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Old May 2nd, 2010, 09:44 PM   #101
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It doesn't have the appeal of an ICE 3 or the rest of the Velaro fleet. I liked the round porthole on the door. The square just doesn't do me any good. Plus, I liked it when the windows would look like a continuous glass instead of noticing the interior interruptions between windows panes.
The ICE3 looks better than the Velaro, true, but design elements like continuous gals bands are expensive.
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Old May 3rd, 2010, 06:53 AM   #102
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Though some are decrying the elimination of the forward view for passengers, Siemens has a good reason for deleting this feature- it allows better crash standards and additional fireproofing- to allow running through the Channel Tunnel. Also, it permits additional seating (+40 in this case), so cost performance is better.
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Old May 3rd, 2010, 08:55 AM   #103
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! The new train has a stunning design!
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Old May 4th, 2010, 12:38 AM   #104
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How much units DB ordered? Do you think thath all of them would be used on London - Bruxelles - Cologne - Frankfurt route?
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Old May 4th, 2010, 03:16 PM   #106
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The newspapers wrote that DB plans to run these in half of Europe (I can't remember all countries, but even Spain was mentioned) which seemed to me rather optimistic with only 15 units.
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The newspapers wrote that DB plans to run these in half of Europe (I can't remember all countries, but even Spain was mentioned) which seemed to me rather optimistic with only 15 units.
They already have quite a few multi system ICE's. And they already run them to the Netherlands, Belgium and France. I asume these units will be used to reinforce the pool used for these services. I wouldn't mind seeing more ICE services on Brussel - Köln.
A service to the South of France and even Barcelona might make sense too. But don't forget that for a daily train in both directions on that route you'd only need two trainsets.
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Old May 6th, 2010, 04:06 PM   #108
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They already have quite a few multi system ICE's. And they already run them to the Netherlands, Belgium and France. I asume these units will be used to reinforce the pool used for these services. I wouldn't mind seeing more ICE services on Brussel - Köln.
A service to the South of France and even Barcelona might make sense too. But don't forget that for a daily train in both directions on that route you'd only need two trainsets.
Today I wrote information in polish rail internet http://inforail.pl/text.php?from=main&id=32562 thath DB plans connection from Frankfurt (maybe also from Cologne?) with this trains to Marsellie (so also to Lyon) using new high-speed line in France (Rhin - Rohne). It's good idea specially for summer connection also to Nicea and Barcelona.

So I think with only 15 trains DB would serve only north (London) and south (Mediterranean coast).
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Old May 6th, 2010, 04:34 PM   #109
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What a sleek and beautiful train. The new Velaro's front bit looks quite similar to the KTX II. I also happen to like the neatness of the livery. It accentuates the train very well.
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Only eight cars, too short I think.
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Only eight cars, too short I think.
maybe you should look up other high speed trains, because most of them in europe are designed to be ~200 m long or ~ 400 when coupled
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The new Technical Specifications for Interoperability define european standards and specifications for railways. Between them the maximum standard length, 400 m. This can be obtained by a single 400 m trainset, two 200 m ones, three of 133 m each, or any else combination. But the most used standard is 200 m: RailJet, Velaro, TGV, ETR 600, ...
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Yes, I know dat 200m is the standard. But maybe it is interestesting to invest in longer trainsets. For example trains of 10 or 12 cars.
I think that transport by train, become very important now and in future.
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Yes, I know dat 200m is the standard. But maybe it is interestesting to invest in longer trainsets. For example trains of 10 or 12 cars.
I think that transport by train, become very important now and in future.
you have to balance the required capacity and the timetable

it is much easier with standardized trains that can be coupled in a few seconds


a fleet made up of EMUs of different lenghts would be extremely inefficient in that regard
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Old May 8th, 2010, 07:57 PM   #116
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What a sleek and beautiful train. The new Velaro's front bit looks quite similar to the KTX II. I also happen to like the neatness of the livery. It accentuates the train very well.
I think the Velaro looks better thant the KTXII. The latter looks like a bad and cheap imitation of the TGV.
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Old May 9th, 2010, 02:18 AM   #117
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I think it looks great. muscular..
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Old May 9th, 2010, 11:35 AM   #118
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Hey do you know what's the access to the factory in Krefeld? There's a chance I'll be traveling to Germany in June and I'd like to photograph the manufacturing of the Velaros.
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Only eight cars, too short I think.
8 cars is just right. You can couple two of them and form 16 car sets if you need more capacity. With 10 or 12 car sets you don't have this flexibility. But it's not so much the number of cars ( a tgv has 10 "cars" but is more or less the same length) but the train length that counts. 200m is ideal. Two coupled fit within the European maximum.

I can see the DB running more Brussel - Köln trains, and coupling them with a train from Amsterdam for the run to Frankfurt, as they already do on some services.
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Old May 10th, 2010, 08:21 AM   #120
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Yes, I know dat 200m is the standard. But maybe it is interestesting to invest in longer trainsets. For example trains of 10 or 12 cars.
I think that transport by train, become very important now and in future.
You could buy 200m and 100m trainsets, as the SBB is doing now. This way you can form trains of 200m, 300m and 400m, depending on need. However you can't really fit a restaurant in a four car set. So an eight car set is a very useful size. And if you need more you just couple two sets.
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