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Old May 14th, 2009, 05:38 AM   #121
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Old May 16th, 2009, 06:56 AM   #122
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Talk about rampant idealism. Personally, I don't think it will work that well, especially considering traffic HAS to go somewhere. The problem is that Sydney City Council's expecting traffic to just go 'poof' overnight and disappear. It won't.

All this whole thing will do is just create chaos for people who are trying to get to work because of the Council's ideology.
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Old May 16th, 2009, 02:01 PM   #123
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I'll stick with my RTA e-tag.. No fee's, no drama and it works Australia wide. Does anyone remember those vulgar M2 boxy things they had a few years back.

Speaking of the M2, it would have been one of the more sexy Motorways in Sydney.

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Old May 28th, 2009, 02:01 AM   #124
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Hmmmm??? What route would this take? When I look at Google Maps I see an unnamed road already running almost straight from Mamre Road to Walgrove Road but I've never actually seen this road so maybe it's quarry related.

A pity about all the quality market garden farmland that will be lost as industrial sprawl spreads from Erskine Park to the Australia's Wonderland industrial sites. It's some of the only remaining greenfields/woodlands area that breaks up the trip to Penrith. Maybe the road will link the 2 sites up then allow for mass expansion between the 2. Great.

Hopes raised for road link Erskine Park to M7
KYLIE STEVENS
25/05/2009 3:21:00 PM
http://www.penrithstar.com.au/news/l...7/1522218.aspx

A frustrating road block could soon end for Penrith Council and Erskine Park Business Park land owners.
As reported last week,the State Government is yet to approve a three-kilometre road linking the business park and the M7, which would create jobs and take truck traffic off residential roads.

A decision could come soon: a Department of Planning spokesman told the Star last week that the proposal is a long way through the assessment process.

``The applicant has responded to issues raised and the department is finalising its assessment of the application and will make its recommendations to the minister shortly,'' he said.

Penrith Valley Chamber of Commerce CEO Jill Woods also expects a decision soon after state Planning Minister Kristen Keneally spoke at a chamber businesse lunch last week. Ms Woods identified the Erskine Park road link and its push to revitalise the Dunheved business precinct as the chamber's

two key priorities.

``I think that we made some real headway on Wednesday,'' she said. ``The minister pledged that she will continue to work closely with us on both projects.''

A day earlier at the Blacktown Job Summit, Premier Nathan Rees was full of praise about the future of Western Sydney Employment Hub, of which Erskine Park Business Park is a part.
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Old May 28th, 2009, 02:09 AM   #125
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Hmmmm??? What route would this take? When I look at Google Maps I see an unnamed road already running almost straight from Mamre Road to Walgrove Road but I've never actually seen this road so maybe it's quarry related.
Lenore Lane was upgraded to four-lane arterial standard with traffic lights in 2006 but presently ends at a one-lane track and a gate - lol

This project is just an eastern extension of this road to meet Old Wallgrove Rd which leads to the M7.
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Old May 28th, 2009, 02:47 PM   #126
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Hmmmm??? What route would this take? When I look at Google Maps I see an unnamed road already running almost straight from Mamre Road to Walgrove Road but I've never actually seen this road so maybe it's quarry related.
That unnamed road you speak of looks like the Sydney Water supply pipeline that runs from Warragamba to Prospect. It's much clearer in the UBD and appears to be in the same location as the one on Google maps, though Google maps makes it look like it actually intersects with the roads it crosses!
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Old May 28th, 2009, 02:57 PM   #127
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I think you're onto it. That would be the road that runs between the 2 pipes.
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Old June 2nd, 2009, 12:21 AM   #128
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From the SMH today:

The big choke: roads lose out in Rees budget
Andrew Clennell
June 2, 2009

THE Rees Government will not spend a cent on expanding the congested M4 or M5 motorways this year, with just $22 million put aside to improve air filtration in the M5 East tunnel, according to a copy of the roads budget obtained by the Herald.

Despite asking Canberra to fund a duplication of the smog-filled M5 East tunnel, and an enormous $9.7 billion underground motorway through the inner-west, the state's budget has ignored both projects.

All up, $4.3 billion will be spent on the state's roads, according to the documents, in what the Government will trumpet as a "record" amount of spending - but capital and maintenance spending on rural and regional roads will be cut.

The entire roads budget, as per documents drawn up about a week ago, has been leaked to the Opposition in an embarrassing sign of ill-discipline in Government ranks a fortnight before the budget.

The documents show $627 million will be spent upgrading the Pacific Highway, $340 million fixing the Hume Highway and $60 million to start work on the Victoria Road upgrade (including the Iron Cove Bridge).

The document gives a figure of $2.94 billion of capital and maintenance spending on rural and regional roads, which equates to a $160 million, or 5 per cent, cut on last year's $3.1 billion. Road infrastructure funding will be the same as last year - at $1.8 billion - with no increase for inflation.

And funding for the Princes Highway is just $90.6 million, despite the Government seeking $1 billion from the Federal Government for the road's upgrade.

The leaked documents also show how officials are required to break down projects by electorate. A briefing document shows projects for seats in Balmain ($35.1 million) and Drummoyne ($34.7 million)

The National Party leader, Andrew Stoner, said the documents showed that "Nathan Rees and his rookie Roads Minister, Michael Daley, have failed".

"It appears there is no increase in money for new roads in and around Sydney, including those proposed in the State Government's own Infrastructure Strategy," Mr Stoner said.

"These moves, coupled with the decision to axe the South-West and North-West rail links, consigns Sydney motorists to continued congestion and infuriating traffic.

He said the Government had "misguided priorities" when it was cutting some road programs but spending $5.3 billion on the CBD Metro.

According to the documents, the $627.7 million for the Pacific Highway upgrade includes $180 million for the Ballina bypass, $62 million for the Bulahdelah bypass, $106 million for dual carriageway upgrades from Sapphire to Woolgoolga, $72 million for dual carriageway upgrades from Moorland to Herons and $59 million for dual carriageway upgrades from Coopernook to Moorland.

There is $140 million to improve the Great Western Highway, $50 million for the Hunter Expressway (which the Federal Government is funding to the tune of more than $1 billion) and $18 million to complete the widening of the F3 between Mount Colah and Cowan.

A Sun-Herald Taverner poll on the weekend found that 64 per cent of the public were "not confident" that the Rees Government could fix the road system.

A spokeswoman for Mr Daley, Sally Tindall, said she would not comment on the documents.




The government just can't win no matter what they do. Instead of focusing on the government spending $627m on the Pacific Highway upgrades, $340m on the Hume Highway, spending on filtration of the M5 plus spending on many other roads projects around the state, they decide to focus on the fact that the government isn't extending the M4 or M5. The government has said before that they are not going to do anything about these this year so they're not even breaking any promises.

If leaked documents had shown that they were going to start building the M4 east the SMH would have been at them for neglecting PT and increasing traffic congestion with more freeways. There would have also been talking about outraged residents in the inner west.

For at least a year the SMH has been advocating spending less on building freeways and spending more on public transport. So before they have even seen what the government is going to spend on PT they decide to blast them on "misguided priorities" anyway.

They point out that NSW asked the federal government for funding for the M4east and M5 but there was no criticism of the federal government for deciding to ignore these projects. Why criticise the NSW government who has far less money?

The only cut in the budget that I can see is a 5% percent reduction in spending on rural roads. But a 5% cut is tiny and there is no mention of how this compares to the previous year. $3.1b last year, $2.94b this year but how much was it the year before last? There could have been a huge increase last year which could explain why there is no increase this year. Plus does the rural spending include the $627m for Pacigic Hwy upgrades??? Probably not.

The NSW government may be hopeless but I believe in giving credit when it's due. The SMH should focus on what IS in the budget, not what is left out. They should also try to get some consistency in their bias.
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Old June 2nd, 2009, 02:04 AM   #129
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From the SMH today:

The big choke: roads lose out in Rees budget
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June 2, 2009

THE Rees Government will not spend a cent on expanding the congested M4 or M5 motorways this year, with just $22 million put aside to improve air filtration in the M5 East tunnel, according to a copy of the roads budget obtained by the Herald.
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Old June 2nd, 2009, 02:31 AM   #130
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Wouldn't this be a first? Where roads have missed out a little in funding?

Let the private sector build more roads (more specifically motorways in Sydney), and then the government can focus more on improving our PT through means other than the CBD metro. A perfect example of a good road is the M7. It's very expensive but still relatively busy. It only use it when running late and the $3.25 or so I gotta pay for it is worth the 15-20 minute saving.

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I can't believe the M5 East tunnel was built only as a dual carriage way. But either way, if you upgrade there you'll have to upgrade General Homes Drive and etc wouldn't you? Can't have 4 lanes feeding into 4 lanes with an additional 3 lanes coming from the south! (or can you?)
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Old June 2nd, 2009, 02:39 AM   #131
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Wouldn't this be a first? Where roads have missed out a little in funding?
I'm sceptical until I see the actual budget. I don't think they have necessarily 'missed out' - its just the selection of projects to fund that the SMH has focused on.
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Old June 15th, 2009, 03:57 AM   #132
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June 15, 2009

THE Roads and Traffic Authority has rejected a private proposal for a tunnel linking the Spit Bridge with the Warringah Expressway. It says it prefers to take action to improve traffic along the entire route rather than making "isolated improvements" along sections of the route.

A privately backed group has been talking to the RTA for several months about a proposal for a 3.9-kilometre tunnel linking the two points.

At the request of the RTA, the proposal has incorporated a number of elements such as a new Spit Bridge, which has pushed up the estimated cost of the project to $1.9 billion from the original cost of $1.2 billion for the tunnel alone.

Of this, the RTA estimates the Government's contribution could range from $540 million to as much as $1.2 billion, depending on estimates for traffic numbers that would use the proposed link - they have proven difficult to forecast in other toll-road projects.
Peter Papas, the businessman behind a community group, the Sensible Traffic Action Group, which developed the proposal with the backing of Macquarie Bank, said the Government had treated it as a low priority.

"Northernlink, in the RTA's view, is not as high a priority for the Government as other road projects, including the M5 East duplication, the M4 east or the F3 to M2. It's a shame. This project works … It clearly passes the cost-benefit test."

It was developed as a project that would not cost taxpayers anything, but including elements sought by the Government, such as a new Spit Bridge, raised the cost by nearly a quarter. The community group wanted the Government to fund this gap.

The tunnel would bypass 18 sets of traffic lights, cutting peak-hour travel time between the Spit and the expressway by 19 minutes, with a $4 toll. It envisaged taking 50,000 cars a day off Military Road.

The toll cost for each kilometre of the tunnel, at about $1, is on a par with the Eastern Distributor and Lane Cove tunnels, and less than half the Cross City tunnel.

A spokesman for the RTA said it was "continuing to roll out the NSW Government's $48 million package to improve traffic flow on Spit and Military roads".

It would "improve the entire route rather than undertake isolated improvements".
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Old June 15th, 2009, 05:03 AM   #133
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I can't believe the M5 East tunnel was built only as a dual carriage way. But either way, if you upgrade there you'll have to upgrade General Homes Drive and etc wouldn't you? Can't have 4 lanes feeding into 4 lanes with an additional 3 lanes coming from the south! (or can you?)
The F6 could provide a solution.......if only the gov have the cash for it


Blue - 4x4
Red - 3x3
Purple - 2x2
Green - 1x1



4 lanes from the M5 east will split. 2 would go to the Airport Tunnel, 2 would go to the F6.

3 lanes from Grand Parade will merge into 1 when entering the Airport tunnel. The Grand Parade should have very little traffic because of the F6.

3 lanes from the F6 will be split, 1 would turn into the Airport Tunnel, 2 would continue north as the F6. It will become 4 lanes when joined by the 2 lanes from M5 east.
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The F6 could provide a solution.......if only the gov have the cash for it


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4 lanes from the M5 east will split. 2 would go to the Airport Tunnel, 2 would go to the F6.

3 lanes from Grand Parade will merge into 1 when entering the Airport tunnel. The Grand Parade should have very little traffic because of the F6.

3 lanes from the F6 will be split, 1 would turn into the Airport Tunnel, 2 would continue north as the F6. It will become 4 lanes when joined by the 2 lanes from M5 east.
And then?
What happens once the traffic reaches the M4 and Anzac Bridge?

I think all new freeways should be 3 lanes, built for off-peak, cross regional and intrastate traffic only, as well as freight - the ED for example is absolutely fantastic late at night and on the weekends, times when I wouldn't want to be risking multiple interchanges of infrequent pt modes

Anyone complaining about congestion in peak times should be catching public transport (and there is a line which follows the M5)
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And then?
What happens once the traffic reaches the M4 and Anzac Bridge?
It goes wherever (north, east, west) it's going? The busiest points on the radial freeway network, except for the M2 corridor, aren't right at the city...
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The NSW Budget was today. Nothing happened.
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Old June 16th, 2009, 03:41 PM   #137
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Nice map and nice idea of F6 but it won't happen.

When is NSW due to go broke?
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Nice map and nice idea of F6 but it won't happen.

When is NSW due to go broke?
Net debt levels to GSP from both state budgets forecasts for 2013 a much lower level for NSW 6.3% than Victoria 9.5%, and NSW still holds many of the same assets that Kennet sold off in the 90s to pay off the states then 30% debt.

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Old June 17th, 2009, 04:34 AM   #139
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At the moment I can get from my place at Randwick to Wollogong in about 100 minutes, which is not bad for a 91km trip (on a good day). I'd think the F6 would be a nice to have, rather than a need to have for the time being.
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Net debt levels to GSP from both state budgets forecasts for 2013 a much lower level for NSW 6.3% than Victoria 9.5%, and NSW still holds many of the same assets that Kennet sold off in the 90s to pay off the states then 30% debt.
Thanks Cactus for the budget stats. I'm concerned for NSW who seem to be falling into massive debt and flogging off some state assets to continue to fund massive increases in spending every year. Selling state assets should be used for paying off massive debt. In 5 years time, the NSW budget will contain enormous spending outlays, massive debts and assets sold. How do you pay down debt then?

I saw an article today by Mr Meganomics in the Oz; maybe Queensland will go broke first.
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