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Old October 5th, 2009, 06:45 AM   #21
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The article has a few errors. Qantas has already replaced the 737-300s with 400 quite some time ago. Regarding airfares CHC has a lot more seats to fill than the WLG market so there is less discounting at WLG. Airfares of 400 return a still way cheaper than what it was back in 1990 on Qantas 46 CHC-SYD return was $999 and that was the cheapest of all at that time by far.
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Old October 5th, 2009, 10:40 AM   #22
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Where are these so called cheap fares? Its still over $400, $500 in many cases. That is NOT cheap. Quite frankly that is a ripoff.

If you fly via Pacific Blue Syd/Auckland you can fly for around $360. Now when you consider $125 of that goes to taxes and levies I think that is pretty decent for a 3.5h flight on a niche route.
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Old October 5th, 2009, 12:39 PM   #23
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SYD-AKL is not "niche".

Wellington is like Canberra - it's the capital, commands high yields owing to the public sector, geography also works against Wellington (high rate of cancellations/diversions due to wind and the very short runway - which is what limits long-haul flights (only Auckland and Christchurch can handle substantial sized aircraft)). AFAIK SYD and WLG are the most expensive airport to land a plane in.
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Old October 6th, 2009, 03:23 PM   #24
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If you can fly over to New Zealand cheaper than you can to Perth, then you are doing well. Not even JQ seems to be breaking the price rort on SYD/BNE-Perth routes, only Melbs!

Pacific Blue frequently have $99 sale fares across the tasman during Happy Hour. Last time I saw this it was HLZ-SYD/BNE for $99.
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Old January 21st, 2010, 01:39 PM   #25
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Regarding Hobart operations. Was there more flights into and out of HBA back in the 90's when Qantas use to operate 717s than now? As today there is around 19 departures per day. Virgin has dropped the ADL route and Qantas the BNE route any more flights been dropped? If the A320/737 is too big for some routes it would be better to revert back to 717s than drop the route all together.
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Old January 22nd, 2010, 11:35 AM   #26
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Id say JQ/DJ have pretty much bedded down their Tasmanian network, I can see frequencies building in the future, but Tiger is the only real carrier that will add new ports out of Hobart. Can forecast Tiger operating OOL-HBA, SYD-HBA. Mabye BNE-HBA in the long term but wouldn't count on it. Tiger are up to 3 Daily come next week with 2 Melbourne departures and 1 Adelaide movement.

How is Virgin's HBA-CBR trek going? They must be government subsidized cause I flew to Townsville early December going MEL-CBR-TSV and loads on the new Canberra run were numbers were in the 20's. It was a Sunday too which, so god help what a dead Tuesday brings.
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Old January 22nd, 2010, 12:22 PM   #27
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When QLink had the 717s, there were 9 daily HBA-MEL flights (adjusted to 8 in Winter, 10 in Summer) and 3 daily HBA-SYD with 115-117 seats each depending on the aircraft. At 115 seats each this worked out to be 1380 seats per direction per day for the 9+3 daily. Now, we have 3x73H for QF and 6x320 for JQ, which works out to be 1566 seats per direction per day, slightly more. But DJ and TT have way more seats now than they did when the 717s were running.

The NS10 schedule has QF operating 2xHBA-MEL, 1xHBA-SYD, JQ operating 4xHBA-MEL, 2xHBA-SYD, DJ operating up to 5xHBA-MEL (737), 3xHBA-SYD(E90), 1xHBA-BNE(E90), 1xHBA-CBR(E70), TT operating 2xHBA-MEL, up to 1xHBA-ADL. So the busiest days (Fri,Sun) will get 22 flights per day.

As for HBA-CBR; going quite well I think. Plenty of days over Dec/Jan where at least one direction was 100%, no cheap fares for travel at those times either! There were selected services in Sep/Oct last year I think that were upgraded to E90, which has 30 additional seats compared with the E70.
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Old January 22nd, 2010, 12:24 PM   #28
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Generally the DJ TSV-CBR has been doing okay, i know someone who travels on the route regularly. Sorry going O/T.
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Old January 23rd, 2010, 04:14 PM   #29
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Thanks HBA for all your input it has helped to answer a few questions of mine. So Qlink had more dailies with 9 total 717s on the MEL run than today combo QF/JQ of 6 total but with more seats now. It still suprises me that DJ gave up ADL and started CBR especially the former being a much bigger city. Maybe they will return one day. Also I would love to see the resumption of trans tasman flights one day too.
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Old January 23rd, 2010, 11:15 PM   #30
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It dosn't surprise me that DJ gave up on ADL-HBA.
Godfrey stated somewhere that service was barely suistainable on their E170. Then Tiger came along undercutting Virgin by $80-$100 so of frankly they had no hope. Tiger only pulls 120-140 on this route, but considering they have it to themselves they might hang on to it. Tiger did the same to Virgin whilst on ADL-CBR, absolutely killed their numbers hence turning it into a Ejet service that pulled 10-30pax whilst Tiger again pulled 110-130 on this route. A319's would have suited perfect their Adelaide base as well as an A320 for the busier routes to MEL/SYD.
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Old January 24th, 2010, 04:36 AM   #31
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DJ have never operated the E70 on HBA-ADL. They launched in Nov 2004 with 4 per week operated by 737s, then increased to daily 737. In fact Godfrey was quoted in an Australian Aviation magazine as saying that the 737was too big for HBA-ADL, but the E-jet would be perfect. From late 2008 a mix of 737 and E90 were used, and by early 2009 it was operated by a daily E90. It was only from April 2009 when DJ also dropped at least 3 daily ADL-MEL E90 services that the ADL-HBA was also dropped.

As for the Tasmanian network, with a significant domestic expansion this year from DJ being rumoured, we may see ADL-HBA return, with either E70 or E90 equipment depending on what is available. JQ also have more expansion planned in the second half of the year (just as HBA builds to peak season). The HBA CEO is apparantly in talks with some airlines about HBA-OOL and HBA-NTL services, so maybe one of these might also eventuate from JQ? They could easily fill HBA-OOL or HBA-BNE daily with an A320 [as long as it doesn't arrive at midnight!], but HBA-NTL would be a couple per week max, maybe DJ with an E70 on this one to pick up some catchment from northern Sydney?
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Old January 24th, 2010, 08:53 AM   #32
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OOL-HBA by this Christmas is my guess, from Tiger's proposed OOL base that is rumored to start in 7/8 months. Jetstar have already jumped the gun and added more Coolangatta flights from July in a move to block out Tiger before the proposed new base start, so they could mabye launch the new Hobart route to get established before JQ?

And re ADL-HBA, I got this quote from the Telegraph, although cant find the initially statement. And that as when Tiger was not on the route, so why on earth would they launch the route again?
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Barely a week after Virgin Blue boss Brett Godfrey admitted flying from Tasmania to Adelaide was not making money, Tiger Airways decided to launch flights between the two backwater states.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/new...-1111117352054
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Old January 24th, 2010, 09:47 AM   #33
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That article was from September last year when DJ had the 737 daily. They couldn't really drop a couple of services per week as the aircraft operated SYD-HBA-ADL and ADL-HBA-SYD respectively, and they needed the 737 for the SYD-HBA services.

They could launch the route again with a smaller aircraft such as E70 if it would fit in with other ADL rotations, and try and go for some yield by offering business timings, thus reducing the need to deep discount half the aircraft. DJs rumoured domestic expansion is designed to hurt TT and push them off routes, why not make them hurt more on ADL-HBA?

Hope you're right with the OOL-HBA though!
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Old January 25th, 2010, 02:38 AM   #34
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If Hobart wants more routes to Australia or anywhere, all the Tasmanian Government has to do is throw in cash, like what Adelaide does these days and Tiger would happily throw a A320 in HBA.
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Old January 25th, 2010, 10:33 AM   #35
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So may be an interesting year ahead for Hobart. Hopefully the airport will pass 2 million pax per annum soon. I don't know if the state govt could support the airport or airlines aren't they a bit strapped for cash at the moment with the budget into deficit. But it would be nice if they could help out a bit.
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Old January 25th, 2010, 01:20 PM   #36
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The state governments give airlines plenty of help, especially Tiger who lives of Government grants. Jetstar and Virgin get plenty of QLD assistance and Tiger's ADL base is basically paid for by SA Government. I dont know where these airlines would be without government assistance.

Didn't look like the Tasmanian government were too keen on putting anymore funds into services from HBA when JQ announced the closure of its base there. Why they had a HBA base in the first place I dont know...
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Old January 26th, 2010, 03:22 AM   #37
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They may have had a HBA base as cheaper rates of pay for ground staff e.g baggage handlers lower awards rates in TAS than on the mainland.
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Old January 26th, 2010, 04:41 PM   #38
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I just paid $199 to get from Melb to Christchurch next month with Pacific Blue. Problem is that I live in Adelaide so I will have to fly over to MEL the night before, however I managed to get a $257 Qantas fare from Wellington to Adelaide on way back. Wellington seems to be much more expensive to fly to or from than CHC
How I long for a direct CHC - ADL flight......perfect cities for weekend breaks, tourism ahhhhhh

I just hate transiting through places
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Old January 26th, 2010, 04:47 PM   #39
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I reckon Pacific blue could give it a go a couple of times a week. CHC-ADL and AKL-HBA too
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Old January 27th, 2010, 07:00 AM   #40
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I recently had to fly HBT - BNE via MEL with DJ because no seats on the direct route. It was a Thursday. No problem with BNE-HBT on the Saturday but the flight was pretty close to full....I am sure DJ are reasonably pleased with the loadings.

I suspect HBT-CBR is doing ok for them too - there are a lot of public servants in Hobart who much prefer the direct link and regualrly schedule meetings to take advantage of it.

The fact DJ recently announced an extra daily HBT- SYD suggests Hobart is doing pretty well considering the GFC. Just need a direct HBT-AKL to give the place a bit more of a boost. I reckon we will get an announcement towards the end of the year - earlier if, as we have a State Election in March, the State Government might tip a few bob in early to get the service started.

Hopefully, we will also see a start on the DFO by the end of this year too.
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