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Old June 27th, 2017, 07:48 AM   #801
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I always thought there was a plan for a tunnel as it would save a lot of time, particularly as it could support 200km/h speeds.

But someone once said the geology would be too unstable. Biggest problem for me it would not be quite as scenic.

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Wollongong-Sydney train tunnel could slash commute, report to NSW Cabinet says
By Nick McLaren, ABC, Updated about 2 hours ago
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-2...vealed/8653008

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A new railway tunnel would shave 22 minutes off a train trip from Wollongong to Sydney, confidential documents reveal.
Key points:
•It is estimated about 20,000 people commute from Wollongong to Sydney daily
•The proposed rail tunnel from Thirroul to Waterfall would slash journey times to about an hour
•Today, the journey takes more than 90 minutes

The ABC has seen a plan prepared for the New South Wales Government showing the commute would be cut from about an hour and a half, to 66 minutes.The cabinet-in-confidence proposal estimates a tunnel built from Thirroul to Waterfall would cost $3.6 billion, a fraction of what it would cost to build the F6 motorway. In last week's state budget, the Berejiklian Government allocated $15 million for planning of the F6 extension.

NSW Minister for Transport and Infrastructure Andrew Constance ruled out the rail investment."At this stage we have no plans to build a Thirroul tunnel," he said "I think it's fair to say the investments we are making are about providing more reliable and more timely services to the people of the Hunter and the Illawarra and the Blue Mountains but at this stage it would need to tie in with any long-term transport master planning which is what we're up to."

The Greens' transport spokesperson Mehreen Faruqi has questioned why the 2014 report Rail Corridors Strategy Sydney to Wollongong was never made public. "This reduction of travel times by train will change the lives of tens of thousands of people living in the Illawarra and why isn't the Government pursuing it," she said. 'It would make my life a lot easier'

Jeremy Boulton travels from North Wollongong to the Conservatorium of Music in Sydney each day — a trip that takes him about two hours each way.
He said a shorter commute would make a big difference."It would mean I could get back and maybe take on some more work and a bit more money maybe to get me on the train everyday and it would really make my life just a lot easier," he said.

Labor's Illawarra spokesman and Keira MP Ryan Park said the faster journey time would deliver an economic boost for the South Coast. The Government blueprint estimated the tunnel could be completed by 2031. Mr Park said future transport plans for the region should prioritise rail. "My priority has always been upgrades to the South Coast Rail line first, that's because its a public line, it's a line that does a lot of heavy lifting, we can move large numbers of people efficiently," he said.

Plans for a road option by extending the F6 freeway through southern Sydney to Waterfall have estimates ranging from $8 billion to $18 billion. The road plan would controversially involve acquiring 60 hectares of the Royal National Park, or the demolition of homes and businesses on around 500 properties.

A Transport for NSW spokesman said the Government was always evaluating the state's transport options."We recognise the need for transport links between capital cities and other major cities for access to services and opportunities like business, specialist healthcare and international airports," he said."Over the next 20 to 40 years we need to ensure our cities and towns are better places to live, work and visit."

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Old June 27th, 2017, 09:45 AM   #802
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I always thought there was a plan for a tunnel as it would save a lot of time, particularly as it could support 200km/h speeds.

But someone once said the geology would be too unstable. Biggest problem for me it would not be quite as scenic.

shshh, confidential documents.


Wollongong-Sydney train tunnel could slash commute, report to NSW Cabinet says
By Nick McLaren, ABC, Updated about 2 hours ago
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-2...vealed/8653008


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-27/tunnel/8653460


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I would imagine there are a few issues. The Government needs to come up with that $3.6b unlike with the toll road. Then what happens to trains when they get to Sutherland? You probably need a second new tunnel to Hurstville. Then you need to clear enough space on the line between Hurstville and Central to run enough trains.

If you don't then you are building a very expensive tunnel for very few trains and that makes this train even less likely to meet any BCR (I suspect that the peak hour nature of this commute means it won't no matter what). I think that they would be better off trying to speed up the commute on the line between Hurstville and the city so that you can spread the benefits.

For that I think you need to move services in that region to Metro to relieve the existing lines and create room for proper express running.
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Old June 27th, 2017, 04:19 PM   #803
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A new railway tunnel would shave 22 minutes off a train trip from Wollongong to Sydney, confidential documents reveal.


Just like the other government documents that said the same thing around 10 years ago, and the other ones from 10 years before that, and another 10 years before that...
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Old June 28th, 2017, 05:18 AM   #804
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Just a few points here.

There was a study by Connell Wagner in 2003 comparing route options which came up with a price tag of $1.4B (in 2003 dollars) for the realignment between Thirroul and Waterfall.

There was also a more recent study (in the last couple of years) by AECOM and I suspect that's where the $3.6B figure comes from, noting AECOM's tendency to gold plate.

I very much doubt that they considered using faster rolling stock.

If you did consider faster rolling stock as I have, then you face the question of how to get the most out of that rolling stock and what infrastructure changes are needed.

The solution I came up with involves two bypasses. One from Thirroul to Waterfall and the other from Sutherland to Kogarah, so it actually bypasses Hurstville.

Now, you have exclusive track until you get to Wolli Creek. At Wolli Creek you start having to share track with the trains coming from Campbelltown. Its a compromise I'm willing to wear given that I have a faster route from Campbelltown to Parramatta.

I actually worked around the idea of an XPT class train. With that you get a 45 minute trip with stops at Wollongong, North Wollongong, Thirroul, Sutherland, Sydenham and Central. There is also a fast service running all stops from Waterfall (perhaps Helensburgh) to Sutherland and then Sydenham and Central. There is also a local commuter service from Wollongong to Wombarrah.

Regarding geology, there's two issues. Firstly there is the scree slope on the east of the escarpment. There are ways and means to deal with this but essentially the best approach is to have as little of the tunnel as possible in this zone. Secondly is coal seams. The best approach here is to allow a longer tunnel so you have the freedom to go over, under and around.

I wouldn't be surprised if a tunnel is mooted in the long term transport master plan, but I fear that they'll do it in a half-assed way without faster rolling stock.

My estimate for the whole deal is around the $3-$4B mark. I don't necessarily think this is politically infeasible. But it may mean Federal government money coming in once the Pacific Highway is completed.
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Old July 6th, 2017, 02:47 AM   #805
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JetGo unveiled as chosen airline for Illawarra passenger service


Regional airline JetGo will be running direct flights from the Illawarra to Brisbane and Melbourne as early as October.

The airline newcomer was unveiled as Shellharbour council’s chosen carrier for its resurrected regular passenger service from Albion Park.

After a confidential council session on Tuesday, councillors unanimously endorsed the general manager to negotiate a contract with JetGo.

Mayor Marianne Saliba said the service would begin in October, subject to regulatory approval, and would include nine one-hour-and-15-minute flights to Melbourne’s Essendon airport.

Essendon is located halfway between Tullamarine airport and Melbourne’s CBD.

There will be six weekly return flights – lasting an hour and 35 minutes each way – to Brisbane.

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Old July 6th, 2017, 05:45 AM   #806
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Are they going to copy the London example and name this airport Sydney (Wollongong)
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Old July 6th, 2017, 05:46 AM   #807
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Essendon?! Wow if you're in Sutherland or Campbelltown that's actually quite an attractive alternative to SYD-MEL. If you had a car.
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I don't know a huge amount about this part of the world, but how hard would it be to turn Albion Park station into a station to service the airport?
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Old July 6th, 2017, 11:57 PM   #809
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I don't know a huge amount about this part of the world, but how hard would it be to turn Albion Park station into a station to service the airport?


It's right at the bottom of the east-west runway. A little bit of a trek to the terminal (across the Princes HWY)! a shuttle bus perhaps?
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It's right at the bottom of the east-west runway. A little bit of a trek to the terminal (across the Princes HWY)! a shuttle bus perhaps?
Should be able to improve access when the bypass is built
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Drivers to hit the road on finished Berry bypass

Motorists are set to bypass Berry for the first time on Thursday night.

The section of upgraded Princes Highway is due to open to traffic, signalling the completion of the town bypass – 12 months ahead of schedule.

The exact opening time has not been disclosed, but the Mercury understands it should happen between 7pm and 9pm.

“This project has been talked about since 1955. People said it couldn’t be done,” said Parliamentary secretary for the Illawarra Gareth Ward.

“This upgrade gives the people of Berry back their town and will also improve road safety and travel times for motorists and pedestrian safety within the town.”

The official opening of the bypass has been scheduled for next week.

"This upgrade gives the people of Berry back their town and will also improve road safety - Gareth Ward"

However, Mr Ward said the decision to open the new road to traffic on Thursday night was made to help alleviate school holiday congestion.

Work on the overall $580 million Foxground to Berry bypass project is ongoing.

Meanwhile, work on the Albion Park Rail bypass continues, Mr Ward said, with planning approval now expected later this year. Major work should start in 2019.

Elsewhere, money was allocated in this year’s NSW budget to build the Berry to Bomaderry upgrade of the Princes Highway, with major work there expected to start early next year.

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I drove the Berry bypass today.

Still far from finished. Only about 6 km of 12 km are totally finished. Only about 8km of 12 km are four lanes. I wouldn't be surprised if they were still doing work on it past Christmas/New Years.
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Good to see the Berry bypass is now on Google Maps, however, the completed bypass won't be on Google Earth aerial maps for a while. Last maps are in February. I wonder when they will be doing an aerial maps update of the area?
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Old August 11th, 2017, 03:14 AM   #815
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Does anyone know what the plan is for the jetgo flights as far as terminal facilities are concerned? To my knowledge didn't the terminal burn down a few years ago?
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Very minimal at the moment. Mainly for light planes.

I am not aware of plans to upgrade the current facilities. Perhaps someone else can make enquiries.
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They will need some kind of terminal facilities so would imagine some kind of structure (fixed or temporary) will be in place
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It looks like the Berry to Bomaderry section of the Princes Highway upgrade won't be starting until the second half of 2018.

So that means that that section and the Albion Park Rail bypass will be built at the same time.
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Yes. Looks like the contractors/tenderers for both projects won't be announced until March or April.

Nothing to see between now and then.
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