his people.

"I'm kind of hoping they will come back to the table," he said. "We want to be part of that [port development]. We're looking for jobs for our people and greater business involvement."
If offers have been made to train the Coast Tsimshian to be prepared for the container port, what more "business involvement" does Reece want?
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They obviously only want to milk as much money and benefits out of this project while they still can. Shutting it down would be detrimental to everyone. I say just give it to them, this development it too important to get held up by petty disputes.
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the real problem is that they dont care about anyone but them selves
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it's about time to use the Significant Projects Streamlining Act.
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There's hope yet...!

This just in from the Globe and Mail:


Prince Rupert port plan is given the green light


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Wednesday, January 25, 2006 Page S1

VANCOUVER -- A $160-million port expansion that is seen as an economic engine for Canada's northwest coast has been approved by the federal government and construction is to start immediately, despite threatened court action by the Coast Tsimshian.

Don Krusel, president and chief executive officer of the Prince Rupert Port Authority, said yesterday that work is getting under way as quickly as possible on the project to increase the facility's ability to handle container traffic from across North America.

"This is a significant first step. . . . The construction of the container terminal in Prince Rupert is now progressing and the terminal is expected to be operational in the third quarter of 2007," Mr. Krusel said.

The Fairview Terminal Conversion project, which is being supported by matching funding of $30-million each from the federal and provincial governments, was threatened last week when the Coast Tsimshian filed a notice of application in Federal Court.

The native group, which represents several bands in the Prince Rupert area, has warned it will seek an injunction to stop the project unless it is consulted about aboriginal title and rights issues.

The Coast Tsimshian say the existing port facility is built on a site where native winter villages and shellfish harvesting beds once existed, and the expansion will have further impact.

Garry Reece, chief councillor for the Lax Kw'alaams band, said he was surprised the project was approved by the federal government.

"We haven't been back at the table to negotiate [since the application was filed]. But the port's lawyer told our lawyer the project was signed off on yesterday by the government," Mr. Reece said.

"If they are going ahead and we're not back at the table, then we'll have to go to court," he said. "We'd rather negotiate than be in the court, but if they aren't going to put more on the table, we'll go ahead with the case."

Mr. Krusel said construction is being started because the Coast Tsimshian, of which the Lax Kw'alaams are a member, have at this point only filed a notice of application with the court.

"It is only a threat right now," he said. "There is no actual court action attempting to stop the project at this point in time. So with the issuance of the necessary environmental permits, and given our tight timelines, we had no choice but to push on."

He said he hopes discussions can resume with the Coast Tsimshian.

"There's still an offer on the table. I know from the federal government side that the door is wide open for continuing discussions."

Plans to expand the port had been before the federal government for review for several months, but approval had been stalled because of concerns raised by the Coast Tsimshian. In addition to recognition of aboriginal title rights, the group is seeking employment and business opportunities.

Mr. Krusel and other officials had expressed concerns last week about the delays.

In a statement yesterday, Mr. Krusel said Fraser River Pile & Dredge and Western Industrial Contractors have been selected to complete wharf construction, in the first contract awarded relating to the terminal development.

A 400-metre-long wharf is being built to accommodate a new generation of post-Panamax ships -- vessels that can carry the equivalent of 6,600 six-metre containers. The super ships, which are becoming increasingly popular, are too big to fit through the Panama Canal and can't be handled by smaller ports.
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The Star Ledger (New Jersey):

Garden State Business Briefs
Thursday, January 26, 2006

Maher Terminals has ordered three giant container cranes for its new operations at the Port of Prince Rupert in British Columbia.

The so-called ultra-post panamax cranes, manufactured by Shanghai Zhenhua Port Machinery in China, will be capable of handling some of the world's largest cargo ships. In maritime jargon, "post panamax" is used to describe ships too large to travel through the Panama Canal.

The cranes are expected to arrive in Prince Rupert in September, according to Frans van Riemsdyk, a senior vice president of sales and marketing for Maher Terminals.

Each of the cranes will be capable of lifting 65 tons and reaching as far as 205 feet from the dock to transfer containers on and off huge cargo ships. They will be the tallest structures in Prince Rupert, standing nearly 400 feet high.

Maher Terminals of Canada Corp., an arm of Berkeley Heights-based Maher Terminals, will manage and operate the Port of Prince Rupert's first container terminal.

-- Susan Todd
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