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Old July 3rd, 2005, 12:28 AM   #41
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Originally Posted by Sarajka
I hope we succeed in rebuilding the tourism industry in Sarajevo as well, Mic. We're very lucky in that we're able to feed off other tourism industries - and they let us.

For example: http://www.croatiafortravellers.co.u...coachtours.htm

http://www.atlas-croatia.com/en/inde...d=20&Itemid=86
(Typical itinerary: Day 2 Monday DUBROVNIK - MOSTAR - SARAJEVO:
Morning departure to Mostar. Sightseeing tour of Mostar including the old Bazaar, the Mosque and a typical Turkish house. We continue up to Sarajevo.
Afternoon city tour of Sarajevo including Bascarsija, Oriental Svrzo House and Tunel War Museum.Dinner and overnight in Sarajevo. Day 3 Tuesday SARAJEVO - ZAGREB: After breakfast, we drive northwards to Slavonski Brod where we arrive at lunch time. We continue to Zagreb.
Dinner and overnight in Zagreb.)

There is barely a guided tour in Croatia that doesn't include a day trip to Bosnia - mainly to Medugorje and Mostar, but more frequently to Sarajevo. I'm confident that Sarajevo isn't something that needs to be marketed. If we can get people to come here, then that's enough. Just as it, word will spread again and people will start to return.

Anyhow, I don't care that I have to connect through other airports to travel - if you go far enough, you almost always have to anyway. I'd just much rather be giving my money to a country like Bulgaria than, say, Germany or Austria.

So good luck Bulgaria! Come out onto the market with your arms swining and lets see what you can do!

great stuff Mila,
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Old July 3rd, 2005, 12:29 AM   #42
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PSA sorry to go off subject Sofia is great, did I say that before, lol
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Old July 3rd, 2005, 05:08 AM   #43
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One more pic

Here you can clearly see the 210 meter finger. According to plans it's the first of atleast three such fingers.

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Old July 15th, 2005, 12:55 AM   #44
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If anyone wants to post pics of their airports, that's fine with me. The more color the better. Anyway, I'll keep this updated from time to time.

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Old July 15th, 2005, 01:12 AM   #45
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Yes, please bring us more photos whenever you can , especially showing the construction, of this beautiful new airport terminal
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Old July 15th, 2005, 01:44 AM   #46
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Some nice stuff they're building in Sofia. For sure in EE top 5.
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Old July 18th, 2005, 03:03 AM   #47
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This is a nice airport, not like the crap I am afraid they will built in Tirana. What's the cost of the airport, i might have missed it, 56k you know.
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Old July 18th, 2005, 04:10 AM   #48
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Hi thebackdoorman, initially the cost of the new terminal and runway went for 192 million euro. Coming at completion it's just over 200 million euro. With the road connection and the connecting airtraffic control centre already completed, the new airport complex comes in at nearly 300 million euro, or about 360 million US dollars. Interesting enough, this is the cost of phase 1 and much more work will be done in the years to come.
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Old July 18th, 2005, 04:45 AM   #49
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What's the standard cost for an airport these days?
360 millions seems like a lot to me
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Old July 18th, 2005, 05:17 AM   #50
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Hi 3tmk, well consider the costs of the giants... Take Hong Kong's airport, the new one in Kuala Lampur, the one being built in Bangkok, or just as well the recentyl started construction of the new terminal in Beijing. All these airports run in the multi billions of dollars. They are also designed to handle upwards of 50 million passengers a year. As a side note, the new terminal in Shanghai also cost billions. Yet, what is even more striking is that the Maglev train connection to Down Town Shanghai (Pudong district), itself cost over 1 billion dollars. This is just a transport link meant only for arriving and departing passengers. It is also built by a German corporation, and is the first magnetically levitated commercially used train in the world capable of reaching over 500 km/h. Anyway, the point is that many of the new hub airports in developing regions or newly industrialised countries are very expensive. Thus on a regional scale, such as in the Balkans or even the EE, Sofia's new airport is quite expensive, but in comparison to the above listed, it's just a fraction of the cost. Anyway, I've included all the works to be done in the next few years to the Sofia Airport in one of my previous posts from about two weeks ago, and if all goes according to plan, an estimated 500-600 million more Euro will be invested in the airport and connecting hotels, business centres, infrastructure... They are even finished a preliminary assesment of a metro line all the way to the airport from down town Sofia. Hey, it's not a Maglev train, but it's a good start. All in all, the idea is that approximately one billion will have been invested when all is said and done. This ofcourse has to go hand in hand with the economic development of the country, and tourism will get a special boost if we get the 2014 Olympics. Well, it's great for the city and the country. Step by step, who knows, maybe as they say Sofia has a chance to become the business and finance capital of the Balkans. As I've always said, I hope all countries develop well, because it will be of great benefit to everyone. Cheers...
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Old July 18th, 2005, 05:21 AM   #51
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Well it's a good thing they've got a masterplan for the future, and follow the plans!
I think Sofyanski is leaving, do you know who's the fave candidate for the next elections?
Let's hope whoever it is, he (or she) will have the will to do something for the good of the city
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Old July 18th, 2005, 06:00 AM   #52
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I'm not sure who the fave will be. Sofianski has taken up his post in the national parliament, so he's out. Now he's being replaced by the former deputy mayor I believe. Regardless, the Sofia masterplan was passed in parliament and approved as a guiding light for the next 20 or so years. The plan envisions Sofia as a international tourist and business city. It's suppost to become one of the best connected capitals in all of europe, considering the important transport corridors passing through it, most on their way to Istanbul. Anyway, they even passed the law allowing the construction of unlimited height skyscrapers in the centre of the city. Supposedly there are investors lined up for this, both because the realestate industry is growing rapidly, full of potential and giving good returns. The prospects are especially good since Bulgaria is likely to enter the EU in 2007. Anyway, I'm looking forward to the skyscrapers.
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Old July 18th, 2005, 06:06 AM   #53
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^I didn't know about this (height law), and it's indeed good news if we want a nice looking skyline, and if it gets to bring business to the city. And when you think about it, it's not like the towers will have anything to hide, so not much problems from NIMBYs
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Old July 18th, 2005, 06:10 AM   #54
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I'm sorry, I didn't catch your last sentence. What do you mean?
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Old July 18th, 2005, 06:13 AM   #55
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Well most cities have problems as they complaints from neighbors that the tower will shadow them, etc.
You've got similar problems in London, like the LBT with the views on St. Paul or Big Ben or whatever it was in the city. Or people complaining a building will bring traffic, pollution, etc. When they get together, associations can kill plans, so I'm just saying that they probably won't get many problems in Sofia
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Old July 18th, 2005, 06:25 AM   #56
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Yeah, I understand now. Well, I hope there won't be any problems. Unfortunately, one of the obshtinars has stopped some potential construction of three towers on Todor Alexandrov, which according to one article are suppost to be at 35 floors each. Another article said two will be at 35 floors and one at 30 I think. Anyway, some guy doen's want them built. The theory is that these obshtinars don't want tall buildings built in their areas, because then the available office space will be increased exponentially and the per square meter cost of space, both residential and business will stall or even brought down. When I read this, I was really annoyed. First of all, these guys just want to reap in profits for themselves, second this kind of perspective is both selfish and short term. I mean, if suddenly their area becomes popular for it's highrises and relative importance, prices will rises regardless. All in all, this is some chump who's a part of the BSP, aka the born again socialists, or realistically speaking communists in sheeps clothing. I don't mean to get political, but if we are to have a free market, these guys shouldn't be allowed to interefere in business affairs. Let's just hope that Sofia's chief architect Mr. Yanev, who's supporting the skyscraper project can succeed with his plans. Let's hope Sofia will become a highrise metropolis.
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Old July 18th, 2005, 06:30 AM   #57
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^well the highrise metropolis will take some time to get built, I doubt we'll manage to copy Warsaw or Moscow in the present, but over 20 or 30 years as you said, I guess Sofia could have a pretty sweet cluster, with the EU entrance and all, that should bring even more investors, as they get more confident in the market
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Old July 18th, 2005, 06:39 AM   #58
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I am optimistic. I hope we can do that within 10-15 years. If we win the bid for the 2014 winter olympics, we may have a multitude of investors knocking at our door. Let's hope the gov's policy will welcome them like guests of honor.
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Old July 18th, 2005, 09:53 PM   #59
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I was expecting the cost to be much higher based on the renderings. 360 million is a lot but considering that it will be the main airport of the country, it does not seem that much. Also, as for the 500 million that will be invested later for hotels and similar things, they are usually dealt by the private sector. For the skyscrapers in the center, is there a lot of space or will they have to do some deconstructing?
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Old July 19th, 2005, 12:01 AM   #60
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Well, consider that most of the infrastructure was already built, because this new terminal is about 500 meters from the old terminal. So, it wasn't like they went to a totally new site or anything. Also, this is phase 1. The airport is suppost to be expanded consecutively over the coming years. Some have suggested that it's capacity may near 20 million by 2020. I just read an article in stroitelstvo.info that has experts projecting the number of tourists in Bulgaria at 15 million/year in 2015. They talk about Bulgaria becoming a major congress tourism destination. Anyway, based on other statistics that I've read, of these 15 million, likely 12-13 million will be coming by air, mostly from W. Europe. Of these, 5-6 million will be handled by Burgas and Varna airports together. So, about 7-8 million tourists may be handled by Sofia Airport in 2015. These are foreigners, which excludes the number of Bulgarians living abroad and living within that will also use this airport. This figure will be another 2-4 million people/year, if not more, considering that one person can use the airport 5 times in a year and as is standard practice, be counted as 5 seperate people. Anyway, the airport could very realistically be handling well over 10-11 million passengers/year in 10 years time. Also, since it is common practice to keep airport capacity well above current annual traffic, the airport will most likely be carried through phase 2 and 3, in order to meet a potential capacity of 15-20 million passed 2020. In my opinion, this is a medium projection, and as the economy integrates itself further into the EU and becomes ever more wealthy on a per capita basis, these figures may even become outdated. Anyway, for phase 1, I consider ~$360 million US as alot of money, and I certainly see it as an economically sound investment. I do ofcourse hope that the development of the terminal and overall airport complex will continue at a brisk pace, and it wouldn't be bad to see many more millions invested as the need constantly arises. That would be a sure sign of prosperity, or a prerequisite to it, depending on one's perspective ofcourse...

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