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Old May 16th, 2005, 12:29 PM   #1
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Which cities contributes the most

Which cities contributes the most to the U.K. economy. Can you give facts and figures. No city bashing or arguing PLEASE!! just facts and figures. I know London will be at the top, but by what percentage, and what percentage are the other cities.

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Old May 16th, 2005, 12:36 PM   #2
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http://www.theyworkforyou.com/wrans/...01-19.209494.h

says London contributes 16.3% to the UK economy as of 2003. Blimey

Not sure on the others.
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Old May 16th, 2005, 12:42 PM   #3
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London's population is about 12.5% of the UK population, so not actually as high as I thought it would be.

This is going to end up a massive arguement about what do you count as a city,I'm guessing someone will post a long list, in which Manchester will appear a very long way down the list.

At which point, EB will join in by saying the 'Manchester Metro' (TM pending) has in fact got the largest poductivity in the world, and it is also growing faster than anywhere else.

What may be a more interesting way of doing it, would be to see what the percentage of UK GDP is, compared to the percentage of population of the UK that live in the area in question.
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Old May 16th, 2005, 01:06 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by Nobby
This is going to end up a massive arguement about what do you count as a city,I'm guessing someone will post a long list, in which Manchester will appear a very long way down the list.

At which point, EB will join in by saying the 'Manchester Metro' (TM pending) has in fact got the largest poductivity in the world, and it is also growing faster than anywhere else.
And then Leeds No 1 will join in the argument when he gets in from school and a series of endless and ridiculous statistics will be spouted by both parties. Yawn!
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Old May 16th, 2005, 01:18 PM   #5
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I do think H No1 should stay clear of the Sunny D, it does seem to make him hyperactive.
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Old May 16th, 2005, 03:19 PM   #6
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Well, city council website says:

Manchester is the commercial, financial, educational and cultural capital of the UK's largest economic region outside London. The city that pioneered free trade, economic liberalism and the Co-operative movement is now an international city-region of some 2.57 million people.

The Greater Manchester metropolitan area covers 1,286 square kilometres of land. The conurbation is made up of the two cities of Manchester and Salford, and the metropolitan boroughs of Bolton, Bury, Oldham, Rochdale, Stockport, Tameside, Trafford and Wigan.

In its own right, it is a large consumer and business market, containing 998,000 households, with a workforce of 1,190,000 people and a GDP of £18 billion. But as a regional capital, Manchester stands at the centre of the North West, an area with seven million residents and 2.5 million households with an annual disposable income of £43 billion and a GDP of £67 billion. The region is also home to over 157,000 companies and businesses. It is well placed to reach markets further afield as over twenty million of the UK's population live within two hours driving time of the city.
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Old May 16th, 2005, 03:23 PM   #7
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Cue H No1...
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Wierd, Salford City Council website says:

Greater Manchester itself is a large consumer and business market in its own right, with a population of 2.5 million, a workforce of 1.2 million and a GDP of £28 billion (US $41 billion). This represents around 38% of the regional GDP of £75 billion.

One has got it wrong.
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Old May 16th, 2005, 03:41 PM   #9
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I think that the MCC one is wrong and a typo. The Office of the Deputy Prime Minister website says:

The region generates around £76 billion in GDP (11% of UK's GDP) but there has been a decline in traditional manufacturing, engineering and shipping industries. Whilst parts of the region, notably Cheshire, the south of Greater Manchester, Liverpool and Manchester city centres are experiencing continued growth, many older urban areas have diminished and this has contributed to a legacy of deprivation in some areas.

So Gtr Manchester it seems produces 38% of 11% of the UK GDP! which would be a grand total of 4.18% compared to London's 16.3%
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Old May 16th, 2005, 03:43 PM   #10
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Fucks sake he said no city bashing in the first post yet some idiots are already off topic... JUST DROP IT.

I feel sorry for the non UK members who have to put up with this shit.
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Old May 16th, 2005, 03:47 PM   #11
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Who is city bashing?
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Nobody is, I never said they were..

But people are alredy going off topic saying I bet EB will come and do this, Leeds No1 will do this bla bla... Its got nothing to do with the thread and it will only encourage them to actually come and do it. Its pointless.
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Old May 16th, 2005, 04:43 PM   #13
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Uk total GVA - £952 Billion/ UK total Population - 59.6 million

Regional GVA as percentage of total/percentage total population = GVA per capita

North East 3.9%/4.3% = £32b/2.6million = £12,308 per capita
North West 10.3%/11.4% = £98b/6.8million = £14,412 per capita
Yorks & Humber 7.5%/8.4% = £71.5b/5million = £14,300

East Midlands 6.5%/7.1% = £62b/4million = £15,500
West Midlands 8.1%/8.9% = £77b/5.3million = £14,528

East Anglia 10%/9.2% = £95b/5.5million = £17,273
London 16.3%/12.4% = £155.2b/7.4million = £20,973
South East 15.6%/13.6% = £148.5b/8.1million = £18,333
South West 7.9%/8.4% = £75.2b/5million = £15,040

Scotland 8.1%/8.5% = £77b/4.8million = £16,042
Wales 3.9%/4.9% = £37.1b/2.6million = £14,269
N Ireland 2.4%/2.9% = £22.9b/1.7million = £13,470

Regions in order of Prosperity:

Average GVA per capita: £15,537. those below average, marked in RED.

London +£5,436
South East +£2,796
East Anglia +£1,736
Scotland +£505
East Midlands -£37
South West -£497
West Midlands -£1,009
North West -£1,125
Yorks & Humber -£1,237
Wales -£1,268
N Ireland -£2,067
North East -£3,229

=> Combined wealth of 4 most prosperous regions = wealth of remaining regions.

Combined Wealth of 4 most prosperous regions = £476billion
Combined wealth of remaining 8 regions = £476billion
Total = £952 billion
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Old May 16th, 2005, 06:07 PM   #14
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oh dear, I think stats like this make me even more mad when we have the government funding, huge costly infrastructure improvements in London and the SE, e.g. CTRL, Crossrail and Jubilee Line, when the rest of the country ends up srambling around for the crumbs that fall from the table.

Sure,if as a country we are happy to contiue to make the economy of the south east and London continue, in an ever increasing way to have to support the rest of the country, then continue as we are, but if we want the regions to be able to 'pay there way' then a bit of the cash the government spend in the first place needs to come out to the regions.
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Old May 16th, 2005, 06:50 PM   #15
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Seriously, though - I think it's difficult to gauge which region contributes the most. Does it mean generates the most money, brings in the most tourists, offers the best cultural options?
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If it's possible to guage in terms of GDP in the country as a whole, surely it is possible to break it down into smaller areas?

Be Happy tried it with regions, but the original question was about cities. I tried, although I must admit, not very hard, but ATM in answer to the original question we have:

London 16.3%
Manchester 4.18%

And yes, of course the question is about money, that it why he said "the most to the U.K. economy", cultural happenings contribute to the economy you know, be it a free art gallery or a football stadium. He's on about everything.
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Old May 17th, 2005, 12:59 AM   #19
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Economically: London, Manchester/Birmingham (not sure of the order of the last two)
Culturally: Manchester/Liverpool, London (not sure of the order of the first two)
Tourism: London, Edinburgh, Manchester (don't know this years figures yet, last two may have changed)
Infrastructure: London, Manchester, Glasgow

Regardless of the final order of the above, it's my opinion that those are the top three cities in each category. The first and thired will be borne out by statistics. I think the overall conclusion as to the cities that contribute most can quite easy be drawn from this though.
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City GDP/Capita

UK GDP: c£1,000b UK GDP/capita=£16,779

Cities below average mared in RED

London £29,090 +£12,311
Edinburgh £24,052 +£7,273
Glasgow £21,905 +£5,126
Bristol £20,219 +£3,440
Leeds £17,592 +£813
Birmingham £15,155 -£1,624
Manchester £14,489 -£2,290
Newcastle £14,077 -£2,702
Liverpool £11,307 -£5,472

Using the following population fugures to work out percentage of total GDP, we get:

Greater London 7,172,091 = £209b = c21%
Glasgow 629,501 = £13b = c1.3%
Birmingham 977,087 = £15b = c1.5%
Edinburgh 448,624 = £11 = c1.1%
Leeds 466,891 = £8b = c0.8%
Manchester 422,000 = £6b = c0.6%
Liverpool 439,473 = £5b = c0.5%
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