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Old February 17th, 2008, 08:30 AM   #1
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Supertall...

When is Vancouver getting one
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Old February 17th, 2008, 08:49 AM   #2
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Never, unless view cones are abolished or exceptions are made.
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Old February 17th, 2008, 09:10 AM   #3
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Whats the current height limit in Vancouver right now for buildings?
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Old February 17th, 2008, 10:31 AM   #4
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^ it varies between areas. Shangri-la and Ritz Carlton's sites are up to 600 feet, but the Shangri-la was given an extra 50-foot allowance in height to 650 feet.

There is every indication that the city is working on eliminating some of these height restrictions.

Current view cones and height limits:
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Old February 17th, 2008, 11:18 AM   #5
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Thanks for this interesting schema mr.x
I think it would be time for Vancouver to increase some of its height limits in downtown. Maybe not for a "supertall", but a couple of 700 to 800 feet buildings would be welcome in the skyline.
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Does Van needs supertalls?! I personally don't think so!
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Old February 17th, 2008, 08:35 PM   #7
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I wouldn't want a supertall just like that; I would love to see at least half a dozen 700 footers first sorta like a gradual vertical shift of all the buildings in Vancouver.
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Old February 17th, 2008, 10:05 PM   #8
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Does Van needs supertalls?! I personally don't think so!
Vancouver's downtown is running out of space, meaning the only place to go now is UP.
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Old February 17th, 2008, 10:35 PM   #9
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Vancouver's downtown is running out of space, meaning the only place to go now is UP.
That's when you have to decide to develop other areas than the city core and decide to renovate some low rise street. I understand the need for space and this is a skyscraper forum after all. But Vancouver is going to reach the limit of the system one day whether it's in time of housing, retail or office space.
Super talls are iconic can they solve the problem of space shortage yes they can on the short term and no they can't on the long term.

Vancouver downtown will run out of space, that's a fact that cannot be prevented if you want to keep part of the city's soul. Some will have to be ok not living, working, selling or buying in the core. Maybe it's time to go and rezone Granville South, Cambie, Oak, East Hastings, part of Arbutus, Main, Kerrisdale... with more mid rise and high rise!

This is just my humble opinion. I maybe wrong!
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Old February 17th, 2008, 11:22 PM   #10
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That's when you have to decide to develop other areas than the city core and decide to renovate some low rise street. I understand the need for space and this is a skyscraper forum after all. But Vancouver is going to reach the limit of the system one day whether it's in time of housing, retail or office space.
Super talls are iconic can they solve the problem of space shortage yes they can on the short term and no they can't on the long term.

Vancouver downtown will run out of space, that's a fact that cannot be prevented if you want to keep part of the city's soul. Some will have to be ok not living, working, selling or buying in the core. Maybe it's time to go and rezone Granville South, Cambie, Oak, East Hastings, part of Arbutus, Main, Kerrisdale... with more mid rise and high rise!

This is just my humble opinion. I maybe wrong!
^ you're right, but building taller should be our first step towards this space shortage problem. This is what we will be doing in order:

1) Taller buildings in downtown; removal of some height restrictions. This is happening as we speak.

2) Expansion of downtown into the Downtown Eastside; relaxing of height restrictions in Downtown Eastside as well. Higher density residential developments in and around Chinatown as well. This is happening as we speak as Concord Pacific has already snapped up at least 12 parcels of land in the Downtown Eastside, some of which are entire city blocks in size, for future condo/office tower redevelopment after 2010. The city is also looking at relaxing height limits.

3) More focus in growth along Central Broadway, which is technically part of Downtown according to the City and Metro Vancouver. Central Broadway and Downtown are together known as the "Metropolitan Core."



With regards to Granville South, Cambie, Oak, East Hastings, part of Arbutus, Main, Kerrisdale, Oakridge, Kingsway, etc....those areas will probably be densified under the City's EcoDensity program, if it is fully realized. Though you shouldn't expect to see 20-storey towers in these areas because of it. You're looking at more like 5-10 storey mid-rises, with the odd 20-storey tower, and townhouses. However, this growth outside of Downtown is separate from the needs of Downtown.
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Old February 18th, 2008, 01:41 AM   #11
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Vancouver's downtown is running out of space, meaning the only place to go now is UP.
Thank you for the logic.

And to what the other poster suggested, you cant put high rises in neighborhoods like south Granville because you will destroy the view for people even worse than if you were to build supertalls in downtown.
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Old February 18th, 2008, 03:39 AM   #12
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Vancouver won't get a supertall probably ever.
Most supertalls are primarily for office space/residential.
As much as Vancouverites hate to admit it, Vancouver on a world scale is a small city both in population and economic influence.
Vancouver is a decidedly branch-plant city. No one will be build a tower that large as they require a good chunk to be filled as one primary employer and Vancouver is not enough of a business centre to qualify for such needs.

None of Canada's top 25 TSX companies are based in Vancouver.
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Old February 18th, 2008, 04:02 AM   #13
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"None of Canada's top 25 TSX companies are based in Vancouver."

That is sooooooooooo sad.

Dismal...Absolutely dismal!

Guess city council was too busy debating Vancouver's official stance on the war in Iraq to do anything about it. :

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Old February 18th, 2008, 04:21 AM   #14
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Does Van needs supertalls?! I personally don't think so!
Well, I don't think anyone really NEEDS supertalls. I mean does Dubai really need Burj-Al-Dubai?

But yeah, Vancouver could definitely stand to improve its verticality. Several 700 footers should be in order.
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Old February 18th, 2008, 07:27 AM   #15
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at least you guys have tall buildings to look at.
venture anywhere else in bc and you've got mountains only.
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Old February 18th, 2008, 04:26 PM   #16
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Vancouver won't get a supertall probably ever.
Most supertalls are primarily for office space/residential.
As much as Vancouverites hate to admit it, Vancouver on a world scale is a small city both in population and economic influence.
Vancouver is a decidedly branch-plant city. No one will be build a tower that large as they require a good chunk to be filled as one primary employer and Vancouver is not enough of a business centre to qualify for such needs.

None of Canada's top 25 TSX companies are based in Vancouver.
A purely residential supertall would sell like hot cakes
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Old February 18th, 2008, 09:23 PM   #17
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A purely residential supertall would sell like hot cakes
Really? Who would be stupid enough to live on the first floor? Not me!
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Old February 18th, 2008, 10:56 PM   #18
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1) Taller buildings in downtown; removal of some height restrictions. This is happening as we speak.
And any idea what are these new height restrictions downtown? And which part of downtown could have higher buildings?
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Old February 18th, 2008, 11:12 PM   #19
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And any idea what are these new height restrictions downtown? And which part of downtown could have higher buildings?
No idea, but it'll be the Central Business District and the Downtown Eastside - possibly a wall of 15-storey buildings in the DTES, very Asian and European-like.
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Old February 21st, 2008, 06:01 AM   #20
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maybe one of the suburbs will get it

Surrey had an 80 storey proprosal
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