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Old March 8th, 2014, 07:26 AM   #10341
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I just posted Manhattan's post for your reference. Rehabillating people is far more expensive than building elegant underground system which can serve the area for centuries, as seen in western world.

Where will you rehabilate, in New Bombay, Virar??? It is just that you are transferring the infra investment from one place to another apart from incurring additional cost to rehabilitate people.

Density is a big boon, if right infra is planned. Sprawl will create troubles at some point of time.
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Old March 8th, 2014, 07:27 AM   #10342
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Shouldnt these be illegal? It poses a security and safety threat.

Feel bad for the occupants of the buildings, they will have to hear the trains and people all day.
The building is not illegal . The metro station is!! The building was always there. And this security/safety point of view were well discussed during underground vs elevated debate.
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Old March 8th, 2014, 07:45 AM   #10343
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And this is not the only building. There are many such buildings. The monster WEH station almost engulfs the nearby YES bank building. Many were existing for decades now.

Many of those who argued those days in this thread never visited these areas even once.
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Old March 8th, 2014, 08:14 AM   #10344
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After my posting of pics on SSC (JP road).....comes this news

In today's Maharashtra Times.
Due to bad condition - JP road from Dawood Baug lane till SV road could be made pedestrian only road.
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Old March 8th, 2014, 08:14 AM   #10345
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The building is not illegal . The metro station is!! The building was always there. And this security/safety point of view were well discussed during underground vs elevated debate.
I know, i was talking about the entire setup which obviously makes metro the culprit.

Cant imagine what is gonna happen in earthquakes or fire. There should be public safety laws prohibiting this kind of setup.
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Old March 8th, 2014, 08:20 AM   #10346
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I just posted Manhattan's post for your reference. Rehabillating people is far more expensive than building elegant underground system which can serve the area for centuries, as seen in western world.

Where will you rehabilate, in New Bombay, Virar??? It is just that you are transferring the infra investment from one place to another apart from incurring additional cost to rehabilitate people.

Density is a big boon, if right infra is planned. Sprawl will create troubles at some point of time.
Well you got me wrong, i am not against underground metro system. That would be ideal solution but still you need land on the top to plan public infra projects properly and to give more room for people to breathe. Some areas are identified for having maximum density but most of the areas need to be open.

Regarding the cost, thats the least of the worries. Human cost is way more expensive than monetary cost. Also space is non issue if there is a will to do things.

All i want is mumbai to grow yet keeping people comfortable in longer run. Some sacrifices needed to be made to make up for years of negligence and non planning.
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Old March 8th, 2014, 09:12 AM   #10347
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IMO, it is not feasible anywhere outside autocratic countries like China. Even West doesn't displace thousands of legal residents without their consent. Getting consent of thousands of people is next to impossible.Slum rehabilitation is different as they are illegal.

If you have noticed, Bombay doesn't have high building density compared to the dense areas in western cities. It is the population density which is higher. As the economy grows, population density will decrease as there will be higher per capita living space. That is exactly what is happening in Bombay. Island city has steady de-growth in population. Suburbs is growing at a very low rate. By next decade, suburbs will start de-growing.

In such a situation, Bombay will work well with an underground metro with high building density, and more open spaces (you would see this in island city; just consider imperial towers). Moreover, this high building density will help Bombay to cover almost 90% f the city with 3 metro lines.

I am happy that Line 2 got stuck. Now everyone knows the disadvantages of elevated metro. A delay of 5 years is far better than an ill-planned infra that is going to exist for centuries.
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Old March 8th, 2014, 10:21 AM   #10348
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Station being painted

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What are those vertical bars on the Platform level apart from the railings??Are those kept for covering it with glass or any other material,or else ads,else leave it like that...Someone please reply....
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Old March 8th, 2014, 10:51 AM   #10349
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That should be for the ads.
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Old March 8th, 2014, 12:44 PM   #10350
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Why r the bars off ?
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Old March 8th, 2014, 02:00 PM   #10351
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Completely agree with you, Indiadreams. I wish this metro line had been built underground - it would have been elegant, would have caused less chaos, and would have left the area as nice as it was before plus have a nice convenient metro line underneath for the public. Now, the place is a nightmarish mess. Hope they don't make this mistake with the other lines. Elevated lines just ruin the look and the area and make traffic a huge mess in congested Indian towns. Yes, the upfront cost is higher but this line is going to serve us for decades, so the cost is worth it compared to the alternative that they've saddled us with .
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Old March 8th, 2014, 03:16 PM   #10352
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Seriously this elevated metro has used up the limited space .. Plus gone over budget and 6-7 yrs to be completed .. Hope the bldgs near metro line go for redevelopment soon and make the area look cleaner safer and better ..

Look at the entry / exit points.. Didn't they have better architects to design them .. Looks like a village shop with shutters and all ..

Anyways thinking forward .. Hope all other lines .. Specially line 2 & 3 are built u/g .. Which will save the beautiful linking road in suburbs from being choked up !! Plus a better look to city ..
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Old March 8th, 2014, 06:54 PM   #10353
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Apart from the mess it has created , this line won't benefit people staying in NM .
I wonder what were they thinking when they decided on this alignment . Had they taken it up to Mankhurd it would have taken off a lot of load off the Harbour line
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Old March 8th, 2014, 08:07 PM   #10354
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MM I should be extended to Chembur

I really believe extending the MM- I to Chembur will do a lot of good. Basically if Chembur becomes a Mono/Harbour/Metro interchange - it would relieve some pressure off Kurla and some off Dadar too (especially when Mono starts going into the island city).

And the distance between the Ghatkopar station and chembur station is 3 kms. I imagine with the highway in between, there are less space restrictions. Further, no railway lines to construct over - or perhaps one bridge over CR would be needed.

Is there something we at SSC as a collective do about it?
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Old March 9th, 2014, 01:34 AM   #10355
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True .. Was just checking the map after your post .. It's mostly highway .. Won't be difficult ..
At the same time will help interchange between suburban / monorails and metro
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Old March 9th, 2014, 06:26 AM   #10356
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Mumbai's 'superfast' metros will only run at 50 kmph for now

Railway authorities reject Mumbai Metro One claim that the new trains will run at 90kmph, say Indian tracks may not be able to handle such speed. Short distances between stations is another reason — they say trains will not be able to pick up speed. Total journey time will now take at least seven minutes more than expected initially

It may look as swanky as the London underground and claim to be better than its Delhi counterpart, but the Mumbai metro won’t run any faster than 50 kilometres per hour. While travelling by Metro might still be a more convenient way for Mumbaiites to reach their destination — it won’t necessarily always be the fastest.



With the Versova-Andheri-Ghatkopar (VAG) route of the metro set to open soon, it has now emerged that there is a clear difference of opinion between the railway authorities and metro rail officials over the quality of tracks and the speed of the trains.

The crux of the matter
Recently the Research, Design and Standards Organisation (RDSO) of the Indian Railways inspected the Mumbai Metro tracks for several technical parametres. This is the same agency that sets standards and approves the quality of tracks, platform heights and even the kind of rakes that are to ply on the tracks. While the Mumbai Metro One Private Ltd (MMOPL), had said 90kmph would be the maximum speed for their metro trains, the RDSO has given permission for a maximum speed of only 50kmph for these trains. “We have permitted speeds of 50kmph for the time being,” said a RDSO official.
Sources said the organisation would monitor metro service for at least three months from the day it begins operations, before sanctioning a higher speed.

No speeding
The reason for curtailing the speed is due to the steel tracks and supporting infrastructure that have been constructed. “These tracks have been constructed based on European standards but we follow Indian Railway standards. The two have differences on several technical parameters, including the tolerance limit of tracks and even curves,” said a railway official.
Sources said that the tracks have been manufactured following the European norms, which is said to follow higher standards. While certifying the Metro rail, the officials are bit unsure whether these European Standards would actually be workable in Indian conditions.

Other side
A Mumbai Metro One spokesperson says, “RDSO is an Indian Railway organisation, which is familiar with our domestic standards and codes. Since MMOPL has constructed the tracks following global standards, therefore, RDSO is taking little more time in examining the same.”

A let down
According to metro rail officials, the difference of 40kmph on this 11-km route would make a huge difference to commuters. At 50kmph, commuters would lose a good seven minutes each way. The average distance between two Metro stations is just about 800meters to 1 km — another reason why the trains may not be able to pick up speed to the extent of 90kmph.

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Maximum speed for metro trains promised by Mumbai Metro One Private Ltd

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Old March 9th, 2014, 06:28 AM   #10357
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Metro III delayed as state clears proposal for financial restructuring

Sunday, 9 March 2014 - 6:00am IST | Place: Mumbai

Formation of new MMRCL board to take time, construction will start only next year.

Although the state has cleared the decks for a new board to construct the Colaba–Bandra–SEEPZ underground metro rail, the new board is yet to be formed, which means construction of the new corridor will commence only sometime next year.

As the approval came from the state cabinet only on February 26, the state is yet to appoint five directors in the financially restructured Mumbai Metro Rail Corporation Limited (MMRCL). MMRCL is a state government undertaking governed by the Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA).

"But that doesn't mean that no work will be done in the coming days. A decision on General Consultancy services will be taken sometime between the general and assembly elections," said UPS Madan, metropolitan commissioner of the MMRDA.

The Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA) has shortlisted four consortia that have bid for consultancy services for the underground metro corridor. These four consortia are led by AECOM Asia (Hong Kong), DB International (Germany), Geodata (Italy) and Oriental Consulting (Japan).

The consortium that will be entrusted with the consultancy will supervise the implementation, beginning from the evaluation of bids for the construction work and proof checking of designs, to environmental management, programme preparation and commissioning the rail corridor.

"Bids for the different types of construction work will be finalised after the assembly elections, by around November this year," added Madan. Last September, pre-qualification bids were floated to shortlist firms for the design and construction of underground stations and tunnels for the project. This corridor will be Mumbai's first underground metro with an estimated ridership of 16.99 lakh by 2031.

As per the plan, the project will be completed only in 2020. The estimated project cost for the 33.5km-long underground metro rail between Colaba to SEEPZ via Bandra has been pegged at Rs23,136 crore, which will be shared by the central government, the state government and MMRDA, with a loan from Japanese International Co-operation Agency (JICA), debts from state and central government institutions, the Mumbai International Airport Limited and through taxation on property development.

The construction of the metro line will result in 1,74,632 square meters of land (government and private plots, including 20,000 sq mts of open spaces) being used for the corridor permanently. An additional 19,033 sq mts will be used temporarily, only during the construction phase.

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Old March 9th, 2014, 06:35 AM   #10358
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There is so much resistance in accepting new things and technology among Indians, more so among the older generation. Be it monorail, funding models, or even a simple longitudinal seating in suburban trains (the reason quoted is pretty hilarious in this case). All the Govt organisations like IR, AAI, AI etc. are filled with older generation people. If there is some concern, they need to give a proper technical reason. The reason cant be a blanket statement like Europoean standards wont work in India or the floor in the suburban will break off etc..

ps: there are always exceptions; I was just talking about the majority
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Old March 9th, 2014, 06:44 AM   #10359
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Apart from the mess it has created , this line won't benefit people staying in NM .
I wonder what were they thinking when they decided on this alignment . Had they taken it up to Mankhurd it would have taken off a lot of load off the Harbour line
You may have to see the whole plan

1) At the time of planning, Andheri was not a big commercial district. In fact, if you go back to the initial days of this thread, many questioned the reason for choosing Andheri.

2) Line 2 was supposed to give harbour-central-western connection, which never took off. So, none at that time would have envisaged 2 connections for harbour-western lines, when most of the things were centered around SoBo

3) There was no fault of MMRDA/DMRC in selecting routes (not the mode). They selected routes just before the time Mumbai started rearranging its commercial districts. MMRDA quickly acknowledged this fact (to a large extent) and made the redundant Charkop-Colaba line to Charkop-Mankhurd line and made modifications to Line 3 to give a unique line passing through most of the business districts and airport.

4) One can argue that they could have extended Line 1 now as Line 2 didn't take off. But, being a technically difficult PPP project with many questions on viability of PPP model, it is not so easy to do it. The extension may happen, once this line stabilizes.

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Old March 9th, 2014, 06:50 AM   #10360
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Metro III delayed as state clears proposal for financial restructuring

Sunday, 9 March 2014 - 6:00am IST | Place: Mumbai

Formation of new MMRCL board to take time, construction will start only next year.

Although the state has cleared the decks for a new board to construct the Colaba–Bandra–SEEPZ underground metro rail, the new board is yet to be formed, which means construction of the new corridor will commence only sometime next year.

As the approval came from the state cabinet only on February 26, the state is yet to appoint five directors in the financially restructured Mumbai Metro Rail Corporation Limited (MMRCL). MMRCL is a state government undertaking governed by the Mumbai Metropolitan Region Development Authority (MMRDA).

"But that doesn't mean that no work will be done in the coming days. A decision on General Consultancy services will be taken sometime between the general and assembly elections," said UPS Madan, metropolitan commissioner of the MMRDA.



http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/repor...turing-1967936

I will give my 2 cents here. The board was already formed, if one can look at MMRC page in MMRDA. Centre insisted that the structure should be exact replica of DMRC, BMRCL, CMRL, JMRC etc, (another example of old generation mentality without logic). JICA didn't have any issues with the SPV structure. It is a small issue and in no way has any effect in starting the project.
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