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Old November 16th, 2015, 08:09 AM   #61
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Why the obsession with Macquarie Park itself - the Hurstville Metro, if it was say a branch of the current Sydney Metro project, would involve one change at Central onto a line that does go via Macquarie Park.

I think it is functionally more useful going to Epping - at which point again you will make the change to Macquarie Park. Having two junctions - one at Epping and one at Mac Park, is not helpful. What if I want to come from say Thornleigh to your Hurstville line?
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Old November 16th, 2015, 11:27 AM   #62
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I hear what you guys are saying about metro 3 and cross line connections. The question is when you build more tunnels and underground stations if there's enough people who are going to take the alternate path versus go via the city as always. And then of course you have to ask questions like why not a surface cross connect or a few decent express station to station buses.

As a general rule, the further east you go, the less useful a cross-connect goes because its competing again shorter and shorter alternate paths.

If you ignore Hurstville for a moment then the question is where you would build a Bankstown line to Revesby line cross connect. And then every time I do that I keep coming back to bus connectors. For instance the M41 will get you from Campsie to Bexley North in 12 minutes. And the M91 gets you from Bankstown to Padstow in 23 minutes. Much of what is wrong with current bus/train combined journeys is actually the lack of frequency in the trains and that will be fixed.

Anyhow, I've wandered off topic enough for now.
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Old November 16th, 2015, 01:50 PM   #63
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You're thinking of a Hurstville to Macquarie line too literally. It's not just about that end to end journey, it rarely is, and especially not on an orbital that avoids the CBD. It's about creating connections between existing lines, and at the same time connecting suburbs, that have never seen rail, for the first time.

It's more about the people at say, Revesby that work in Hurstville and slashing their journey time; or the person at North Ryde who works at Olympic Park; or the person at Bankstown who works at Macquarie park.

If someone who lives in Hurstville but works in Macquarie Park would have a faster trip via existing routes, that doesn't matter, as it's the people in between and adjacent to those points that matter. Hurstville is just a logical termination point and a large centre in the region, so it makes sense to end a cross-city line there.
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Old November 16th, 2015, 03:53 PM   #64
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You're thinking of a Hurstville to Macquarie line too literally. It's not just about that end to end journey, it rarely is, and especially not on an orbital that avoids the CBD. It's about creating connections between existing lines, and at the same time connecting suburbs, that have never seen rail, for the first time.

It's more about the people at say, Revesby that work in Hurstville and slashing their journey time; or the person at North Ryde who works at Olympic Park; or the person at Bankstown who works at Macquarie park.

If someone who lives in Hurstville but works in Macquarie Park would have a faster trip via existing routes, that doesn't matter, as it's the people in between and adjacent to those points that matter. Hurstville is just a logical termination point and a large centre in the region, so it makes sense to end a cross-city line there.
Yes true, but you're always dealing with increasingly smaller sub-groups of people. For instance it would be nice if there were a fast shuttle between (say) Campsie and Kingsgrove. No doubt some people will in one place and work in the other. The problem is that any such inter-connect is going to have to be with expensive tunnels and underground stations. And even if you could define a group of users, the relatively short trip scenarios you're dealing with also have bus solutions. In this case a 490 or 492 bus will do the job just nicely.

I'm willing to consider the Bankstown to Macquarie Park issue because a) its a good idea to have a connection between Macquarie Park and some other well connected point further south and b) there's an existing track from Lidcombe to Bankstown you can reuse.

Further south of Bankstown it gets increasingly difficult because of the incremental cost.

Incidentally I went looking on Google for routes from Revesby to Hurstville. The best of them is 30 minutes. Thats a train to Beverley Hills and then a 450 bus. The problem is that this is the exception. Lots of other times of the day yield lots worse results. But that's largely due to poor frequencies and poor connections.

Anyhow.. this is gotten way off western sydney light rail. sorry.
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Old November 26th, 2015, 10:00 AM   #65
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Roads Minister Duncan Gay hints light rail route will be built in Sydney Olympic Park

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Roads Minister Duncan Gay has all but confirmed his government will build a light rail line from Parramatta to Sydney Olympic Park.
Announcing the construction of a westbound off-ramp from the M4 Motorway at Hill Road as part of the redevelopment of an industrial area in Lidcombe, the minister appeared to spill the beans on the government's light rail plans.

"We will be having light rail, that will be coming through this sector. There are bus routes and this will be an improvement of the road infrastructure which will be linking with WestConnex which will be opening stage one in 2019.
"We're going, in a comprehensive, coordinated way, about putting the transport in place before the residential."
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The minister later issued a statement: "While a light rail route to Sydney Olympic Park is under serious consideration, no final decision has been made."
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Sources have said the route announcement is on hold until the state government determines how to fund the construction through "value capture", a finance mechanism that seeks to regain the value uplift properties get from being located near public transport.
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/roads-mini...26-gl8hqs.html
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Old December 7th, 2015, 07:42 AM   #66
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http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/premier-mi...07-glh36y.html

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Premier Mike Baird to announce light rail from Parramatta to Sydney Olympic Park

A light-rail line will be constructed from Parramatta to Strathfield via Sydney Olympic Park, Premier Mike Baird is expected to announce on Tuesday.

The line is one of four possible routes from Parramatta that have been under consideration by the state government for more than a year.

The expected announcement comes as western Sydney residents, leaders and advocates have grown increasingly frustrated about the delay in unveiling the selected route.

The four options were: Parramatta to Macquarie Park via Carlingford and Epping; Parramatta to Castle Hill via Old Northern Road; Parramatta to Bankstown; and Parramatta to Strathfield/Burwood via Sydney Olympic Park.

The Sydney Olympic Park route emerged as an early frontrunner and was backed by lobby group, West Line Alliance, whose members' list includes high-profile businesses such as Goodman Group, NRMA, ANZ Stadium and Accor.

The group has proposed using a finance mechanism known as "value capture" to fund the construction of the line, saying as much as $2.9 billion could be raised through voluntary developer levies.
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Old December 7th, 2015, 11:57 AM   #67
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News Corp. and Channel 7 are now reporting that the initial network will run from Westmead to both Strathfield AND Carlingford.

Government will put forward $1B, with private investment making up the rest of the $2B+ price tag.
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Old December 7th, 2015, 12:10 PM   #68
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It's a retty good start. Hopefully more lightrail projects announced around Parramatta and Green Square.
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Old December 7th, 2015, 01:33 PM   #69
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Green SQuare = YES pls!! On O'Dea, Bourke, Lachlan, etc., it's getting so you can walk faster than you can drive even out of peak hours.
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Old December 7th, 2015, 03:44 PM   #70
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Its good to see a continual stream of new major projects rather than just doing a couple and then dusting of the hands as if all finished.
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Old December 7th, 2015, 11:56 PM   #71
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So the WSLR will apparently start construction in 2018. If we stick to the rule of 2 light rail projects at a time (Newcastle and CSELR now), then I could see Green Square light rail starting before 2020.
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Old December 8th, 2015, 03:58 AM   #72
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Old December 8th, 2015, 06:58 AM   #73
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Old December 8th, 2015, 07:02 AM   #74
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^ I wonder if they are planning on going north or south of the Silverwater jail complex. Maybe a stop out the front. Will make traveling during visiting hours interesting.
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Old December 8th, 2015, 07:20 AM   #75
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The fact that the new line doesn't connect to Epping makes me feel that the PERL is still factored in to the expansion of the rail network somewhere in the future.
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Old December 8th, 2015, 07:30 AM   #76
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To be honest, this isn't really Western Sydney. Its more like Central Sydney. But, it is still good that its getting built.
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Old December 8th, 2015, 07:47 AM   #77
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The fact that the new line doesn't connect to Epping makes me feel that the PERL is still factored in to the expansion of the rail network somewhere in the future.
I thought this too. Parramatta to Epping with one stop at Carlingford perhaps.
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Old December 8th, 2015, 07:50 AM   #78
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Very pleased.

Not to spoil the party, will be interested in future of clyde to rose hill
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Old December 8th, 2015, 08:33 AM   #79
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^ This, maybe (here's hoping):

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Old December 8th, 2015, 08:39 AM   #80
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Well Clyde will be completely unnecessary so should be closed down, and Rosehill can stay as a special events branch.
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