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Old October 19th, 2009, 04:53 PM   #1341
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how many people do you think of the 6.6 million people who ride the railways in mumbai, do you think pay for their ticket?


I read a study a while back that 40% of the people dont pay for tickets on the suburban railway. A vast majority of those, cant afford the ticket prices as they are poor.

You think slum dwellers can afford the tickets or they bother to pay?


Even when travelling by first class I have come across so many students for colleges who dont bother paying............


Mark my words, the poor will not travel via the metro is the ticket collections and observances are good enough.

For eg if a poor dude has to travel from say Bhandup to Andheri, he will spend more time and go via dadar than the new route.

All the metros are doing is giving people who can afford it an option to save time and a relatively more comfortable ride.
Boss, railway ki system dekhi hai kya? Anyone can enter the platform and get into the trains anytime without paying the ticket. No sort of management or checking on the passengers at all. Metro is going to be more efficient. If they bring in a check in system where they have to insert their ticket to enter a platform in a machine (I think Delhi metro has a similar system), its going to be more efficient than the suburban railways. Aur boss, who doesn't want a more comfortable and a faster system? People are going to use metro.
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Old October 19th, 2009, 05:07 PM   #1342
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I was at both Grant Rd and Mahalaxmi stations recently. When you walk in, you find some sort of electronic map. This thing seems to sell tickets, but I wasn't too sure on how to use it. It is very easy to just walk onto any train, and this is the the problem that will keep Mumbai locals making less than they can. If they maybe install these vending machine type systems at the entrance and then have some sort of ticket collector/automatic collector that actually is the only way to pass onto the platform, then we can avoid this problem.

Also, does anyone have the number for SMSing CR complaints?
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Old October 19th, 2009, 05:26 PM   #1343
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It is not a ticket vending machine.

The number is: 9004411111.
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Old October 19th, 2009, 07:40 PM   #1344
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Metro is meant for the middle/upper middle class to begin with. It will take a lot of load from roads. It will eventually cover the rest of polulation, when the standard of living improves.
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Old October 19th, 2009, 07:46 PM   #1345
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I agree with you. If all lines go as planned, lets say that takes 15 years, by that point traffic will be much less, Western Freeway will have been extended if not completed, BEST will have separate corridors on these major expressways, standard of living will be up, Navi Mumbai Airport will be ready (so not all traffic will be directed at Andheri, maybe people will migrate from suburbs to mainland), WR/CR and harbor lines will all have longer AC local trains, doubling/quadrupling/etc of tracks will be pretty much done, the signalling system will be improved, stations will be improved, maybe SATIS will be completed, and maybe there will be some new terminus outside of Mumbai for high-speed rail.

Let's hope for the best.
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Old October 20th, 2009, 03:55 AM   #1346
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Boss, railway ki system dekhi hai kya?


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Anyone can enter the platform and get into the trains anytime without paying the ticket. No sort of management or checking on the passengers at all. Metro is going to be more efficient. If they bring in a check in system where they have to insert their ticket to enter a platform in a machine (I think Delhi metro has a similar system), its going to be more efficient than the suburban railways.
Yes. One has to show the token/smart card at the AFC (automatic fare collection) gates at the concourse level and can only then proceed for platform level.

BTW even after installing such a system, how can one ensure that people do not board and alight from the train outside the station, on the tracks if the speed is very low at a particular time. Metro is grade separated so that issue does not arises there. In Delhi, local trains run on the shared tracks and therefore have to slow down or stop on the tracks, esp. while approaching a major junction. I hope that this would be very uncommon in Mumbai but still there is some possibility.
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Old October 20th, 2009, 05:22 AM   #1347
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Closed doors with AC solves all problems
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Old October 20th, 2009, 11:24 AM   #1348
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Boss, railway ki system dekhi hai kya? Anyone can enter the platform and get into the trains anytime without paying the ticket. No sort of management or checking on the passengers at all. Metro is going to be more efficient. If they bring in a check in system where they have to insert their ticket to enter a platform in a machine (I think Delhi metro has a similar system), its going to be more efficient than the suburban railways. Aur boss, who doesn't want a more comfortable and a faster system? People are going to use metro.
your re enforcing my point. The poor dont travel with tickets. They will avoid the metro and use the suburban......
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Old October 20th, 2009, 01:34 PM   #1349
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Closed doors with AC solves all problems
But that's not possible for at least next 20 years coz railways is introducing new rakes. They are not going to replace them before their useful life ends.
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Old October 20th, 2009, 07:00 PM   #1350
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Maybe they can install doors/AC on these new rakes sometime sooner?
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Old October 20th, 2009, 07:12 PM   #1351
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Middle class and even upper middle class in the suburbs use suburban railway. If they build the parallel North South Metro, I believe there will be atleast 25% reduction in the suburban trains. Once the crowd gets reduced, they can enforce strict regulations for ticketless travels and start introducing trains with closed doors and AC. But all this depends on faster implementation of Metro.
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Old October 20th, 2009, 10:25 PM   #1352
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Maybe they can install doors/AC on these new rakes sometime sooner?
Such kind of retro-fitting is not practically possible for current rakes
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Old October 21st, 2009, 03:26 AM   #1353
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If it isn't possible, we need to stop production and implementation of these cars. Half the deaths that occur on the trains are from people falling out especially during rush hours. Doesn't this mean anything to people? Maybe HT should do an article about this rather than attacking every aspect of the CWG.
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Old October 21st, 2009, 05:40 AM   #1355
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Old October 21st, 2009, 07:03 AM   #1356
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the point is the poor are not going to use the metro.
If it is affordable, they will.
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Old October 21st, 2009, 08:11 AM   #1357
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If it isn't possible, we need to stop production and implementation of these cars. Half the deaths that occur on the trains are from people falling out especially during rush hours. Doesn't this mean anything to people? Maybe HT should do an article about this rather than attacking every aspect of the CWG.
As per today's news item in TOI, ICF is applying for guiness record, as it is going to complete building 1000 new trains in a short period of time. So no scope of preventing this. But anyway, closed door is not practicaly feasible until the crowd is reduced. It is worth changing the rakes, even if it is for 10 years. The old ones are pathetic with no announcements and stinking paan stains.
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Old October 21st, 2009, 06:35 PM   #1358
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If it isn't possible, we need to stop production and implementation of these cars. Half the deaths that occur on the trains are from people falling out especially during rush hours. Doesn't this mean anything to people? Maybe HT should do an article about this rather than attacking every aspect of the CWG.
Rightly said. They shouldn't have introduced such rakes at all, they are just a notch better than previous ones. They haven't thought of future at all. By 2030, India's GDP will be about 5 times of the present, i.e., the country and the cities will change drastically. Just imagine how these rakes would look like in 2030's Mumbai.

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Old October 22nd, 2009, 01:23 AM   #1359
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Old October 22nd, 2009, 07:05 PM   #1360
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Mumbai is no differnt from anywhere else.Like BKK , the metro/monorail was actually empty for the first few weeks.Folk didnt want to part with the extra baht. , then 20 b instead of 6b
Now its choka.
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