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Old Today, 03:14 AM   #11401
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Some of you guys have inspired me to take the shot of the building from the roof top of my office, so here they are...







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Old Today, 03:31 AM   #11402
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It has an acceptable floor plan.



When I first read this I didn't believe the rich people who buy this will be paying such obscenely low taxes. Then I found this article which confirmed the low amounts and point out that buyers at One57, 56 Leanord, and 30 Park Place are getting the same deals.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/14/re...reak.html?_r=0

This really needs to stop and these people need to start paying taxes like everyone else.
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Old Today, 06:07 AM   #11403
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When I first read this I didn't believe the rich people who buy this will be paying such obscenely low taxes. Then I found this article which confirmed the low amounts and point out that buyers at One57, 56 Leanord, and 30 Park Place are getting the same deals. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/14/re...reak.html?_r=0 This really needs to stop and these people need to start paying taxes like everyone else.

Reading the whole article, it explains how the tax break was put in during the 1970's; which were horrible times for NYC with crime high and property value low. It's logical to assume that you would want to give wealthy people a tax break in such conditions as an incentive.

Also in reading the entire article, you see it's the building managers who lobby for the break and the NY State government that approved it.

The article also states there are over $17,000/month in charges to a resident at 432 park, that's more than most pay in real estate /property taxes all year.
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Old Today, 12:24 PM   #11404
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Hi Bagat,

We are neighbors. I can see my apartment across the street. How is Indonesia this time of year? Also, your picture quality is much better than my phone pics. If you update this regularly, I won't have to!

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Old Today, 12:49 PM   #11405
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Reading the whole article, it explains how the tax break was put in during the 1970's; which were horrible times for NYC with crime high and property value low. It's logical to assume that you would want to give wealthy people a tax break in such conditions as an incentive.

Also in reading the entire article, you see it's the building managers who lobby for the break and the NY State government that approved it.

The article also states there are over $17,000/month in charges to a resident at 432 park, that's more than most pay in real estate /property taxes all year.
I agree. And I think huge increases could threaten this top end market.
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Reading the whole article, it explains how the tax break was put in during the 1970's; which were horrible times for NYC with crime high and property value low. It's logical to assume that you would want to give wealthy people a tax break in such conditions as an incentive.

Also in reading the entire article, you see it's the building managers who lobby for the break and the NY State government that approved it.

The article also states there are over $17,000/month in charges to a resident at 432 park, that's more than most pay in real estate /property taxes all year.
the 1970s were 40 years ago - New York has been booming for decades.

This is a real outrage that they pay so much less than others and there is no justification for it.

Definitely I am going to have to speak to my city council person about this.
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I agree. And I think huge increases could threaten this top end market.
If they don't pay a proportionate amount of tax we don't want them.
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This is one of my favourite renders of the building:



...And a nice site too: http://www.thepinnaclelist.com/blog/...e-new-york-ny/ (old ?)
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Old Today, 02:40 PM   #11409
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The buyers of the apartments listed on the previous page in this thread will pay between $60,000-$190,000 in annual property taxes, while those buyers will consume far less in NYC/NYS services, due to their part-time residency and lifestyle. They won't be receiving welfare, food stamps, medicaid, riding the subway each day, driving on the roads each day, etc. Sounds like a huge win for NYC. Much higher tax rate per square foot compared to the average apartment due to the sky-high per sq. foot valuation, and much lower consumption of services.
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Old Today, 03:33 PM   #11410
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This is one of my favourite renders of the building:
Wow, I haven't seen that render in such high quality before. A worthy re-post.

It's especially crazy to think there's almost 3 entire "mini-towers" to go before topping out. Right now we're only a couple floors above the mechanicals near the top of the GM building.

But what's exciting to me about that render is that it reflects (pun not initially intended, but thought about and now fully intended) the color and quality of the glass. We've only seen one or two panes fully uncovered, but they're going to be a much more tasteful, highly reflective grayish color than they currently appear because of their blue protective coating.

I understand people's skepticism about the design, and of course not every tower lives up its renders, but man ... if it winds up looking half that good in real life, I believe most of the doubters will come around.
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Old Today, 03:39 PM   #11411
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the 1970s were 40 years ago - New York has been booming for decades.

This is a real outrage that they pay so much less than others and there is no justification for it.

Definitely I am going to have to speak to my city council person about this.



And these wealthy people are the reason it has been booming for decades. Even with these property tax breaks, the wealthy still pour more money into the city then the average person, 1000's of times over. The city council and Mayor already know this and will continue to use things like low property taxes to attract these folks. After all, without these "rich" people, Manhattan would be nothing more then it was 40 years ago with high crime and low property values. Every state in the U.S. does certain things to attract the wealthy and their hard earned money.
So right after you speak to your city council person, walk right up to your newly elected Governor and ask him about this http://startup.ny.gov/
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Old Today, 03:47 PM   #11412
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Wow, I haven't seen that render in such high quality before. A worthy re-post.
Thanks. I thought so too... And if you move/frame the picture so that you can only see 432 Park Avenue alone in the screen -> there are still more floors visible than there are floors (25 floors in total) in the tallest building in my home country, that is currently under construction too...
And this supertall building is in the middle of NEW YORK ! It's just grazy... ...Love it.

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Old Today, 04:31 PM   #11413
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Excuse me while I hop up here for a minute.

The rich do just as much harm to this city as they do good, let's not kid ourselves there. Same goes for the whole country. No doubt they make up a huge portion of the tax base, but they're also the ones that drove us over the cliff in '08, and countless times before. People like to cite a lot of anecdotes as hard evidence that the billionaires are saving us all, but it's only half the story.

Now, I'm a skyscraper nerd so I love these new towers. But I also know that for every luxury high rise going up on 57th street, somebody is getting pushed further out from the city center, the jobs, and the resources. There is a ripple effect that is felt all the way out in East New York, Hempstead, and the Bronx. I'm not laying blame anywhere, the forces of gentrification are ancient and unstoppable. But it is important to acknowledge that there are always winners and losers.
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The outer floors forms have risen. You can see them on the Sheraton Tribeca cam.


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Excuse me while I hop up here for a minute.

The rich do just as much harm to this city as they do good, let's not kid ourselves there. Same goes for the whole country. No doubt they make up a huge portion of the tax base, but they're also the ones that drove us over the cliff in '08, and countless times before. People like to cite a lot of anecdotes as hard evidence that the billionaires are saving us all, but it's only half the story.

Now, I'm a skyscraper nerd so I love these new towers. But I also know that for every luxury high rise going up on 57th street, somebody is getting pushed further out from the city center, the jobs, and the resources. There is a ripple effect that is felt all the way out in East New York, Hempstead, and the Bronx. I'm not laying blame anywhere, the forces of gentrification are ancient and unstoppable. But it is important to acknowledge that there are always winners and losers.
For the most part, I agree with you.
Additional taxes will not be levied against the rich for the simple reason that the rich don't want extra taxes. They control the money hence they control the lawmakers. And even if they (the lawmakers) did demand higher taxes from the rich, there would always be ways around it. It's a nice idea to increase taxes the rich, but it's not going to happen.
I would bet her first to admit that it is somewhat disheartening that all of these new 57th street and vicinity towers are exclusive billioniares' mansions, but that's what the demand is obviously for right now.
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Old Today, 06:27 PM   #11416
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It's a nice idea to increase taxes the rich.



Damn those rich people. Tax them for everything they've earned. There's no reason why anybody should have more money then the next guy or pay less taxes. Punish the hell out of anyone that becomes successful and teach our kids to give everything they earn to people that have less then them. Never, ever, let your kids go to College because if they work hard and become successful, then they will just have to give it all away and be taxed to death.
TAX and INCOME EQUALITY!!
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I completely disagree.....
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The outer floors forms have risen. You can see them on the Sheraton Tribeca cam.
It looks like the core has risen properly this time which makes it 278.7m or or 914.4ft tall!
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