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Old June 29th, 2017, 10:31 AM   #2101
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New ITALO AGV 675 ,Produced by ALSTOM in Savigliano (ITALY)

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Old July 5th, 2017, 09:10 PM   #2102
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There is info that some freight trains will use AV lines in Italy. If I am right the maximum cant allowed for traditional lines is 160mm, how about the AV lines, should be the same if freight is allowed?
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Old July 5th, 2017, 10:43 PM   #2103
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Yes, it's 160 mm.
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Old August 8th, 2017, 12:02 PM   #2104
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Transport and Infrastructure Minister Graziano Delrio announced Monday that the interministerial economic planning committee (CIPE) has approved a contract with rail network company RFI for investments worth 13.2 billion euros. He said the money was for "a series of big projects, such as Sicilian high-speed rail and the European corridors". He added that RFI has had 32 billion euros from the State in the 2015-2017 period, compared to 4.5 billion in the previous three years. "This is the change of pace of investment" he said.

http://www.tgcom24.mediaset.it/econo...-201702a.shtml
http://www.rainews.it/dl/rainews/art...5c5e50327.html
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Old August 8th, 2017, 08:42 PM   #2105
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No, Torino - Milano and Roma - Napoli are part of the lines that can be raised.

Not all of them though: there's a bend on a bridge on the Ticino River, between Torino and Milano, that has too small radius to allow 350km/h safely.

And of course all the line Roma - Firenze isn't capable of more than 250-300km/h (depending on the stretch).
Excuse me, but isn't this line quite modern? Why couldn't it be raised any more?
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Old August 8th, 2017, 08:55 PM   #2106
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The first sections of that line were opened in the 1970's. The smallest radius on the line is 3000m, which is just too tight for 350km/h running.
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Old August 8th, 2017, 09:00 PM   #2107
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So, quite a waste for a new line you'd say.

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Old August 8th, 2017, 09:10 PM   #2108
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As I said, the line was built in the 70's and 80's. Nobody thought about 350km/h-running trains back then.

Another problem is that there are tons of slower short distance trains especially on the southern part of the line. Having fast trains do 350km/h in those mixed-use sections would totally trash capacity.
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Old August 13th, 2017, 04:22 PM   #2109
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Is not - only - that. The radius won't allow 350kmh, but would easily allow 300kmh.

The first section, between Rome and Chiusi Sud, has a too short space between the two tracks. To have trains running at 300kmh there is a minimum space needed to dissipate air when trains pass one next to the other, and on that section there isn't enough.

Of course, tracks may be moved slight far apart to make enough room, but not in tunnels.

The stretch Chiusi Sud - Firenze Rovezzano instead, being built slightly after the first one, has enough space and in fact speed should be raised to 300 km/h.

All this only speaking of infrastructure. Signalling systems need to be changed as well, from 9-codes BACC to ERTMS L2 (but this - afaik - is in process). And also power supply is a blocker somehow: 3kV DC is a bit too low for 300km/h and it needs a lot of substations and power to allow it.
Line cannot be upgraded to 25kV AC because there are regional/IC/ICN trains running on it that are not multi-tension.
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Old August 13th, 2017, 08:20 PM   #2110
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Anyway, because Italy and Japan build they first high-speed tracks, worldwide, was it possible to test what would have been necessary to go even faster. France, again with Japan, made the necessary developments for trains capable of higher speeds.
How to build tracks and trains for highest speeds was a continous evolution during, at least, 4 decades started shortly after WWII, after repairs of war damages were largly settled.
It's normal that first attempts were non at state-of-the-art as nowadays. Trains went out of service, lines will last for centuries.
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Old August 16th, 2017, 05:57 AM   #2111
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I remember the V250s being brought up here a couple weeks ago and I happened to find this and though it was relevant.

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Trenitalia agrees to acquire V250 trainsets ,
ITALY: Trenitalia has agreed to acquire 17 of the former Fyra V250 trainsets to expand its high speed train fleet. The contract includes five years of ‘full-service’ maintenance with an optional five-year extension.

According to a notice published in the Official Journal of the EU on August 11, Trenitalia says it finalised the agreement on August 4. Justifying the awarding of a contract without a prior call for tenders, the operator argued that the trains could only be provided by a single supplier for ‘technical reasons’. It explained that the agreement was a ‘bargain purchase, taking advantage of a particularly advantageous opportunity available for a very short time at a price considerably lower than market prices’.
http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/h...trainsets.html
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Old August 16th, 2017, 07:58 AM   #2112
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Well, I'm very interested to see how the 'bargain purchase' V250s will fare in Italy.
Some reassembly may be required to make them work properly (DSB has given up on that with their MGs/MPs).
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Direttiva 2014/25/UE
Sezione I: Ente aggiudicatore

I.1)
Denominazione e indirizzi
Trenitalia SpA — Direzione Acquisti
Piazza della Croce Rossa 1
Roma
00161
Italia
E-mail: [email protected]
Codice NUTS: IT
Indirizzi Internet:
Indirizzo principale: www.trenitalia.it
Indirizzo del profilo di committente: www.acquistionline.trenitalia.it
I.2)
Appalto congiunto
I.6)
Principali settori di attività
Servizi ferroviari
Sezione II: Oggetto

II.1)
Entità dell'appalto
II.1.1)
Denominazione:
2017R30T Fornitura di 17 treni V250, comprensiva del full-service manutentivo.
II.1.2)
Codice CPV principale
34620000
II.1.3)
Tipo di appalto
Forniture
II.1.4)
Breve descrizione:
L'appalto consiste nella fornitura in favore di Trenitalia di n.17 treni V250. La Fornitura comprende il full-service manutentivo dei treni per un periodo di 5 anni con facoltà di proroga di ulteriori 5 anni da parte di Trenitalia.
II.1.6)
Informazioni relative ai lotti
Questo appalto è suddiviso in lotti: no
II.2)
Descrizione
II.2.1)
Denominazione:
II.2.2)
Codici CPV supplementari
II.2.3)
Luogo di esecuzione
Codice NUTS: IT
II.2.4)
Descrizione dell'appalto:
L'appalto consiste nella fornitura in favore di Trenitalia di n.17 treni V250. La Fornitura comprende il full-service manutentivo dei treni per un periodo di 5 anni con facoltà di proroga di ulteriori 5 anni da parte di Trenitalia.
II.2.11)
Informazioni relative alle opzioni
Opzioni: sì
Descrizione delle opzioni:
Opzione per la proroga di ulteriori 5 anni della durata del full-service manutentivo dei treni.
II.2.13)
Informazioni relative ai fondi dell'Unione europea
L'appalto è connesso ad un progetto e/o programma finanziato da fondi dell'Unione europea: no
II.2.14)
Informazioni complementari
Il Valore totale finale del contratto indicato al par. II.1.7 include il valore dell'opzione di cui al precedente par. II.2.11.
Sezione IV: Procedura

IV.1)
Descrizione
IV.1.1)
Tipo di procedura
Aggiudicazione di un appalto senza previa pubblicazione di un avviso di indizione di gara nella Gazzetta ufficiale dell'Unione europea nei casi elencati di seguito
I lavori, le forniture o i servizi possono essere forniti unicamente da un determinato operatore economico per una delle seguenti ragioni:
la concorrenza è assente per motivi tecnici
Acquisto di opportunità effettuato approfittando di un'occasione particolarmente vantaggiosa ma di breve durata, ad un prezzo sensibilmente inferiore ai prezzi di mercato
Spiegazione:
Affidamento diretto ai sensi dell'art. dell'art. 125, comma 1, lettere c) e h) del D.Lgs. 50/2016.
IV.1.3)
Informazioni su un accordo quadro o un sistema dinamico di acquisizione
IV.1.6)
Informazioni sull'asta elettronica
IV.1.8)
Informazioni relative all'accordo sugli appalti pubblici (AAP)
L'appalto è disciplinato dall'accordo sugli appalti pubblici: sì
IV.2)
Informazioni di carattere amministrativo
IV.2.1)
Pubblicazione precedente relativa alla stessa procedura
IV.2.8)
Informazioni relative alla chiusura del sistema dinamico di acquisizione
IV.2.9)
Informazioni relative alla cessazione dell'avviso di indizione di gara in forma di avviso periodico indicativo
Sezione V: Aggiudicazione di appalto

Contratto d'appalto n.: 1
Lotto n.: 1
Denominazione:
2017R30T Fornitura di 17 treni V250, comprensiva del full-service manutentivo
Un contratto d'appalto/lotto è stato aggiudicato: sì
V.2)
Aggiudicazione di appalto
V.2.1)
Data di conclusione del contratto d'appalto:
04/08/2017
V.2.4)
Informazione sul valore del contratto d'appalto /lotto (IVA esclusa)
V.2.5)
Informazioni sui subappalti
È probabile che il contratto d'appalto venga subappaltato
V.2.6)
Prezzo pagato per gli acquisti di opportunità
Sezione VI: Altre informazioni

VI.3)
Informazioni complementari:
VI.4)
Procedure di ricorso
VI.4.1)
Organismo responsabile delle procedure di ricorso
Tribunale territorialmente competente
Roma
Italia
VI.4.2)
Organismo responsabile delle procedure di mediazione
VI.4.3)
Procedure di ricorso
VI.4.4)
Servizio presso il quale sono disponibili informazioni sulle procedure di ricorso
VI.5)
Data di spedizione del presente avviso:
07/08/2017
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Old August 16th, 2017, 10:59 AM   #2114
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This is going to be interesting....
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Naples - Bari High speed rail

Hey

I am very curious about the future Naples - Bari High-Speed Rail.
Unfortunatly there is not much to be found online (in English).

The only reasonable article with information seems to be that one:
http://www.railway-technology.com/pr...ilway-project/

Things I didn't understand:

- Construction of the first sections (Naples - Cancello) has started.
It says "Completition in 2022".
Is completition in 2022 only for "Naples - Cancello" or for all the line "Naples - Bari"?

- Does somebody have a map of the complete project?
Do trains need to change directions at Napoli Afragola?

- Where does the new line / the project finish? At Napoli Centrale, at the intersection "Salice" or at Napoli Afragola?

- Does the new High speed rail also increase the travel time to south Italy / Sicily? Or will those trains run (like today) via Salerno?

- Is it all a new railway or will it also be upgrading of excisting rail?

Thanks for any information!

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Napoli - Bari involves more improvements on the existing railway and some bypasses. It will not, sadly, be a full-blown greenfield high speed line like Firenze-Bologna.

Trains travelling between Roma and Bari will be able to bypass Napoli completely, taking a spur out of the high speed line near Capua and then make a full use of the Caserta bypass.
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travel to Basilicata and Calabria will be completely unaffected. The connection to Bari goes via Benevento.
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