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Old December 9th, 2017, 05:34 AM   #3921
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According to this guy who used to work for the port authority the utility bill for the W.T.C was $20,000,000 for one year..Bldgs.1,2,4,5,and 6 only..The Vista (3) and 7 were on their own.

Be interesting to know how much the complex brought in from leasing and other ventures. WOTW restaurant was making $37,000,000 alone in it's last year. The highest amount of any American restaurant!
I believe the complex was taking in $200,000,000 a year by the end of it's lifetime. It was some of the most valuable real estate in the city by that point.

Not to mention having a 98% occupancy rate and the highest grossing restaurant in the US.
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Old December 9th, 2017, 09:57 AM   #3922
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I've been meaning to ask. Notice the white rectangle in the North Tower's upper crown. What exactly is that?

improvised cinema in the restaurant)
I was wrong.. the lower mech. fl.
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Old December 9th, 2017, 01:14 PM   #3923
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I believe the complex was taking in $200,000,000 a year by the end of it's lifetime. It was some of the most valuable real estate in the city by that point.

Not to mention having a 98% occupancy rate and the highest grossing restaurant in the US.
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Old December 9th, 2017, 03:36 PM   #3924
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Old December 10th, 2017, 03:24 AM   #3925
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Stunning view. Probably taken from the Staten Island Ferry.

Man, people going to their work every day and going back home that lived on
Staten Island had the biggest luck on the planet for seeing such a sight as you were approaching or leaving.
I was only able to see it from Brooklyn Heights back in the day.
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Old December 10th, 2017, 12:30 PM   #3926
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSI_6EhwFpo

Bittersweet then and now comparison video here. Just with every WTC video old or new the comments are filled with such posters too young to remember The Twin towers and wishing they were rebuilt!

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Old December 12th, 2017, 01:10 AM   #3927
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Twin Towers NYC'98 by Maurizio Michele Zuzzaro, on Flickr

World Trade Center by Kev Cook, on Flickr

Manhattan Skyline and Brooklyn Bridge, NYC by Dave Kliman, on Flickr
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Old December 12th, 2017, 09:31 PM   #3928
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Iconic, them were absolutely iconic, no other words. Those Twins will stood in our mind forever. We will miss them forever.
No other building will replace them, surely not that shitty freedom tower.

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Old December 13th, 2017, 12:15 PM   #3929
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You have to remember the Twin Towers in 1966-1972 during construction was far bigger than this complex.

Not just the bath tub but the actual towers themselves, including the entire elevator system with the transit hubs on the 44th and 77th floor, the set of outer core columns and inner core columns to have more open and free office space for tenants to see fit to their needs and demands (several companies like Cantor Fitzgerald: 101-105th floor and Marsh & McLennan: 93-100th floor had staircases built between their floors to connect), and the concept, design and use of floor trusses to strengthen the entire structure.


Can you imagine what new ones would have been?

I had to post this on this thread because not only that I found it so spot on but also rather moving.

Imagine if they had rebuilt them and the records made and broken all over again......

For me 9/11 is two tragic events. The day itself and the day they signed off the construction of the new complex.
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Old December 13th, 2017, 11:38 PM   #3930
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I had to post this on this thread because not only that I found it so spot on but also rather moving.

Imagine if they had rebuilt them and the records made and broken all over again......

For me 9/11 is two tragic events. The day itself and the day they signed off the construction of the new complex.
Thanks btw. It sure is. Of course this new complex has been designed with
new inventions and technologies. BUT the Twin Towers were a whole different class
themselves and even greater. With One WTC you had the Burj Khalifa and
its glass facade tower 2000 ft. in the air.

In regards to the Twin Towers in the 60's and 70's, none like it had been built before.
They were truly a world's first. Not just in its enormous size but also the
marvelous piece of engineering that took place to make the Twin Towers
a reality is exactly what made America great today.

Almost like a tragic poem the quote you used. Major new inventions aren't
coming in NYC anymore. The Twin Towers were a real and pure Manhattan
invention, creation and icon. This excludes the outdoor observation deck.

The Twin Towers are what Manhattan is. A living embodiment.



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Old December 14th, 2017, 01:15 AM   #3931
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Check this out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VBFf6iIEvQ
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Old December 14th, 2017, 11:35 PM   #3932
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Thank you for sharing. Not very good video quality. But hey, you're probably talking about the mid-90's.

The Greatest Bar On Earth for a reason. Can still remember visiting it
in March 1992. Was a foggy and cloudy day, except for the top part which
stuck out of the clouds into the blue skies.

Similar like this.
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Old December 15th, 2017, 12:00 AM   #3933
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Destroyed the monument of modern architecture ..
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Thank you for sharing. Not very good video quality. But hey, you're probably talking about the mid-90's.
I know, it almost looks like a webcam video
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Old December 15th, 2017, 12:37 AM   #3935
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It's amazing how long it takes to create something and how little time to destroy
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Old December 15th, 2017, 05:43 PM   #3936
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Lower Manhattan from the Circle Line by dM.nyc™, on Flickr

lower Manhattan by Roman Staszewski, on Flickr

World Trade Center Deep Blue Sky by Joel, on Flickr

Twin Towers NYC'98 by Maurizio Michele Zuzzaro, on Flickr
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Old December 17th, 2017, 09:41 PM   #3937
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It's amazing how long it takes to create something and how little time to destroy
It's amazing how a few political hacks and greedy businessmen in collusion with
several huge fake news outlets can decide the outcome of a rebuilding process
and forcing the public to live with something so small and insignificant in regards
to what was there before 9/11 and the actual event itself, that it's mind-boggling.

Oh well! After the 2016 Presidential Election, nothing surprises us anymore.

Action and reaction.
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Old December 19th, 2017, 08:37 PM   #3938
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Ah - yes, new ones. Much better.
Please continue keeping up the good work of changing American course of
action President Trump. One domino falling after the other.
Not just the establishment and elite narrative of Russia hacking the election or in
collusion with, but in a general sense the overall dominoes tipping over one by
one as the whole witch hunt continues to fall apart by each passing day.
Expose and expose. May it come down to the Swamp at
Ground Zero and the whole rebuilding scandal too eventually.



Who knows what the court of action might be the following years. Interesting nonetheless.
Will it be as worse as Harvey Weinstein and getting as much attention once exposed as the
whole Russia hysteria? It certainly has the perfect ingredients. So please continue President Trump.
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Old December 20th, 2017, 10:40 AM   #3939
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I was watching Coming To America with Eddie Murphy the other day and there is a brilliant shot in it of Eddie walking in Brooklyn with the Manhattan skyline in the background at nighttime. I believe it was filmed in the late eighties. Seeing stuff like this reminds me of how so much changed after 9/11, pre-9/11 almost seems like a different planet today. It really seems like a lot of innocence and happiness has been lost.
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Old December 20th, 2017, 09:10 PM   #3940
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I was watching Coming To America with Eddie Murphy the other day and there is a brilliant shot in it of Eddie walking in Brooklyn with the Manhattan skyline in the background at nighttime. I believe it was filmed in the late eighties. Seeing stuff like this reminds me of how so much changed after 9/11, pre-9/11 almost seems like a different planet today. It really seems like a lot of innocence and happiness has been lost.
Yes, Coming to America is a legendary film in the comedy genre.
Eddie Murphy as always hilarious and just a terrific actor.

Well take a look at Manhattan itself. It has been 7 years ago I visited the
place for the last time on a family vacation trip. After 9/11, Manhattan was
never the same anymore. Even before I moved to Sydney, Australia, I
remember you could sense and see the doubt in people's face and behavior
on the streets following days, weeks and months after 9/11 and being
unsure all of a sudden about the future.

Rebuilding the Twin Towers back then would have brought back that faith
and believe that in American nothing is impossible again - dream no small dreams,
that would have gradually allowed people to heal and return back in that same spirit
that was before the attacks happened.

16 years later and War on Terror bla bla bla, yes, definitely lost innocence and happiness.
It took the victory of President Trump to realize that for a fair share of the US Public.
Once again, maybe his election victory is the best change we can hope for.
So far I am not disappointed.
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