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Old October 13th, 2017, 01:25 PM   #6901
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Does the forum think it will be feasible once the light rail is finished ie to airport and maybe Robina/Main Beach spurs that the coastal bus service/routes (Surfside) could/would largely be eliminated? Do you think that's the govt's "end goal"?
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Old October 13th, 2017, 02:12 PM   #6902
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I'd like to see the final push to Coolangatta (and beyond- South Tweed?) utilise the old South Coast rail line tunnel that allegedly still exists between Kirra and Coolangatta.

This tram link via the airport and the final extension of heavy rail as well would put in a significant improvement in transport infrastructure for the southern Gold Coast/ Tweed.
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Old October 13th, 2017, 02:50 PM   #6903
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Does the forum think it will be feasible once the light rail is finished ie to airport and maybe Robina/Main Beach spurs that the coastal bus service/routes (Surfside) could/would largely be eliminated? Do you think that's the govt's "end goal"?
That's the aim, to re-deploy them elsewhere onto poorly serviced inland routes.
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Old October 13th, 2017, 03:32 PM   #6904
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There'll still be some service parallel to the light rail IMHO, generally to provide denser stop spacing.
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Old October 13th, 2017, 04:49 PM   #6905
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There'll still be some service parallel to the light rail IMHO, generally to provide denser stop spacing.
Doubt this will be the case anywhere between Broadbeach and Currumbin, other than incidentally - for example, the 764 will probably still follow the alignment from Tallebudgera Rd to Burleigh Heads. From Currumbin/Tugun onwards, you will probably still have buses between there and the border but at lower headways than today. It might be that there are no intermediate tram stops between Tugun and the airport given the catchment would be so tiny for any given stop.

I have no objection to there being an airport express bus route which maybe stopped only at very limited locations (eg leaving the airport, maybe only at Palm Beach Ave, Burleigh Heads, Broadbeach South, 50 Cavill Ave/Appel Park in Surfers, and Southport). Just run it every 15 minutes so there is a decent alternative for people covering longer distances and people flying in/out, but also so that it is not generally worth waiting for it because the tram will be at least twice as frequent.
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Old October 14th, 2017, 12:05 AM   #6906
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Surely they are going to build a new chain link fence. Surely.......Probably not
It's a QR chain link fence, you know how they hang on to some old relics and burn money turning over others. Never a happy medium.

As for stops on the tram's stage three, current 777 express has five stops between Broadbeach South terminus and Burleigh. This increases to seven.

Draw circles of 800m radii and you find the walk up patronage for all suggested stops is reasonable.

Eventual travel times to airport will be slower than the 777 bus route but should be more consistent than it is in busier times and certainly quicker than the 700.

My only complaint is that the planning does not extend the full length to the border. Council should set the lead and let the other levels of govt follow.

For Brisvein's comment, there's no tunnel but a cutting between Kirra and Coolangatta. Google calls it the Lanham St Park. You can walk the alignment yourself.

The Coolangatta police station will need new premises as it is built over the alignment. East of there is a logical place for a tram stop, along with a terminus at the eastern end in Bay Street, Dixon Street end. This puts the line just into NSW. Bay St is wide for an interchange to bus there and if at Dixon St end, 2 - 300m walk to Griffith St shops.

Say you travel from Robina to Broadbeach, a quick trip east on a frequent bus (bone jarring speed bumps on Oceanic Drive require removal, a relic of the NIMBY Albert Shire) to meet the tram at Miami/Nobby shops is much better than the wasted winding of the 750 along Rio Vista Drive.

Western connections are needed, but consider how beneficial it'd be to improve density along the coastal spine where the tram is perfect for the purpose.
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Old October 14th, 2017, 03:39 AM   #6907
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As for stops on the tram's stage three, current 777 express has five stops between Broadbeach South terminus and Burleigh. This increases to seven.



Draw circles of 800m radii and you find the walk up patronage for all suggested stops is reasonable.

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Some these stations fall well within 800m each other, meaning walk up 400m and less in some circumstances, 800m walkup would suggest 1600m spacing between stations
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Old October 14th, 2017, 03:46 AM   #6908
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I would like to see a Robina to Burleigh (linking with the main line at Christine Avenue) tram. The council have talked about this for after they have finished the main line. My question is whether they have considered changing the bus route for one of the 765 or 760 to basically go from Robina to Burleigh and then along the coast to measure how many people would patronise the service. (ie a 777 style bus, with limited stops and regular frequency.)

The one and a half hour length of the tram from Helensvale to Cooly is too long for that journey, although few would be making that trip exactly. However it does clearly show the need to finish the heavy rail alignment through to the border from Varsity Lakes.
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Old October 14th, 2017, 08:05 AM   #6909
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The one and a half hour length of the tram from Helensvale to Cooly is too long for that journey, although few would be making that trip exactly. However it does clearly show the need to finish the heavy rail alignment through to the border from Varsity Lakes.
Of course, a cheaper interim fix would be for the 760, leaving VL station, head south on the M1 to Palm Beach Ave, turn left to the coast,

Then one stop on the Gold Coast highway to interchange with the 700, 765 and 777, then express to Kirribin St Bilinga (last intersection before airport), collecting route 700 passengers from Golden Four Drive,

Then nto the airport as usual at Terminal Drive and down to the Tweed terminus as usual.

Stops missed by the 760 could easily be picked up by the 765 travelling four more stops up KP McGrath Drive from The Pines SC, Elanora.

And here's an afternoon laugh, typical NIMBY locals against the tram:
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Old October 14th, 2017, 04:08 PM   #6910
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Some these stations fall well within 800m each other, meaning walk up 400m and less in some circumstances, 800m walkup would suggest 1600m spacing between stations
No transit planner thinks in those terms.
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Old October 14th, 2017, 11:04 PM   #6911
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No transit planner thinks in those terms.

what logic are they applying then?
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Old October 15th, 2017, 12:43 AM   #6912
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Distance to major activity centres, density, reachability.
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Old October 15th, 2017, 01:02 AM   #6913
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Distance to major activity centres, density, reachability.

Density and activity centres certainly, but reachability is just another term for walk up
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Old October 15th, 2017, 04:51 AM   #6914
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The more sophisticated approach is to base the distances around isochrones rather than drawing a circle. The idea is to minimise the distance to make it more attractive and build the route so it does not need extensive non-stop sections to achieve a good journey time.

The stop around Markeri St for instance would replace a bus stop at a fairly large Tricare facility near Annette Kellerman Park. You really expect elderly people to walk 800m to the nearest stop?
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Old October 15th, 2017, 05:02 AM   #6915
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Can someone post a link to a map of the proposed stops?
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Old October 15th, 2017, 05:23 AM   #6916
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The more sophisticated approach is to base the distances around isochrones rather than drawing a circle. The idea is to minimise the distance to make it more attractive and build the route so it does not need extensive non-stop sections to achieve a good journey time.

The stop around Markeri St for instance would replace a bus stop at a fairly large Tricare facility near Annette Kellerman Park. You really expect elderly people to walk 800m to the nearest stop?
That Tri-Care is an 81 person facility, and my experience with Tri-care after having my own grandmother in there, is that they offer their own door to door transport services which is far more suitable for the elderly that live in those facilities.

see post 6895, Markeri St is a stop i recommended should stay open, not for the purpose of serving elderly, rather because it links up to the West running Markeri St which will allow better integration into the bus network and capture walk-up, drop-off from those coming from the Western side of the canal. It serves a broad community purpose, rather then then the 3 or 4 elderly people from the Markeri St Tri-Care who may use the light rail daily.

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Concept below only features 5 new stations whilst still hitting all the major junctions/potential bus interchanges based on a 800m walkup planning distance.

Broadbeach Station
-1600m-
Makeri St Station
-1600m-
Miami State High/Pacific Ave
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Miami One Shopping Centre/Christine Ave
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Deodara Dr
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Burleigh Heads Station
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Old October 15th, 2017, 05:42 AM   #6917
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Can someone post a link to a map of the proposed stops?
There are maps but i can't find them right now, but they are only indicative at this stage, the actual location for some of the stations have room to move 100m north or south.



Anyway, happy to let this discussion rest over the station spacings, i thought it was a reasonable question to pose, and i haven't necessarily agreed with the responses and people don't agree with my point of view, so perhaps time to move on.
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Old October 16th, 2017, 04:51 AM   #6918
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Maybe they should be looking for some feedback through the Go Card system to see which bus stops are the primary use ones. Meanwhile no heed should be made to the schools as they can all walk the maximum distance to the bus/tram. Besides half of them get on with their expensive shopping bags at Robina or Pac Fair and then "have no money"
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Old October 22nd, 2017, 10:58 AM   #6919
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A glimmer of hope in NSW' new draft transport plan under the category of "Initiatives for investigation for potential commitment (0 – 10 years) - Subject to Business Case Development"
  • Extension of interstate Light Rail systems to support population growth from Gold Coast Airport to Tweed Heads
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Old October 23rd, 2017, 01:32 AM   #6920
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I'd like to see consideration given to extending the HR past Coolangatta, at least to the Tweed River with stations at Tweed Heads South and Banora Point. In the future its inevitable there will be further infill south of the Tweed River, so at least having that option to extend down there would be good. Currently the proposed design of the rail station at OOL limits any future extensions south.

But, this portion of the extension would be the most costly with Terranora Creek and Tweed River requiring some significant infrastructure to cross. It couldn't be done without some serious support from the NSW Government, which isn't likely to occur.
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