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Old May 11th, 2005, 09:55 PM   #1
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Glasgow Subway Labour Dispute

Fresh war of words breaks out in subway dispute
11 May 2005
The Herald

THE chances of a speedy resolution to the four-month-old Glasgow Subway dispute took a step in the wrong direction last night following a fresh war of words.

Union officials reacted angrily to claims from Strathclyde Passenger Transport that an internal power struggle within the Transport and General Workers' Union had delayed a settlement.

On Monday, workers rejected a deal which would have guaranteed most employees nearly GBP20,000 a year. The offer was rejected by just 15 votes and one manager has admitted that sacking all the strikers was now an option.

Harry Copeland, shop steward, who is part of the T&G negotiating team and the station master at Partick, was criticised for his role in the dispute.

An SPT management source said talks had progressed well until Mr Copeland returned from holiday when negotiations collapsed.

The T&G said management sources speaking out against one shop steward only served to worsen the atmosphere and put at risk any chances of a negotiated settlement.

Scott Foley, T&G regional industrial organiser, said:

"What SPT needs to do is ref lect, as we in the T&G are doing, on why the latest pay offer was rejected.

"Personalising the dispute to one shop steward, who has actually done his best to put the latest offer to his colleagues in an open manner, distracts from the process."

He added: "The travelling public will not understand or forgive SPT if, by their illjudged and ill-informed intervention against one individual, they prolong a dispute by snatching defeat from the jaws of victory."

The union has organised a further mass meeting for Sunday. Union members will discuss how they want to proceed and brief the negotiators.

The T&G was reported as claiming that the idea of a power struggle had been overplayed. A source said: "Our negotiators are having problems with SPT's middle managers. They are quite appalling.

The latest offer was not recommended by the union because it did not accurately ref lect what had been previously said by management."

SPT denied that, and said it was disappointed the pay row had not been settled.

Both sides said they were prepared to continue negotiations, but SPT said it had the option of sacking almost 200 train drivers, safety workers and ticket collectors, as well as station masters and deputies.

Changes in employment law mean management will be allowed to tear up the contracts of employment of every striker from May 13, rehiring them under different terms and conditions.

New employment laws allow managers to dismiss strikers after an industrial dispute has been going on for 12 weeks, but they have to show that all reasonable steps have been taken to find a solution.

The latest deal rejected by staff, which the SPT described as its "final pay offer", would have given drivers a guaranteed income of GBP19,848 by 2006/07.

Station masters would have received GBP19,653 and station assistants GBP16,107, an average increase of about 10 per cent.
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Old May 11th, 2005, 10:33 PM   #2
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a pay rise of 10 % seems reasonable surely. nless they haven't had a pay rise for some time more than 2 years then surely 10% is pretty good. Obviously it is not that well paid and compared to the london underground it is quite a bit lower - then again glasgow is cheaper to live in.
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Old March 22nd, 2006, 06:37 PM   #3
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The Glasgow Subway Extreme Challenge

A classic student stunt in Glasgow, UK

The challenge: You are on the Glasgow subway, and you have to get off at Buchanan Street station and somehow get to the next stop (St Enoch Centre), in time to get back on the train you got off at Buchanan Street.

The facts: The train takes roughly 55 - 60 seconds to get from Buchanan St. to St Enoch. Above the ground it's a downhill run on one of the UK's most prestigious shopping streets, with two road crossings intersecting it.

Rules: You can do anything you like to get from one stop to the next, bearing in mind that Buchanan Street is a pedestrianised precinct, so no cars can be used.

A video of someone attempting the Challenge:Glasgow Subway Challenge

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It's a quality idea - are there any other cities where you could do a similar stunt on the Metro/Subway?
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Old March 22nd, 2006, 06:50 PM   #4
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Yes there was a stunt arranged (I forget who by) to show how 'slow' the underground, especially my beloved District Line, is.

It involved getting off a Wimbledon train at Sloane Square and sprinting down the Kings Road through Chelsea to Fulham Broadway (5 stops) and trying to beat the train there. Some of the pack succeeded, some didn't make it.

It was a bit unfair on the District Line though; Sloane Square to Fulham is not direct as the crow flies whereas the Kings Road is, so the train is covering probably twice the distance as well as stopping at Earl's Court, where trains are timetabled a few minute's dwell for connections.

It was a one off I believe, I think it may have been organised by the Evening Standard (who hate the underground) or a passenger pressure group. I'd laugh if the runners had been hit by a bus on the King's Road
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Old March 23rd, 2006, 12:46 AM   #5
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Haha I reckoned it had to be possible with the Tube

I know what you mean though, meandering routes do not a straight line make, theres no real point in trying to show the service up there. If it's such a problem, why don't the lazy buggers just walk!
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Old March 23rd, 2006, 10:54 PM   #6
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haha very funny!
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Old March 24th, 2006, 01:41 AM   #7
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It should be possible in Hamburg to catch the same train after a walk. Hamburg's line U1 is U-shaped, which I would consider a sin of urban planning because subway lines should be built as straight as possible to be efficient.

The stations Sengelmannstrasse and Alter Teichweg are only 2.5 km apart but line U1 needs 32 minutes for the distance and makes a huge curve through the city centre with 18 stations along the way. So it should be easy to catch the same train after a relaxed walk between the two stations. So it won't be as spectacular as the Glasgow challenge
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Old March 24th, 2006, 03:32 AM   #8
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Definitly possible in the above-grounf portion of the Boston green line. Ive raced the train before. Walking. And won (true, the traffic lights helped)
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Old March 24th, 2006, 11:30 PM   #9
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I guess you could also do that on the U shaped Yonge-University-Spadina line as well, transferring onto the Bloor-Danforth line from the Yonge to the Spadina segments.
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Old June 29th, 2006, 02:07 AM   #10
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Old June 29th, 2006, 05:54 AM   #11
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Old July 5th, 2006, 03:44 AM   #12
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Hey! First post for me here. I seem to recall that a site (Maybe this one!) said that some of the Leyland buses that used to work in Hong Kong are now being used by First in Glasgow. Is this still the case?
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Old March 14th, 2007, 05:00 PM   #13
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Glasgow subway

Glasgow has drawn up plans to extend its subway:

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/d...257642.0.0.php
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Old March 14th, 2007, 05:37 PM   #14
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So Glasgow should get a double ring. And that should cost over 2 billion pounds?
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Old March 14th, 2007, 05:49 PM   #15
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Apparently. Seems way too expensive for just seven more stations and redevelopment of the existing stations. We could get an entire Manchester Metrolink for that money!
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Old March 16th, 2007, 04:13 AM   #16
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Glasgow subway vehicles look really scary! Did someone ever got decapitated while the doors were closing?
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I'm sure I saw, many years ago in Glasgow (my birthplace), a book about the subway which mentioned a proposal to build a second circle which would touch on the original one at Buchanan Street and St Enoch, and cover a large area of the east end. Seems to me that this plan dated from the 30's or 40's. I'm pretty sure I browsed this book in John Smiths in St Vincent Street during my university years (mid 1960's). So I don't think this new plan is original. Frankly I don't think there's any chance that it will become a reality.

PS I checked the catalog of the Mitchell Library, and the only book I can find about the subway (published in the 60's) is "The Glasgow Subway" by David Lawrie Thomson, for the Scottish Tramway Museum Society, published in 1964. The date is certainly in line with my recollection. Perhaps a Glasgow forum member could look this book up at the Mitchell and see if I haven't imagined this?
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Old August 16th, 2007, 07:13 AM   #18
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Glasgow subway takes on new blue look
15 August 2007
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AS a nickname it made more sense than the cryptic title of the controversial Stanley Kubrick movie.

The Clockwork Orange, the term of affection for Glasgow's rudimentary subway system since the early 1980s, is no more.

The last carriage with the characteristic orange livery has now been taken out of circulation as part of the modernisation of the subway's rolling stock. All the trailer cars in Strathclyde Partnership for Transport's subway fleet are being rebuilt, the interiors redesigned and exteriors rebranded at a cost of GBP1.7m.

The first of the newly refurbished cars, with a bright blue exterior in support of Glasgow's bid to host the 2014 Commonwealth Games, came into service yesterday complete with new suspension and braking systems, replacement upholstery with "contemporary colour scheme" in line with SPT's trademark carmine and cream colours and new interior lighting to assist the visually impaired.

Other improvements include a redesign of interior hand rails, in line with the requirements of the Disability Discrimination Act.

The workwas carried out by Glasgow-based Railcare Ltd.

Glasgow's subway, the third oldest in the world after London and Budapest, adopted the brash orange branding following a major overhaul of the system in 1980.

John Messner, curator of transport and technology at the Glasgow Museum of Transport, said the orange gave the subway a distinction from its previous incarnation, as well as other underground rail systems.

He said: "Orange wasn't unique but it was totally different from before and its hard to think of another subway which had that consistent orange colour. It was appreciated and loved by many people and there'll be many memories of it."

SPT chairman AlistairWatson said: "The subway system has served Glasgow well for more than 100 years and remains an important part of the transport infrastructure.

"We're under no illusion that Glasgow, as a 21st century city, needs a modern subway."
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Old August 16th, 2007, 10:21 PM   #19
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Now we'll have to call it Clockwork Blue... Is that really better than Clockwork Orange?
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Blue just seems so wrong...
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