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Old July 3rd, 2007, 12:30 AM   #121
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Cool pics of downtown Prince George. Western city's downtowns are so much different looking than here in Ontario!
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Old July 3rd, 2007, 05:37 AM   #122
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how so different?
more condensed? or what?
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Old July 4th, 2007, 04:12 AM   #123
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nice pictures....

There are plans to plant more trees downtown but really only $200 000 at a time. Quebec street is also going to get a major overhaul. Personally, I think that they should raise about a block downtown and build an urban park like they have in other cities.
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Old July 4th, 2007, 07:08 AM   #124
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how so different?
more condensed? or what?
they are more sparse here in BC

even the smallest of small out east has some cool downtowns - like old 2 -4 storey victorian era store fronts - all up on the street - compared to BC which seems more sparse and lower often with parking lots in the front

I noticed that when i moved to ontario from BC for school - even what seemed to be the middle of nowhere you would find the downtowns to be more significant feeling

like this is downtown belleville - close in size to Prince George



this is downtown stratford



downtown kingston



downtown Gananoque



st mary's ontario




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Old July 4th, 2007, 07:09 AM   #125
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i haven't been in downtown PG since the 80's - is that mall still there downtown that had the bay in it? can someone take pics of it?
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Old July 4th, 2007, 07:55 AM   #126
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how so different?
more condensed? or what?
Spongeg pretty much summed it up, but I'll just add my two cents anyway.

Not including highrise office and apartment buildings which are more or less the same whether in the East or West, Ontario cities almost always have at least one "Main" street stretching for many blocks that is lined with a solid streetwall of 2 to 4 storey brick buildings, many of which may be over 100 years old, while the cites in the west tend to have more one or two storey buildings along their downtown streets with spaces between them and obviously far less brick is used in their construction. It's just a matter of the time difference between when the cities in the East and West boomed and what sort of building materials were available during that time.

Here's a pic I took of North Bay's main downtown street, which is actually called Main street. North Bay has a population of 55,000.


This is Mcintyre Steet, which is one street over from Main street.
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ahhh threadjacking... what are forums for anyways... nice pics though
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Old July 5th, 2007, 02:58 PM   #128
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ive never been back east before so now i see what your talking about. and like you said it has to do with the population growth back east being much bigger than here in the west.
thanks for showing me the differences.
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Old July 6th, 2007, 07:42 AM   #129
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The thing I notice right away with the eastern cities is simply the age of the buildings. As it was metioned places like North Bay and Kingston have been around for hundreds of years in some cases. The fact is here in PG most of the larger buildings are only 30 years old. PG only started to boom in the 70's.
All that was here 100 years ago was a trading post. and that's pretty much the same for Kamloops and Kelowna as well. But it's nice to see a different view of things from what we have here.
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Old July 19th, 2007, 01:27 AM   #130
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Support for Airport Expansion Yes...Cheque? Not Yet
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Wednesday, July 18, 2007 03:23 PM




He didn’t bring a cheque, but Federal Minister of Natural Resources, Gary Lunn, says the Federal government is 100% behind the airport expansion in Prince George.

Lunn earlier today announced a Federal Government grant for the expansion of the Kamloops airport by 2,000 ft.. Ottawa will contribute $6. 6 million towards that expansion, although Lunn says that when it comes to the cheque actually being written, Kamloops is behind Prince George.

The Prince George Airport Authority has been seeking $11 million dollars from the Federal Government for the expansion of the Prince George Airport runway to allow for the landing and refueling of large jets coming over Canada from the Orient. Lunn announced in January that the Federal Government would put in its one third share, but has since ordered another consultants report on the project. Provincial funding is also waiting on word from that consultant’s report.

Lunn added “We definitely are going to be funding the Prince George Airport expansion”.

Meantime the head of the Prince George Airport, Stieg Hoeg, says time is running out “We need to know soon to enable us to start construction in August in order for this project to be completed by the fall of 2008. We cannot afford to lose one year of cargo agreements.” The Airport’s General Manager adds, “My only fear is that the Treasury Board approves the project in September and that, quite frankly, is too late. We need an assurance now for the Board to move forward .We have to have a decision by August to ensure that we do not waste another year.”

Losing a year of cargo contracts isn’t the only problem Hoeg sees looming “If we don’t act quickly, there are other players hoping to move in where we have left off.”
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Old July 19th, 2007, 02:52 AM   #131
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we are very lucky we finally got the money for our expansion

i never knew you guys even needed one, your airport is pretty big as is
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Old July 19th, 2007, 11:21 PM   #132
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he didnt bring a check , because he left it in Kamloops lol !!!!! LOL !!!!!!! LOL !!!!!
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oh... I thought we all ready got our check .... nutts.
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Old July 21st, 2007, 02:50 AM   #134
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Nuts is pretty much all anyone gets from the Feds.
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Old August 1st, 2007, 11:59 PM   #135
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Demand for lakeshore properties growing

According to a recent study by the Landcor Data Corporation, northern and northwestern B.C. have seen the smallest increase in both waterfront and non-waterfront property prices in the province.

North and Northwestern B.C. saw a 42 per cent price increase in waterfront properties’ average sale price between 1996 and 2006, and a 60 per cent increase in non-waterfront property prices between these years. This is the smallest change in B.C., lagging far behind the Kootenay area which saw a 254 per cent increase in the value of waterfront property and a 207 per cent increase in non-waterfront property in the ten years.

Former B.C. Northern Real Estate Board president Delores Armand explained the Northern B.C. waterfronts’ comparatively low price, saying “our lakefronts aren’t the same as down south.”

She said the lakes here are more secluded, and are in many cases down gravel roads. This, she said, can make them less desirable to people, as they are a longer drive out from their homes or places of business. It’s the classic matter of supply and demand, and there is less demand here than in Southern B.C., meaning there is less of a price difference.

The Landcor report backs up this theory, stating “properties that are closer to a major city, within a four hour drive time specifically are generally more valuable than those that are farther away.”

“We have quite a high demand now” for lakeside property, Armand reassured. She said that Cluculz Lake property was put on the market one year ago, and has since then doubled in price.

“Anything on water has always been a good investment,” she said.

The report reflects what happened with Cluculz Lake, quoting the president of the Landcor Data Corporation Rudy Nielsen, who said “the current supply and demand for lake property in B.C. will be generating innovation in the production of this product.”

Currently, 5.6 per cent of lake area properties are owned by Calgarians, a number that Initiatives Prince George might help increase thanks to the Connect Calgary Campaign Committee that has begun – advertising a three-day, two-night Prince George getaway for $319 per person. This package includes airfare on Air Canada Jazz and two nights accommodation at the Sheraton Four Points, Treasure Cove, Ramada, or Coast Inn of the North hotels.

At $164,051, the average price of a home in northern B.C. was well below the Calgary average of $360,674 in 2006. The average price of a house in Vancouver in 2006 was $509,876.

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Old August 16th, 2007, 07:37 AM   #136
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Airport Expansion Cleared For Take-Off
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It’s a go!

The Federal funding for the extension of the Prince George Airport runway has been approved. Airport Manager Stieg Hoeg is thrilled “Certainly this is good news” says Hoeg, “I can say now, the construction of the runway extension will move forward.”

The project now has two thirds of the dollars needed to complete the project. The first portion came from the Northern Trust, the Province has been asked to provide the balance.

Prince George- Peace River M.P. Jay Hill says he has sent an e-mail to the Chair of the Airport Authority Board, Jim Blake, “I told him that I would expect them to have equipment out tomorrow and start moving sod.” Hill says the dollars have been approved by the Treasury Board.

The project has been designed to handle the larger cargo planes needing a refuelling stop before heading to Asia. Prince George is hoping to pick up a small percentage of the flights that are now stopping in Anchorage Alaska as that airport is becoming very busy and does not have as many “good weather” days as Prince George.

Hill says while there are a couple of satutory requirements that have to be met, but "There are no ifs, ands, or buts, this extension has been approved". Hill also gave praise to the Airport Authority for making every effort not to lose precious time "We have a short construction season, and it was very good business sense for the Airport to put out a tender for this project while the funding was still being decided." The awarding of that tender hinges on full funding being available.

Now the focus is on the Provincial Government.

MLA Pat Bell says Transportation Minister Kevin Falcon has been working hard on this request. The Provincial approval was linked to the Federal Consultant’s review of the business case for the extension.

Prince George Airport Authority Board Chair Jim Blake is thrilled . He got the news while on the golf course "I was so excited, I quit with two holes left to go, we are just thrilled!" Blake says its now up to the Province, "They pretty much verbally committed to it, and there may be some little things we can do before they announce that committment, but we can't undertake any real work without their participation." Blake wanted to say thanks to the M.P's "I don't have to say this, but I mean it sincerely, if it hadn't been for the work of Jay Hill and Dick Harris, we would still be waiting, this item wasn't slated to go before the Treasury Board until September 21st, but Hill and Harris worked very hard to move it forward."

That extra month could have meant the complete loss of the 2007 construction season.
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I'm headin to P.G next weekend for a big lacrosse tourny, can't wait. hopefully I'll get some pics to throw up on here.
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Old August 16th, 2007, 07:46 AM   #138
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yay - pics would be good
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Old August 22nd, 2007, 08:37 PM   #139
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Port cranes arrive

(News) Tuesday, 21 August 2007, 00:00 PST
by GORDON HOEKSTRA Citizen staff

The three massive cranes for the Port of Prince Rupert's new $160-million container terminal were expected to be delivered by ship Monday evening, capping off one of the final elements into a transportation project touted as having benefits throughout northern B.C.

The cranes -- which will be able to handle up to 500,000 containers a year -- are expected to take nine days to be offloaded.

The three Super Post-Panamax Dock Gantry Cranes, constructed by Shanghai Zhenhua Port Machinery Co. Ltd., weigh 1,800 tonnes each and stand 80 metres from ground to tip, 25 storeys high.

However, local residents will not be able to get a firsthand view of the cranes being unloaded, from land at least, as construction continues and there are safety concerns.

But because of the local and regional interest in the project, the Prince Rupert Port Authority have installed an improved webcam (accessible from the the ports webpage, www.rupertport.com) where the unloading of the cranes from the ship can be viewed.

Construction of the terminal remains on schedule and on budget, with an official opening planned for Sept. 12 and the first container-laden ship to arrive some time in mid to late October.

"Frankly, we're way over 90 per cent complete," said Port of Prince Rupert corporate communications manager Barry Bartlett. "We're just finishing up the paving. The wharf extension was finished June 30 ahead of schedule. And the buildings will be done by the end of August, ahead of schedule."

When the terminal is completed in September it will be turned over to New Jersey-based Maher Terminals, which will operate the facility.

Earlier this year, Maher announced that it had reached an agreement with the China Ocean Shipping Company (COSCO) to use the new container terminal. COSCO, owned by the Chinese government is a global heavyweight in the shipping business.

The terminal -- the first of what is hoped to be a two-phase project that will grow the handling capacity to two million containers -- is meant to create an additional Pacific gateway from Asia into North America. The port is trying to capitalize on reduced wait times because of a lack of congestion at the port and along CN's rail lines, and shorter sailing distances from Asia, than other North American ports.

The federal and provincial governments have contributing $30 million each. CN is contributing another $30 million to the terminal, and terminal-operator Maher Terminals is contributing another $60 million.

CN is also investing $20 million on a transload operation in Prince George at its site off First Avenue, expected to be completed by October, that will be able to handle 60 to 70 containers a day. That container operation is expected to employ 50 full-time workers.

CN officials have said by the time it has completed improvements related the Prince Rupert container terminal they will total $350 million.

The Northern Trust is also launching a $225,000 study that it hopes will be able to sell a trade and manufacturing corridor that stretches from Prince Rupert to Valemount.

The idea it to highlight the advantages of locating industry in the corridor which will soon boast the Prince Rupert container terminal, the Prince George container handling facility and the proposed $36-million Prince George Airport expansion.
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Old September 23rd, 2007, 01:20 AM   #140
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Province kicks in $11 million for airport runway expansion
(News) Saturday, 22 September 2007, 04:00 PST
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The Prince George Airport received the last piece of funding Friday so that a $36-million runway expansion can begin immediately.

As expected, Premier Gordon Campbell made the announcement at the airport to a crowd of 75 or so business and community leaders, noting that it was another piece in developing a transportation gateway between Asia and the heart of North America.

"I have no hesitancy whatsoever in knowing that this expansion is going to make a difference for you, it's going to make a difference for British Columbia, and you should know this, it's going to make a difference for Canada," said Campbell.

The premier was backed on stage by federal Natural Resources Minister Gary Lunn, Prince George's three Liberal MLAs, Health Minister Jim Abbott and Mayor Colin Kinsley.

Campbell likened the development along the northwest corridor -- which includes the recent completion of a $170-million container-handling terminal in Prince Rupert and CN's $20-million container-handling facility under construction in Prince George -- as being similar to the development of the St. Lawrence Seaway on Canada's eastern seaboard after the Second World War.

"This is a project that has just the same scope, just the same opportunity for all Canadians ... We're creating jobs, we're creating opportunities," said Campbell.

The province is contributing $11 million to the airport project, as is the federal government and the Northern Trust, a regionally-governed agency seeded with money from the $1-billion sale of B.C. Rail to CN.

In an interview, Prince George Airport Authority Jim Blake acknowledged that the project is still $3 million short. The project was initially estimated to cost $33 million, but was revised upward to $36 million in May.

Blake said they will try to bring the project in under that estimated figure, and have also had discussions with the funding partners about increasing their contribution if necessary.

Initially, the Prince George Airport Authority had said it needed a commitment from the B.C. government by the end of August if it was going to be able to meet its construction schedule and planned completion before the end of 2008.

However, the construction schedule has been revisited several times, and Blake said they will definitely be able to have the pavement in place by the fall of 2008. While not all of the additional navigational equipment will likely be in place before the end of 2008, large planes will still be able to land once the pavement is in, he said.

The planned runway extension -- necessary to handle large cargo and passenger planes like the Boeing 747 and the McDonnell-Douglas MD-11 -- is aimed to take advantage of the airport's position on the efficient circumpolar aviation route between Asia and North America. The idea is to entice planes to stop and refuel, and eventually handle cargo.

The airport project is viewed as a way for north-central B.C. communities to diversify their economies in the wake of the pine beetle epidemic.

Lunn, the natural resources minister, said the key item he likes about the project is the fact it has had co-operation from all levels of government. Lunn highlighted that the federal government has a good relationship with B.C.

Prince George-Peace River MP Jay Hill said from Ottawa that he believed the project positions Prince George to become a superhighway of the sky. "I truly am excited," he said, adding he is particularly pleased about the discussions the airport authority has already had with Purolator, UPS and fedEX.

Cariboo-Prince George NDP MLA Bob Simpson said the investment was good news, particularly as it will help resource-based communities facing a fundamental transition, including from the fallout of the beetle epidemic and increased global competition.

But he said a comprehensive plan is missing that will ensure the airport's success.

Simpson said money being plowed into gateway projects in the Lower Mainland should be diverted north to expand rail even more and improve roads.

He also said that a better way is also needed to share resource wealth from resource-based communities, so they don't have to go "hat in hand" to senior levels of government for a project.
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