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Old September 23rd, 2009, 07:22 AM   #101
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Estuve en Manila hace dos meses, aquí les dejo unas fotos... La capital filipina bien podría ser una ciudad costera mexicana, las semejanzas son sorprendentes.





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Old November 9th, 2009, 09:43 PM   #102
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Hola Yörch:

Me parece muy interesante tu afirmación en el sentido de que:

"Los filipinos fundaron pueblos y comunidades en este estado, y su legado genético y cultural es palpable..."


Actualmente elaboro un libro sobre las relaciones genético-culturales entre ambas naciones, y por lo que dicen en este y otros thread algunas personas muestran el desconocimiento de su importancia.

Se calcula que en este tiempo existen en México más de 500 mil personas de ascendencia filipina y al igual que tú, la mayoría no lo logran saberlo hasta la edad adulta y la mayoría nunca.

Casi todos los descendientes mexicanos con sangre filipina residen en el Estado de Guerrero y desconocen o no quieren enterarse del por qué de su complexión, forma del craneo, ojos rasgados, color de piel y hasta ciertas aptitudes genéticas.

Poco se conoce que durante los 244 años que exactamente existió el comercio a través del Galeón del Pacífico (Nueva España-Filipinas) fueron muy grandes los aportes entre y para ambos países.

España estuvo molesta e intentó reducir las dimensiones del comercio internacional porque se integraba de la siguiente manera: 20 % para España, vía Veracruz, y el 80 % para Filipinas, vía Acapulco.

Sobre la importancia de los aportes de Filipinas a lo que ahora es nuestro país, tenemos simplemente que el cocotero se traslado desde ese archipiélago y durante más de 100 años fue la base de la economía del estado de Guerrero.

¿Podrías decirme cuáles son los pueblos que fundaron los filipinos en la Nueva España y en qué te fundamentas?.

Te dejo mi correo: [email protected]

Gracias por tu amable respuesta.
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Old November 10th, 2009, 01:04 AM   #103
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Great thread.

I know more than a few filipinos in the U.S.A. who have a connection with Spain and Mexico.

My brother-in-law is married to a girl that is 1/4 filipino and 3/4 mexican. When I first met her I thought she was more filipino than mexican because of her features, but she said it was due to the fact that filipinos have very strong blood. Maybe she is right because their son looks very much like her (strong filipino features) and not like my brother-in-law.

It's very interesting (and cool) to know that thousands of mexicans and filipinos have very strong blood and cultural ties.

I'll start rooting for Manny "Pac Man" Paquiao from now on
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Old November 12th, 2009, 08:29 AM   #104
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Me parece muy interesante tu afirmación en el sentido de que:

"Los filipinos fundaron pueblos y comunidades en este estado, y su legado genético y cultural es palpable..."


Actualmente elaboro un libro sobre las relaciones genético-culturales entre ambas naciones, y por lo que dicen en este y otros thread algunas personas muestran el desconocimiento de su importancia.

Se calcula que en este tiempo existen en México más de 500 mil personas de ascendencia filipina y al igual que tú, la mayoría no lo logran saberlo hasta la edad adulta y la mayoría nunca.

Casi todos los descendientes mexicanos con sangre filipina residen en el Estado de Guerrero y desconocen o no quieren enterarse del por qué de su complexión, forma del craneo, ojos rasgados, color de piel y hasta ciertas aptitudes genéticas.

Poco se conoce que durante los 244 años que exactamente existió el comercio a través del Galeón del Pacífico (Nueva España-Filipinas) fueron muy grandes los aportes entre y para ambos países.

España estuvo molesta e intentó reducir las dimensiones del comercio internacional porque se integraba de la siguiente manera: 20 % para España, vía Veracruz, y el 80 % para Filipinas, vía Acapulco.

Sobre la importancia de los aportes de Filipinas a lo que ahora es nuestro país, tenemos simplemente que el cocotero se traslado desde ese archipiélago y durante más de 100 años fue la base de la economía del estado de Guerrero.

¿Podrías decirme cuáles son los pueblos que fundaron los filipinos en la Nueva España y en qué te fundamentas?.

Te dejo mi correo: [email protected]

Gracias por tu amable respuesta.
Hola Alfredo, no había visto tu post.

Ya te mandé un correo con mis comentarios. Saludos!
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Old November 12th, 2009, 08:11 PM   #105
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Que bueno que ha regresado este hilo, alguién de Guerrero que posteé fotos del Festival de la Nao de China, en Acapulco?
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Old November 12th, 2009, 11:34 PM   #106
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Este es, sin duda, uno de los Threads mas INTERESANTES que he leido en mi vida, muchas gracias por la informacion...
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Old July 21st, 2010, 11:07 AM   #107
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Viva Filipinas! Viva Mexico! Naciones Hermanas

http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Viv...5110390?ref=ts

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Old August 3rd, 2010, 03:52 PM   #108
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Hola a todos! Que interesante todas las discusiones aqui. A quien se le ocurre que hay discusiones como las relaciones entre las Filipinas y Mexico aqui en skyscrapercity. Pero muy bien, muy bien!

Bueno, a la gente aqui que tiene sangre filipina, podría invitarle a visitar nuestro sitio en:

filhispano.spruz.com

Estamos fomentado el idioma español aqui como mucha gente ya esta haciendo. Esperamos que pueda ayudarnos, no? Muchas gracias!

Saludos desde Manila,
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Old September 17th, 2010, 04:14 PM   #109
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Muy buena thread.

Soy brasileño y creo firmemente en las relaciones entre América Latina y Filipinas. El catolicismo y la herencia española, hacen de las Filipinas un país muy cercano culturalmente a América Latina.

México es el país con más vínculos históricos con Filipinas, y por lo tanto, debe liderar ese proceso de integración. Filpinas tiene la duodécima mayor población en el mundo, y sería muy bueno si fuera un "miembro honorario" de América Latina.
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Old October 8th, 2010, 07:32 PM   #110
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Wow..after digging in deeper in the Skyscrapercity Mexico, I found this!

¡Que rico!

En todo caso, me gusta compartir este articulo de mi blog sobre galeones y contribucion a cultura filipina y mexicana.

Aqui es el enlace:
http://habagatcentral.com/2010/10/08...cks-at-manila/

Lo siento. El articulo es escrito en ingles con poco tagalog y cebuano.

Gracias.

Deseo, hay miembro de SSC Mexico que ira aqui en Filipinas en futuro proximo y sere feliz mostrar y tour cerca Manila o en algun lugar en Filipinas. Pero yo deseo mas que sere voy alli en Mexico.
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Old October 10th, 2010, 04:51 AM   #111
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A forgotten area in Manila. This is where the Galleon trade had started--because of Legazpi and Urdaneta.

I know there is one at Barra de Navidad...

Un lugar olvidado en Manila. Aqui es donde el comercio de galleon comienzó--porque de Legazpi y Urdaneta.

Yo sé hay un monumento en Barra de Navidad como este.










Es muy ironico porque celebramos Dia del Galeon ahora pero este lugar fue no diga attencion.
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Old November 15th, 2010, 11:48 PM   #112
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Hi I just found this thread and WOW!!!! Really amazed, I worked in San Diego CA for KYOCERA & QUALCOMM And 80% of the people working there was from the Philippines and It really amaze me with the similitude’s of their culture and ours, that’s when I found out that they were conquered by the Spaniards like 300 yrs, they told me so many stories but the one that really caught my attention was the one that all their great grand parents used to tell them, in Spanish since they used to know the language they told me that 150 yrs ago all the schools used to taught Spanish which they don’t do anymore.
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Old January 1st, 2011, 04:32 AM   #113
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y peru donde esta nosotros compartimos mucho mas historia con mexico
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Old January 13th, 2011, 11:29 AM   #114
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Por supuesto, pero eso ya sería tema de otro hilo Curiosamente el segundo país latinoamericano con más vínculos con Filipinas después de México es precisamente El Perú, ya que entraba en la ruta de la Nao.
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Old January 13th, 2011, 11:30 AM   #115
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Tomado del foro filipino:
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HINDSIGHT By F Sionil Jose (The Philippine Star) Updated January 09, 2011 12:00 AM



I was at The Podium the other week for the celebration of the centennial of the Mexican Revolution. Ambassador Tomas Javier Calvillo Unna, who is a historian, told me about that defining epoch of Mexico and, once more, I was reminded of what I had been missing all these years a better understanding, not just of Mexico, but of revolution and our history which I would have had if I’d learned Spanish. This is one of my deepest regrets I had a lousy teacher in college who, for two years, taught us nothing but conjugation. So I can conjugate verbs properly and read a bit of Spanish, but can’t converse in it.

In the several times that I was in South America and Spain, since all our languages have so many words in Spanish, I got along with my basic needs. Too, so many South Americans and Spaniards know English; but still, so many things escape me. I read Spanish literature in translation but as we all know, “translation is treason.”

Next to Spain, Mexico is important to us historically, because for so many years, we were ruled from Mexico until the opening of the Suez Canal in 1869, which facilitated the trip from Spain to Manila. Camote and tiang-ge are just two things that Mexico left with us.

In 1976, I visited the Emiliano Zapata Ejido in Morelos. I learned from Ambassador Unna that the ejidos, the large farm cooperatives like the communes in China, had been abandoned. The land problem, however, still badgers the country. In the Indian province of Chiapas, neo-Zapatistas rebelled recently because of land hunger.

This is the lasting lesson that the Mexican Revolution brought which several revolutions all over the world had so confirmed: that land will always be an important determinant of history.

The Mexican Revolution created legendary leaders like Emiliano Zapata; my favorite quote is his exhortation to his men when they flagged: “Men of the North, it is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!” Land hunger, which was the basis of that revolution, also produced the Mexican Renaissance.

The painter Jean Charlot, who participated in that revolution with colleagues Diego Rivera, Jose Orozco and David Sequieros, described it in the late ‘60s when we exhibited him at our Solidaridad Galleries. They were charged with making murals to decorate the new and damaged buildings. They emblazoned these buildings with the brooding images of the heroes of that revolution the common soldiers, the stoic peasants and Indians. The murals were, at first, shunned by Mexicans familiar with the classical visages from the West. But soon enough, these murals were revered and these artists influenced art not just in the whole of South America but even in the United States. Our own Carlos V. Francisco told me he was moved by it.

Bearing their example in mind, how many times have I told our artists particularly those who started out in Solidaridad that they will be famous, even rich, but they will not achieve greatness until they have portrayed social protest? In the late ‘60s I published a book about our country’s relationship with Mexico by the Mexican scholar, Rafael Bernal. He was then cultural officer of the Mexican Embassy in Manila. He also assured me that Rizal’s novels in Spanish were splendid examples of Victorian period writing.

Rizal influenced not just Bernal but many South Americans, among them a compassionate and urbane eye specialist Manuel Puig. He is my firmest personal bridge to that fabulous country.

Dr. Puig has a very successful practice in Los Angeles. Every year, around February, he comes to Manila with his laser equipment to work in the public hospital in Parañaque. He has been doing this for several years now at no expense to the government. Sometimes he comes to Manila with his son and daughter. How did he discover the Philippines? How did this personal philanthropy begin? He found Jose Rizal’s novels in his father’s library when he was young, read them and was moved by them. Like his children. he can recite Rizal’s “Mi Ultimo Adios.”

And finally, that beautiful song, Reloj I used it in my novel, The Pretenders. For so many years, I thought it was by a Spanish composer until Dr. Puig told me it was a Mexican who wrote it.

I consider my inability to speak Spanish not just a personal loss but a national loss as well. Our ignorance of Spanish denies us a direct knowledge of much of our own past the 16th, all the way to the 18th century: the history as recorded by the Spanish colonizers themselves and by our own ilustrados who wrote in that language. When I was researching for my novel Viajero, I spent a morning at the Archivo General de Indias in Seville. There they were: stacks and stacks of such records in folders bound by string. In the reading room were several researchers poring over those venerable documents in the archaic calligraphy of missionary priests and bureaucrats. How I envied them our history in their hands!

Records of our past are also in Mexico. And it is not just our past that we are denied. It is the whole culture of a continent and of that storied peninsula, Iberia, I sometimes muse over how Don Quixote must sound and feel in the original language. I wonder how much of its richness, its vitality is lost in translation.

By being unable to know Spanish, I have also denied myself the affluence of the literature of South America. Sure, so many of the indigenous languages of that continent were overwhelmed by Spanish as it has been with us by English, but there is always something of the native culture which lives on, which suffuses the art of these colonized countries. Now, that survival process, which is perhaps similar to ours, can only be surmised but not truly experienced.

To know a language other than ours is always an advantage. More than this, it gives us those perspectives that we are not aware of, which will increase our self-knowledge and, hopefully, give us the wisdom to cope. More so, if we realize that Spanish leads us directly to Latin, and from there, to the Romans, and to the Greeks the ancient roots of our western culture, its venerable classics. Alas, we did not imbibe these the way most Europeans do, the way the ilustrados did, for, in a sense, they were far better educated than so many of us today. Could this lack explain our shallowness?

We have been so conditioned and constrained by our knowledge of English; those of us who write are overly familiar with much of English literature. How exhilarating even liberating if we could read and write in Spanish, too.

A truncated sense of nationalism was responsible for the elimination of Spanish in the college curriculum. This loss is an apt reminder of those hoary caveats about “throwing the baby out with the bath water and cutting off the nose to spite the face.” It should be returned to now, not in college, but in high school. It will not be difficult for students to learn Spanish; as Jose Rodriguez of the Instituto Cervantes said, hundreds of Spanish words are already in our language. As I found out, I could get along with my awful Spanish and if spoken slowly I could even understand a bit.
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Old January 16th, 2011, 05:31 AM   #116
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interesante estos relatos xD
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Old January 17th, 2011, 10:39 AM   #117
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Que thread tan interesante la verdad...
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Old March 1st, 2011, 01:19 AM   #118
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Hola Mejico!

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Old March 27th, 2011, 07:05 AM   #119
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Lic. Adolfo López Mateos, 48o presidente de Republica Mexicana. Este monumento esta Plaza México en Intramuros, Manila.




La aguila de Tenochtitlan


Tengo que buscar el monumento de Don Miguel Hidalgo en este distrito de Manila.
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Old June 8th, 2011, 07:04 AM   #120
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Buen aporte pero algunas malas notas. Yanga no era parte Filipino el llego derechito de Africa a Mexico.
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