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Old October 24th, 2012, 10:28 PM   #8941
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This building is at/near the single-family residential edge of the Crown Hill neighborhood. There, the architecture is mainly frame in American Foursquare and vernacular styles. The apartment buildings in the neighborhood's interior (as opposed to the grand ones on Meridian) tend to be 3-story blocks of similar massing and proportion, though typically only 8, 10, or 12 units. Those buildings are typically fairly plain, usually brick with some kind of water-table accent, but sometimes frame or stucco.
I'm speaking mostly of the structures along Meridian. Directly across the street from this block are several large brick houses, a couple turn of the century brick apartment buildings, and a gothic stone chapel.
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The apartment structures, even the grand ones on Meridian, mostly have plain parapets and flat roofs. 34/Meridian, the newest, is an exception and has a faux pitched roof. Mansard wouldn't fit.
I was thinking the use of a hipped roof to make up for the removal of the tacky awnings. A detailed cornice made of a mixture of stone and brick would do just fine.
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As for "fitting in", north across 33rd is a slab-sided tall one-story commercial structure. Next door on 33rd is a parking garage. Across Illinois is mostly surface overflow parking for The Children's Museum. To the south is open space and more TCM surface parking. To the "rear" is a Meridian-fronting lot where TCM hopes to build some kind of commercial structure. A semi-modern office tower is at 33rd and Meridian. It fits in just fine.
It doesn't fit in at all. The neighborhood is mostly turn of the century buildings. On the southeast corner of the very same block there is the old Glossbrenner mansion. Across the street to the east there is the trinity episcopal church, an old gothic chapel. The block to the north has no less than 4 historical apartment buildings.

This building is clearly a product of a fad, not true aesthetics.
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Old October 24th, 2012, 11:53 PM   #8942
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IBJ is reported that a developer has been selected for the Mass Ave fire department site.

Should put to rest where the fire station is going (college ave?) and all that good stuff.
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Old October 25th, 2012, 12:16 AM   #8943
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I'm speaking mostly of the structures along Meridian. Directly across the street from this block are several large brick houses, a couple turn of the century brick apartment buildings, and a gothic stone chapel.

I was thinking the use of a hipped roof to make up for the removal of the tacky awnings. A detailed cornice made of a mixture of stone and brick would do just fine.


It doesn't fit in at all. The neighborhood is mostly turn of the century buildings. On the southeast corner of the very same block there is the old Glossbrenner mansion. Across the street to the east there is the trinity episcopal church, an old gothic chapel. The block to the north has no less than 4 historical apartment buildings.

This building is clearly a product of a fad, not true aesthetics.
I think you're imagining the block wrong.

This building will be at the SE corner of 33rd and Illinois, which is the northwest corner of the old Winona property. This is screened from Meridian, as it is tucked behind the parking garage and office block, and will be further screened by the to-be-built commercial building mid-block between the office block and the Glossbrenner Mansion.

When redevelopment is complete, this building will not be visible from Meridian.
Its front door relates to Illinois. Its nearest neighbors are the decidedly-not-turn-of-the-century concrete block building north across 33rd, and the parking garage, and the two old frame houses (surrounded by parking lot) directly across Illinois.

Further, those properties you describe across Meridian are all slated for demolition by Trinity and St. Richards for campus expansion over the coming years.
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Old October 25th, 2012, 12:17 AM   #8944
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I'd like to know a lot more about the status of the Whitsett project at the NW corner of Michigan and College before knowing if it makes any sense for a new fire station to go in there. I can't imagine that a lot of the Lockerbie neighbors won't put up a huge fuss about a fire station going in across the street. It seems like somewhere a few blocks to the east - nearer to the interstate might be a better place for a fire station. Its good to have it close to the downtown neighbors - but I wouldn't want it right across the street where you'd hear the sirens every time an alarm goes off, 24 hours a day.

Originally, i'd seen plans for a fifteen - twenty story project on the site. Now it sounds like it will only be four or five. I'm looking forward to seeing the architectural drawings.
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Old October 25th, 2012, 12:26 AM   #8945
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I think you're imagining the block wrong.

This building will be at the SE corner of 33rd and Illinois, which is the northwest corner of the old Winona property. This is screened from Meridian, as it is tucked behind the parking garage and office block, and will be further screened by the to-be-built commercial building mid-block between the office block and the Glossbrenner Mansion.

When redevelopment is complete, this building will not be visible from Meridian.
Its front door relates to Illinois. Its nearest neighbors are the decidedly-not-turn-of-the-century concrete block building north across 33rd, and the parking garage, and the two old frame houses (surrounded by parking lot) directly across Illinois.
Oh I see.

I still think this is a missed opportunity for some truly fantastic architecture.
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Further, those properties you describe across Meridian are all slated for demolition by Trinity and St. Richards for campus expansion over the coming years.
What?! Even the chapel? Why on earth is no one doing anything to preserve these buildings?

Agh, I swear people never learn.
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Old October 25th, 2012, 03:13 AM   #8946
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EXACT same three I was thinking of. Had they kept and renovated the old city hall it could have been such a cool contrast of old vs. new. What a shame!
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Old October 25th, 2012, 05:23 AM   #8947
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I'd like to know a lot more about the status of the Whitsett project at the NW corner of Michigan and College before knowing if it makes any sense for a new fire station to go in there. I can't imagine that a lot of the Lockerbie neighbors won't put up a huge fuss about a fire station going in across the street. It seems like somewhere a few blocks to the east - nearer to the interstate might be a better place for a fire station. Its good to have it close to the downtown neighbors - but I wouldn't want it right across the street where you'd hear the sirens every time an alarm goes off, 24 hours a day.
Are there any public records available showing how often the Mass Ave. station is called to duty? I'd be curious to see them.

I work exactly one block north of the station on Mass. and seemingly rarely hear alarms or sirens from that station. When I do, it's obvious, but not any more annoying than hearing the sirens in the distance when at home. (And obviously, noise levels may depend on which directions the trucks head.)

This is just guessing based on hearsay, but it seems like the station will be tucked between the church that's being renovated by A2SO4 (which will block it from disturbing residents to the north) and potentially a large mass of buildings to the south (perhaps a parking garage) that will block old school Lockerbie residents from getting blasted. Other than that, it's just going to be urban noise and anyone that lives within 5 miles of the Circle should be used to hearing a police or firetruck siren every so often, right?

I understand people don't want to live right next door to a station, but there's got to be a balance between living in an urban environment and reasonable noise expectations.
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Old October 25th, 2012, 10:07 AM   #8948
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i cant believe nobody has mentioned anything about the noticeable progress on stadium lofts... or the planning/zoning approvals to close the alleys where 1201 Indiana phase II is to be built
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Old October 25th, 2012, 03:30 PM   #8949
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I just know we are going to see a standard fire station, single use structure placed on what should be a very prime piece of land. Stations can have a very positive impact to the neighborhood, but wouldn't it be great if it was topped by office or some other use. Maybe a fire station on College will seal the fate of a return to 2 way traffic.

I go by the stadium lofts every day, kind of an awkward waste if you ask me, but yes, they are moving along. Probably about 75% of the old seating area has been framed in.

The 1201 piece has some unfortunate decisions on the preliminary plans. The parking garage on the north is a massive single block of meaningless dribble.
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Old October 25th, 2012, 03:58 PM   #8950
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Kevin wrote about the 1201 expansion earlier this week over at Urban Indy.

Also, I drove by Stadium Lofts a couple weeks ago. Its looking good.
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Phase II of 1201 Indiana adds 214 units and a 4 story garage of unspecified capacity.

Elevations and siteplan:



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Old October 25th, 2012, 04:17 PM   #8952
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Some quick cell phone shots of Stadium Lofts that I took a couple weeks ago:

https://plus.google.com/photos/11652...ICR0c_bkLKshQE

Here's one copied directly:

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Old October 25th, 2012, 04:27 PM   #8953
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Some quick cell phone shots of Stadium Lofts that I took a couple weeks ago:

https://plus.google.com/photos/11652...ICR0c_bkLKshQE

Oh wow, thanks. I rarely make it to that part of town.
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Old October 25th, 2012, 04:34 PM   #8954
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I just know we are going to see a standard fire station, single use structure placed on what should be a very prime piece of land. Stations can have a very positive impact to the neighborhood, but wouldn't it be great if it was topped by office or some other use. Maybe a fire station on College will seal the fate of a return to 2 way traffic.
From what I've read/heard, it's going to be integrated into the mixed-use development on that parcel. (by Whitsett I believe?) So we may see a structure very much like what you're hoping for. And I understand that College will be two-way from Mass to Market. I wish they'd take it to Virginia, but it's a start.
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Old October 25th, 2012, 04:36 PM   #8955
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Just went through my phone and here are a couple other fun shots I took recently:

View toward downtown from the 8th floor of The Marott apartment building:


Neuroscience Center from the top of the garage:



Some panoramic shots of the Meridian St. bridge work over time:

February:


September:


October:


A hunk of the bridge facade waiting to go up back in September (and my daughter):
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IBJ has details about the Mass Ave firestation redev up before official announcements:

http://www.ibj.com/city-selects-deve.../article/37471

Schmidt Ass. is the architecture firm. Drat!

Drat, drat, drat!!!

We're going to have another farking 3 Mass on our hands.
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I am being optimistic that the part about "feel like mass ave" part means it really will and that the contemporary slant isnt another cruise ship on top of a pile of bricks

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Thanks for the photos Good to hear that the fire house may be consolidated into the Whitsett project. That's what this city needs more of -- coordinated project planning -- shared parking - mixed uses on blocks. Hopefully we'll see more of that in the future.
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From Cory Schouten's Property Lines twitter account:

"Details: 235 apartments, 40K retail, underground parking, electronic art screen at the corner."

"Mayor: This $43m proposal contained the "largest investment" and "ideal" mix of apartments and retail"

"City contributing $3M from TIF to Mass Ave project, and free land. Developer required to put $5.4M into escrow to ensure it gets built."

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Big Renders and Site plan:

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