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Old January 14th, 2016, 01:56 AM   #17421
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Scotty my point was that you don't know if they will replace the cladding with the exact same stuff or not and don't know what is being discussed as the solution so please do not make false statements about what is being done unless you know the FACTs.
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Old January 14th, 2016, 06:06 AM   #17422
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You both make some good points

IMHO, the whole cladding should be replaced by the developer for obvious reasons especially when you know where the cladding came from and the quality that has now proven to be. Replacing just part of it and while a practical short term solution, leaves the rest of the building at risk and devalues our investment.

Will Dubai take a stand and force the Developer to do the right thing? I doubt it based on the way the investigation and report were handelled and how these things get dealt with in general in the Middle East.

I still live in hope that the embrassment of the New Years Celebration will make a difference but it may be too late fir the Torch I feel.
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Old January 16th, 2016, 12:34 AM   #17423
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........... please do not make false statements about what is being done unless you know the FACTs.
Here we go again, Stevie big potatoes trying to suggest he is on the inside and is the only one who knows the facts.

Do you have any proof that what I said is false? No, didn't think so
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Old January 16th, 2016, 01:19 AM   #17424
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Do you have any proof that what I said is false? No, didn't think so
Scotty boy, you have no idea if they will replace the cladding with the exact same stuff or not so what you said was not fact! Kingfield announced that they are working with DCD to find the recommended safe solution for the Torch.
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Old January 16th, 2016, 09:00 PM   #17425
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Your argument seems to be based on semantics. I questioned the logic of replacing the burnt cladding with the same flammable cladding. Especially given the fact that cladding fires are becoming more common now. I never said it was a FACT that it would be replaced with the same material but I can genuinely state that I bet they have already tried to go down that route.

You are suggesting that it is not a fact, therefore you seem to be suggesting that something different will be used. Can you back that statement up? NO!

It is likely now, following the events of NYE, that the authorities will block Kingfield from re using this dangerous material. I would suspect that they will invoke the new rules on The Torch given the problem here is current.

If I am right and the authorities are blocking the use of the same flammable cladding, then Kingfield (and you Stevie Boy) have completely mislead everyone by stating the repair works are about to commence imminently, and using phrases suggesting the work will be done by the end of 2015.

Coming up for 1 year now and the current progress is what? Did they prepare a Bill of Quantities for the repair only or the entire building? What about the lazy river?

Enlighten us all Stevie Boy, seeing as you're in the know.
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Old January 16th, 2016, 09:17 PM   #17426
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It's only been a few weeks since the NYE fire and already the management of The Address are streets ahead of the management of The Torch;



I have been saying this should have happened at The Torch since the beginning to make it safe for the public and residents could use the pool. But hey, what do I know?
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Old January 17th, 2016, 07:13 PM   #17427
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Question raised back in April 2015 and still nothing has happened to contain the damaged sections.

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Is the pool still open below all the fire damaged cladding?

I'm quite surprised that they seem still to have not covered the damaged portions with debris netting to catch any loose metalwork and fire debris that may detach itself.
Maybe the building management are happy for it to remain as an eyesore in the Marina and are not really interested in reopening the pool anytime soon. Rentals have crashed 25% as a result, but the owners still praise Kingfield blindly.

As I say, there are none so blind as those who won't see.
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Old January 18th, 2016, 02:50 AM   #17428
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Kingfield currently estimate the works will be complete and the pool will be reopen in 6 months.

currently the covered area of the pool is being used for the site offices of the construction team.
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Old January 18th, 2016, 07:37 AM   #17429
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Almost a year now since the fire has happened and 00.00% progress… just don’t come and ask me to pay for the service fees.
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Old January 18th, 2016, 02:05 PM   #17430
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“If the entire cladding cannot be replaced, then every 10 metres provide a fire-retardant exterior facade system. If there is a fire on the ground floor the first barrier will stop it,” said Sajid Raza, an adviser and vice-president of Butler Engineering consultancy.
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In the Torch Tower [blaze last March], quite recently before the fire they had put in a protection system so we were able to use lift to get forces up to the area of the fire,” Mr Bright said.
http://m.thenational.ae/uae/dubai-hotels-sprinklers-ran-out-of-water-15-minutes-into-fire
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Old January 18th, 2016, 05:05 PM   #17431
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Dubai_Steve I agree with TB here its been 12 months and no progress what so ever on the Torch in terms of fire repairs. This leaves a very bad impression with potential investors and also new tenants. They should get their act together and get this done ASAP rather than giving us excuses!
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Old January 20th, 2016, 09:41 AM   #17432
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absolutely. Very bad showcase for the marina, the developer, and Dubai. Meanwhile all tenants & owners continue to lose their facilities (and/or rental income).
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Old January 21st, 2016, 05:18 AM   #17433
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I disagree, should all be done this year for the Torch.

The processes with the insurance company have been finalised.

The debris removal process of affected apartments is being completed now and consultant engineers are ascertaining the damage so that plans for the renovation of apartments can begin ASAP.

JLT had problems with insurance not paying as I understand.
Well? Done?
Not. Even. Started.

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Old January 30th, 2016, 12:43 AM   #17434
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Insurers have also reacted differently to each fire. It took a long time after the Tamweel Tower fire at Jumeirah Lakes Towers (which occurred in November 2012) before remedial work began last summer, and the building remains unoccupied.

The insurer of the Torch *Tower, Oman Insurance, has sought to move as quickly as possible to repair the parts of a building that were destroyed by fire last February.

Balaji Ganapathy, a senior vice-president of general insurance claims at Oman Insurance, said that two quarterly interim payments have already been made to the Owners’ Association and it has issued a no objection certificate to allow for the appointed project consultant to proceed with its rehabilitation.

“We have been seeking an early commencement of repairs for a matter of months,” said Mr Ganapathy.

“Presently, we understand that the repairs are merely pending formal contracts so that the work can begin.”

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Old February 2nd, 2016, 04:08 PM   #17435
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Kingfield currently estimate the works will be complete and the pool will be reopen in 6 months.

currently the covered area of the pool is being used for the site offices of the construction team.
January is gone now, only 5 months left. Any progress?
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Old February 2nd, 2016, 04:27 PM   #17436
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Old February 16th, 2016, 12:02 PM   #17437
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TORCH FIRE UPDATE - 15/02/16 Dear Residents please find below an update of the constructions works at the Torch The contractors are on site with the consultant engineers and have begun working inside the apartment re-assessing and going through the bill of quantities dealing with all the sub-contractors and preparing materials and looking at the procurement process. Façade and internal apartment works are expected to start soon once the main contractor has all the necessary government permissions and approvals. The external façade work on the building should be completed with 4-6 months, internal work 3-4 months. So all external and internal works should be completed within 6 -7 months. However we will all be doing our very best to try to get them to complete all work as early as possible. We have had a little set back from Dubai Municipality regarding the permits as following the Address fire they rejected our applications and we had to re-submit them via the Consultant Engineer only. These are now being processed and we should get permissions very soon. Currently the contractor ARCO has had a meeting last week with RTA and submitted the proposed methods of work for the rectification work on the exterior and we have had verbal approval on the methods now the documentation will officially be presented once the DM permit arrives. The documentation for the mobilisation payment has been processed and is currently waiting for sign off from the the loss adjusters for payment so that they can issue their next report to the insurance company. We are pushing every Government and private entity to expedite these procedures as quickly as possible. We will update everyone periodically as the works progress.

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Old February 16th, 2016, 08:45 PM   #17438
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TORCH FIRE UPDATE - 15/02/16 Dear Residents please find below an update of the constructions works at the Torch The contractors are on site with the consultant engineers and have begun working inside the apartment re-assessing and going through the bill of quantities dealing with all the sub-contractors and preparing materials and looking at the procurement process. Façade and internal apartment works are expected to start soon once the main contractor has all the necessary government permissions and approvals. The external façade work on the building should be completed with 4-6 months, internal work 3-4 months. So all external and internal works should be completed within 6 -7 months. However we will all be doing our very best to try to get them to complete all work as early as possible. We have had a little set back from Dubai Municipality regarding the permits as following the Address fire they rejected our applications and we had to re-submit them via the Consultant Engineer only. These are now being processed and we should get permissions very soon. Currently the contractor ARCO has had a meeting last week with RTA and submitted the proposed methods of work for the rectification work on the exterior and we have had verbal approval on the methods now the documentation will officially be presented once the DM permit arrives. The documentation for the mobilisation payment has been processed and is currently waiting for sign off from the the loss adjusters for payment so that they can issue their next report to the insurance company. We are pushing every Government and private entity to expedite these procedures as quickly as possible. We will update everyone periodically as the works progress.

Thanks for the update. It's been a year now since the fire happened and they keep on saying the same for the past 6 months. They just trying to buy time... I bet that 6 time down the road it will be no progress...wait and see!
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Old February 18th, 2016, 05:16 AM   #17439
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Out of interest, has there been a reduction in service fees due to the pool being closed?
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Old February 18th, 2016, 10:27 AM   #17440
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That letter is incredible. Reminds me of how they used to say every project was being delayed due to the Infinity flood, yet they still went on to flood their own project. Now they are saying their fire repairs are being delayed due to a fire in the Address Hotel.

Also, can someone follow the logic of the total programme timeline being 6-7 months? Phrases like "reassessing the work against the bill of quantities", "verbal approval" BS, BS, BS!!!

WHERE IS THE DEBRIS NETTING TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC?
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