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Old October 2nd, 2017, 03:20 PM   #9501
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Wind back your ego. It's not personal. But calling me a POS - yeah that reflects poorly on you champ.

When this thread moves into hypothetical discussions about network changes that will never, ever happen, it's all pointless. I'd rather the subject stayed relevant.
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Old October 2nd, 2017, 11:23 PM   #9502
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Relax, it could have meant any of the following........

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POS Parent(s) Over Shoulder (chat)
POS Point-Of-Sale
POS Positive
POS Program of Study
POS Plan d'Occupation des Sols (French: Estate Layout Policy)
POS Proof of Service (legal form)
POS PPP Over SONET
POS Probability Of Success
POS Public Opinion Strategies
POS Public Open Space (UK)
POS Polytechnische Oberschule (Germany)
POS Personal Operating Space (IEEE 802.15 TG1)
PoS Priory of Sion
POS Probability of Survival
POS Product of Sums
POS Public Offering Statement (bond financing)
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POS Palliative Care Outcome Scale (clinical outcome measurement)
POS Plasma Opening Switch
POS Place of Skulls (band)
POS Player Owned Station (Eve-Online MMORPG)
POS Pennsylvania Orthopaedic Society
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POS Project Overview Statement
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POS Prince of Space (movie)
POS Perspectives on Slavistics (linguistic conference)
POS Port Of Spain, Trinidad, Trinidad And Tobago - Piarco International Airport (Airport Code)
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POS Prime Orbital System (gaming)
POS Plant Operating Specification
POS Path-Over-SONET (synchronous optical network)
POS Portable Oxygen Subsystem
POS Procedings of Science
POS Purchased Operator Service
POS Process Override Switch
POS Programmable Object/Option Select
POS Pre-Operational Support (US DoD)
POS Philosophy of Science
POS Pivoting Optical Servo
POS Polar Orbiting Satellite
POS Physician Order Sheet (healthcare)
POS Pain of Salvation (band)
POS Positive Organizational Scholarship
POS Policyowner Service (insurance industry)
POS Plan Obligatorio de Salud (Spanish; Colombia)
POS Partially Ordered Set (abstract algebra)
POS Political Opportunity Structure
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Old October 2nd, 2017, 11:41 PM   #9503
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Old October 3rd, 2017, 12:58 AM   #9504
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Wow.
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Old October 3rd, 2017, 01:35 AM   #9505
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Please can we talk about public transport?
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Old October 3rd, 2017, 01:37 AM   #9506
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Which is why it makes sense to convert them too, since it would leave the entire regional network SG. The majority of the Melbourne suburban network would remain broad gauge, simply because leaving it would be cheaper than wholesale conversion...
That's a massive undertaking. Any idea what the cost might be? I'd assume that gauge conversion would be undertaken at the same time as electrification, resignalling and any new alignments required. But what are the economics of this given they are investing big time in new VLocity sets?

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Standard gauge - there's no need for it to go beyond Southern Cross, other than to continue through FSS to the southeast.
I don't quite get what route you're proposing here. Are you saying a new regional standard gauge line for the Geelong route through Fishermans Bend then to Southern Cross? If so, are you saying you don't need to extend the proposed second Metro Tunnel from FB west through to Newport, i.e. the regional services will take all this traffic?

If so, I see a lot of people wanting to change at Newport or Werribee for an regional express service to the CBD via FB. I can't see this working, so you'll need to interleave express Metro services in to take the suburban traffic, that would have to be standard gauge and probably run beyond SC northwards to a balancing suburban route, e.g. Craigieburn?

In fact, I see value in making many more Vline service run through the CBD, and a new standard gauge route from SC through FB will allow this. It helps balance demand flows, and improves track/platform utilisation at SC as the services will run through.

An option for the FB route is to have mixed gauge in the tunnel under the Yarra, with the regional and Metro tracks splitting off at the portals to segregate the routes...
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Old October 4th, 2017, 04:03 PM   #9507
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I was in Beaumaris today and observed a few 600/922/923 buses. Seemed to be pretty average patronage on these services despite the far above average level of service.

Why is that? Wrong demographic for public transport use? Or the ridiculous routing of the three services through Beaumaris putting people off?

15 minutely on weekdays and 20 minutely weekends with buses until 12:30am Mon-Sat and 11pm Sunday is pretty good compared to nearly all other suburban routes! Runs later on a Sunday than any SmartBus does but some would have correctly guessed why this route is so well serviced.

Sadly until about 15 years ago this corridor used to be just one frequent route (the 600) but some idiot decided it was a smart idea to merge two local granny runs into the through service. What's the point of the 922 through the golf courses which runs every 60-80 minutes or so?
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Old October 4th, 2017, 11:23 PM   #9508
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I was in Beaumaris today and observed a few 600/922/923 buses. Seemed to be pretty average patronage on these services despite the far above average level of service.

Why is that? Wrong demographic for public transport use? Or the ridiculous routing of the three services through Beaumaris putting people off?

15 minutely on weekdays and 20 minutely weekends with buses until 12:30am Mon-Sat and 11pm Sunday is pretty good compared to nearly all other suburban routes! Runs later on a Sunday than any SmartBus does but some would have correctly guessed why this route is so well serviced.

Sadly until about 15 years ago this corridor used to be just one frequent route (the 600) but some idiot decided it was a smart idea to merge two local granny runs into the through service. What's the point of the 922 through the golf courses which runs every 60-80 minutes or so?
Also, some genius decided to call those minor 600 variations routes 922 & 923, for no other reason than the old routes they replaces were bits of the 822 & 823. (The Hampton / Brighton bit of the 922 was previously a continuation of the present 822, and the Beaumaris bits of the 922 / 923 were both 823 as a crappy circular route.

Because having three near identical routes 600, 922, 923, is so much more user friendly than calling them 600, 601, 602 (and yes, both those numbers were spare at the time).




https://static.ptv.vic.gov.au/siteas...00-922-923.pdf
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Old October 7th, 2017, 07:37 AM   #9509
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Was there something funny in the water down at the Crackbong Tranzit depot last night?

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- THE FOLLOWING SERVICES HAVE BEEN CANCELLED TODAY -

14:00 - 792 CRANBOURNE STATION TO BOTANIC RIDGE
14:46 - 792 BOTANIC RIDGE TO CRANBOURNE STATION
15:20 - 792 CRANBOURNE STATION TO BOTANIC RIDGE
15:21 - 893 CRANBOURNE S/C TO DANDENONG STATION
15:48 - 898 CRANBOURNE S/C TO CRANBOURNE STATION
16:00 - 791 CRANBOURNE STATION TO FRANKSTON STATION
16:06 - 792 BOTANIC RIDGE TO CRANBOURNE STATION
16:21 - 893 CRANBOURNE S/C TO DANDENONG STATION
16:45 - 789 FRANKSTON STATION TO LANGWARRIN NORTH
16:55 - 895 NARRE WARREN SOUTH TO NARRE WARREN STATION
17:11 - 895 NARRE WARREN STATION TO NARRE WARREN SOUTH
17:23 - 790 LANGWARRIN SOUTH TO FRANKSTON STATION
17:35 - 894 NARRE WARREN SOUTH TO HALLAM STATION
17:45 - 892 CASEY CENTRAL S/C TO DANDENONG STATION
17:51 - 894 HALLAM STATION TO NARRE WARREN SOUTH
17:56 - 791 FRANKSTON STATION TO CRANBOURNE STATION
17:59 - 897 CRANBOURNE S/C TO CLYDE
18:17 - 897 CLYDE TO LYNBROOK STATION
18:35 - 895 NARRE WARREN SOUTH TO FOUNTAIN GATE S/C
18:38 - 893 DANDENONG STATION TO CRANBOURNE S/C
18:42 - 898 CRANBOURNE STATION TO CRANBOURNE EAST
19:04 - 898 CRANBOURNE EAST TO CRANBOURNE STATION
19:07 - 895 FOUNTAIN GATE S/C TO NARRE WARREN SOUTH
19:12 - 796 CRANBOURNE STATION TO CLYDE
19:15 - 791 CRANBOURNE STATION TO FRANKSTON STATION
19:29 - 798 CRANBOURNE S/C TO SELANDRA RISE
19:35 - 898 CRANBOURNE STATION TO CRANBOURNE EAST
19:37 - 796 CLYDE TO CRANBOURNE STATION
19:55 - 898 CRANBOURNE STATION TO CRANBOURNE EAST
20:00 - 798 SELANDRA RISE TO CRANBOURNE S/C
20:04 - 898 CRANBOURNE EAST TO CRANBOURNE STATION
20:06 - 791 CRANBOURNE STATION TO FRANKSTON STATION
20:34 - 898 CRANBOURNE EAST TO CRANBOURNE STATION
20:35 - 791 CRANBOURNE STATION TO FRANKSTON STATION
20:36 - 790 LANGWARRIN SOUTH TO FRANKSTON STATION
20:58 - 791 CRANBOURNE STATION TO FRANKSTON STATION
21:05 - 790 FRANKSTON STATION TO LANGWARRIN SOUTH
21:20 - 791 FRANKSTON STATION TO CRANBOURNE STATION
21:40 - 791 FRANKSTON STATION TO CRANBOURNE STATION

WE APOLOGIZE FOR ANY INCONVENIENCE CAUSED BY THESE CANCELLATIONS.
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Old October 21st, 2017, 07:44 AM   #9510
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Fishermans Bend Integrated Transport Plan has been released:

http://www.fishermansbend.vic.gov.au...Final.docx.pdf
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Old October 21st, 2017, 01:09 PM   #9511
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Thanks pdoff.

In terms of heavy rail, a range of routes was assessed, but they all share the same N-S alignment though Southern Cross, rather than the E-W alignment for MM2 in the PTV Plan.

Strange. Infrastructure Victoria assessed MM2, but this route option wasn't even costed. The Aecom study only costed the E-W route through Southern Cross.

So, have the planners now ditched MM2 running E-W through Southern Cross?
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Old October 21st, 2017, 01:37 PM   #9512
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Thankfully Napthine's "Melbourne Rail Link" from the 2014 election campaign was not one of the options considered

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Old October 22nd, 2017, 01:06 AM   #9513
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Thanks pdoff.

In terms of heavy rail, a range of routes was assessed, but they all share the same N-S alignment though Southern Cross, rather than the E-W alignment for MM2 in the PTV Plan.

Strange. Infrastructure Victoria assessed MM2, but this route option wasn't even costed. The Aecom study only costed the E-W route through Southern Cross.

So, have the planners now ditched MM2 running E-W through Southern Cross?
That was one of the things I noticed too. My biggest concern are the implications for the proposed Parkville interchange. If the MM2 follows the alignment of the city loop through Southern Cross and Flagstaff as indicated, I don't see how the East-West aligned Flagstaff platforms would allow the room for the route to turn north in Parkville's direction, it would need to follow a different alignment to Clifton Hill. An interchange at Parkville was one of the appealing parts of the MM2, creating a rare interchange outside the CBD like a true metro style system. But they may have slipped back into typical radial system thinking.

But, I'm not sure how serious we're supposed to take the proposed routes before they get to FB which strangely includes two routes that, rather than cutting across the river, actually follow its alignment directly underneath for about 500m.
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Old October 22nd, 2017, 01:32 AM   #9514
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Both the MM2 route options go N-S through Parkville. One route then swings east via N Fitzroy to Clifton Hill, the other continues north to Princes Park then swings east to use the old inner circle route, now a linear park / cycleway.
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Old October 22nd, 2017, 02:38 AM   #9515
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Ok thanks, I wasn't thinking of the Aecom study but I see what you mean. I see they've for some reason just gone with the less favourable Aecom option that avoids Fitzroy as well, maybe because it's also the cheaper option. Or, as I said, the route north of the Yarra probably isn't important at this stage of the process.
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Old October 22nd, 2017, 10:43 AM   #9516
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Southland station will be opening on November 26.
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Old October 22nd, 2017, 02:18 PM   #9517
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I'm surprised that the second station entrance from Tulip Grove hasn't been constructed. Had a play around with Google Maps and saw that if you lived in a house backing onto the station platform, you'd need to walk 1.5km to get to the station.

But it would actually be a slightly shorter (and more pleasant) walk at 1.3km to reach Cheltenham Station

The cul-de-sac design of the streets in that area would mean that even if a second entry did exist, it would only provide direct access to the station from a relatively small number of houses though.

At least the part of the shopping centre nearest the station should be open from 7am-11pm while Coles is open for people to walk through to the highway. Not sure that it would be a great station to use at 3am in the morning, leading into the carpark of a completely closed Westfield centre far from any houses

I'm guessing that a common complaint will be the distance between trains and the bus interchange, and the need to walk the long way crossing the highway on foot outside of Westfield trading hours.
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Old October 22nd, 2017, 03:15 PM   #9518
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The 828 bus ought to have a stop in Bay Rd directly adjacent to the new station, thus negating the need for the slow detour loop to Cheltenham Station.
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The area to the west of the station within 400m should be redeveloped as high density residential with a new entrance to the station incorporated into the plans.
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Could the bus interchange be moved to the new station?
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