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Old December 5th, 2015, 08:43 PM   #241
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"Once thought extinct, the very rare and very tentative urban visions crane has begun appearing in the Seattle region. With protections, it is hoped that its range can increase and mating stock improve as specimens grow bigger and bigger"
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Old December 6th, 2015, 01:09 AM   #242
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Now about that other parking lot just northeast of the park (which has a nice*ghost sign*advertising the ferry sysetm)...what to do with it? I'd like a nice lowrise (fit in a rooftop bar and you have a hit) to preserve the ghost sign (which will need to be covered and carefully watched during any kind of construction), but anything to replace that parking lot.
On the first post of this thread the original rendering of this project shows an eight story building there, I think that would be perfect. I like the ghost sign it's cool but I would be fine with it being covered by a building with much needed housing for this area, activate the square all day with a multitude of uses. Leave an alley where people can see the sign, let the tourists believe they discovered a seattle relic.
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Old December 6th, 2015, 01:39 AM   #243
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I didn't see this posted anywhere on here yet, but according to the building website....

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6,998 sf and features an entrance off Occidental Avenue and an additional off of S. Washington St. This suite is divisible down to 2,500 sf.

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2,294 sf space leased by Cherry Street Coffee House. Cherry Street Coffee House is an award winning local café with approximately 14 Seattle locations.

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7,768 sf and features two entrances: one on Occidental Avenue and one on S. Main St.
The middle and smallest retail spot will be a coffee shop.
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Old December 6th, 2015, 07:40 AM   #244
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Cherry Street is becoming a player in the neighborhood. They've been involved in the purchase of two buildings on 1st Avenue and have plans for several new coffee shops in the neighborhood. Didn't know about the Weyerhaeuser shop, however. Thanks!
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Old December 6th, 2015, 10:12 AM   #245
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"Once thought extinct, the very rare and very tentative urban visions crane has begun appearing in the Seattle region. With protections, it is hoped that its range can increase and mating stock improve as specimens grow bigger and bigger"
It's been heard there is an 880 ft specimen that eludes physical evidence of existence... Perhaps one day someone might fortunate to capture this magnificent creature in it's natural habit at 888 Second Ave.

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Old December 7th, 2015, 04:02 AM   #246
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It's been heard there is an 880 ft specimen that eludes physical evidence of existence... Perhaps one day someone might fortunate to capture this magnificent creature in it's natural habit at 888 Second Ave.

Once thought of only as myth and legend, the recent sightings of nesting spots of the larger "2nd and Pike" variety give crane watchers hope that such a beast as large as the "888 Second Ave" may some day be documented.
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Old December 7th, 2015, 04:34 AM   #247
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Once thought of only as myth and legend, the recent sightings of nesting spots of the larger "2nd and Pike" variety give crane watchers hope that such a beast as large as the "888 Second Ave" may some day be documented.
The fossilized fledgling at Potala is an ominous warning for us to nurture this creature is nurtured into maturity.
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Old December 10th, 2015, 09:45 PM   #248
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200 Occidental under construction by SounderBruce, on Flickr


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Old December 21st, 2015, 01:17 AM   #249
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Old December 21st, 2015, 10:10 AM   #250
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Dumb question time: Does the value of a mid rise office building differ significantly when it is concrete construction versus steel framed construction?

I know, no dumb questions, just dumb people asking them.
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Old December 21st, 2015, 04:56 PM   #251
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It can be very close, and depends greatly on cost trends.

The choice of steel vs. concrete and the myriad options within each category is often made well into the design process. Factors can include:
--Cost
--Time needed to buy, mill, and deliver steel plus associated risk of being late
--Same on the concrete side, as concrete procures more quickly but takes longer to build.
--Building height. Steel will usually takes more space vertically (concrete can have beams too though). With a height limit it's often more important to get another floor in.
--Structural qualities. Labs can be vibration sensitive. Residential likes quiet. Both favor concrete. (Steel buildings will have think topped slabs over metal deck.)
--Connections to exterior cladding. I don't know anything useful but it'll be a factor.
--Building weight. Steel is lighter.
--Long spans and odd architecture. Steel can do odd/unusual designs more easily with less 3D space and cost in many cases.

And so on.
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Old December 21st, 2015, 11:35 PM   #252
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Mhays nails it as usual.

I'll add that you'd be surprised how poorly versed the investment side is in the engineering nuances of steel vs. concrete construction. In general, concrete is the preferred construction type in the investment world, but I think thats primarily driven by the assumption that it represents higher quality and that tenants who want open ceilings prefer seeing slabs rather than corrugated metal.

I truly believe that most investors, to the extent the exact same rents and operating costs could be generated per square foot, would not differentiate between construction types when pricing similarly sized and situated assets of each type, for better or worse.
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Old December 22nd, 2015, 07:30 PM   #253
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Thank you. Just planning my investment portfolio that will never occur. Fantasy real estate mogul and all.
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Old December 27th, 2015, 11:11 PM   #254
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Old December 28th, 2015, 11:49 PM   #255
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So happy about this one, it's going to transform the square and surrounding area. After it only a couple small lots here and there (not including the Seattle hotel/sinking battleship, which is an entire other story) then Pioneer Square will be as close to a completely built out neighborhood as we have.
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Old January 26th, 2016, 10:23 PM   #256
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Old February 1st, 2016, 06:26 PM   #257
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200 Occidental is about as tall as its surrounding buildings now. Taken from the top of King Street Station:

20160130_142642 by Kevin Duffy-Greaves, on Flickr
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Cladding is starting!
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