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Old May 11th, 2011, 08:45 PM   #21881
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Some photos I took last week…. It really takes your breath away now - it towers over you as you approach.



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Old May 11th, 2011, 09:04 PM   #21882
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Old May 11th, 2011, 09:36 PM   #21883
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new row of glass added

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a new row of glass on the front side of the 1 WTC is being added right now
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Old May 11th, 2011, 09:45 PM   #21884
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Wow. Clones!





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On a side note, I really like the FT in that last picture... And I hope you do too.

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Old May 11th, 2011, 10:19 PM   #21885
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Wednesday May 11, 2011 3pm est

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Old May 11th, 2011, 11:11 PM   #21886
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Nice picture Carlos.

Based on that picture I think the claims of passing the Woolworth Building might have been premature. It still appears taller in the picture and they are just about equidistant from where Carlos is taking the photo so they might need yet another set of vertical steel for WTC 1 to pass the Woolworth buildling.
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Old May 11th, 2011, 11:16 PM   #21887
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Nice picture Carlos.

Based on that picture I think the claims of passing the Woolworth Building might have been premature. It still appears taller in the picture and they are just about equidistant from where Carlos is taking the photo so they might need yet another set of vertical steel for WTC 1 to pass the Woolworth buildling.
you are correct, or the prespective is playing with us....the Woolworth building is east of WTC1 and on a higher ground....
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Old May 11th, 2011, 11:28 PM   #21888
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ahhhhhh, good point. Didn't think of the Woolworth building being on higher ground. I believe it is, though only by 10 feet or so. Still, that could be enough to account for it.
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Old May 12th, 2011, 02:32 AM   #21889
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Old May 12th, 2011, 02:42 AM   #21890
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Good to see this topic back to normal without discussion (confusion) and disagreements.
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Someone I know answer, the nucleus is located in which floor (currently)?
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Old May 12th, 2011, 02:49 AM   #21891
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These recent posts under Zen's account are giving me hope that he is really still alive and is just pulling our legs.
I hope everyone just ignores my comments from last night. I was a bit upset, not that today is any better. I wake up every morning thinking everything is fine, then I remember he is gone.

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Old May 12th, 2011, 03:28 AM   #21892
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ive been asked to group all the WTC towers as viewed from webcam.
if any errors please let me know
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Old May 12th, 2011, 04:01 AM   #21893
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^Nice work. Can't wait to see 2 and 3 get filled up

But if you're going to list 2 and 3 with their new floor counts (88 and 80 respectively), shouldn't you also list 4WTC with it's new floor count as well?



And also, not a correction, but are 2WTC's diamonds really THAT (I can't think of any other term) messed up? I know they weren't perfect diamonds, but I didn't think that the angles would be that weird :p
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Old May 12th, 2011, 04:48 AM   #21894
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Feature at Trade Center Is Halted After $10 Million

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It was supposed to be an elegant solution to a very large problem: how to disguise the 185-foot-tall fortified concrete base of 1 World Trade Center so it does not look like a gigantic bunker.
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The plan was to drape the base with 2,000 clear prismatic glass panels and welded aluminum screens to create, in the words of the architect, “a dynamic, shimmering glass surface.”

But the glass has proved difficult to manufacture at that scale. In trials, the refinishing required for the prismatic effect has left the glass brittle and prone to shatter. With the steel frame of the building now rising to the 65th floor, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey has scrapped the idea and sent the architects back for yet another revision.

“As design moved to the testing phase, it became clear that the prismatic glass simply had too many technical problems to overcome and at a budget that was not cost effective,” said John Kelly, a spokesman for the Port Authority. “We have been finalizing a design that will be far more practical while being both distinctive and magnificent.”

About $10 million had already been spent on the glass. David M. Childs of Skidmore, Owings & Merrill, who designed the tower and the prismatic glass covering, did not respond to phone calls seeking comment.

Douglas Durst of the Durst Organization, which owns a 10 percent stake in the building and is in charge of leasing it, said the switch in plans should have no effect on the timetable for the building, scheduled to open in January 2014. The new facade is likely to be made of more traditional clear glass panels, possibly with granite elements to tie it into the surrounding plazas.

The problem with the glass illustrates the tension inherent in the entire $3.2 billion project: how to create a skyscraper that is at once iconic and defended against terrorism, while also containing costs.

In 2003, Daniel Libeskind, the master planner for the trade center site, designated the northwest corner of the 16-acre property for a 1,776-foot tower, which was named the Freedom Tower by Gov. George E. Pataki and later renamed 1 World Trade Center.

Larry A. Silverstein, who was the building’s developer at the time but later relinquished control to the Port Authority, brought in Mr. Childs, a renowned architect who designed the Time Warner Center, among other notable buildings. But Mr. Childs’s design went back to the drawing board in 2005, after the New York Police Department warned of the dangers posed by a vehicular bomb. Mr. Childs, who friends say sees the tower as a legacy project, redesigned the building, shifting the base away from West Street and inserting a thick concrete podium designed to lift the tower out of the path of a blast.

The plan allowed for a lobby with 50-foot ceilings, but no office space until what is essentially the 20th floor.

But Mr. Childs’s plan for a windowless metal facade for the podium prompted some critics to describe it as a “concrete bunker,” which alarmed Mr. Pataki, who was sensitive to the skyscraper’s image. In June 2006, Mr. Childs unveiled a revised design with the concrete base now clad in prismatic glass welded to aluminum screens, to give the base a feeling of transparency. In the event of a bomb blast, the inch-thick glass panels, each one 13 feet 4 inches by 4 feet, were designed to crumble into small fragments the way automobile windshields do.

To make prismatic glass, wedges are cut into the surface to create a prismlike effect, so that the glass will “reflect, refract and transmit light in various spectrums,” according to the architect, without blinding passers-by or drivers. Prismatic glass has been used as a decorative feature for more than a century in lamps and storefronts.

But the World Trade Center plan was unprecedented, at least in the United States, said William M. Yanek, executive vice president of the Glass Association of North America in Topeka, Kan. “To our knowledge prismatic glass has never been used on a building of this magnitude,” he said. Above the base, workers are installing more than 12,000 more traditional, ultraclear glass panels to the building’s steel frame.

Three companies competed for the $82 million contract to manufacture and install the base facade, and in August 2008 the Port Authority selected a joint venture of DCM Erectors and Solera Construction. In an effort to cut costs, DCM-Solera, which declined to comment, decided to manufacture the glass in China, a move that infuriated three American companies that had provided the architect with technical support for the project, as well as the governors of New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Minnesota, where the companies are based.

“I’m not sure a more important symbol of our nation than the Freedom Tower will be seen in my career,” Gary R. Danowski, vice president of PPG Performance Glazings, a Pennsylvania glass manufacturer, told an industry publication in 2009. “The thought that the protective skin of this icon of America will be made from glass sourced on the other side of the planet and not local material is quite a blow.”

But with the Chinese manufacturer unable to produce a glass panel that matched the sample from the architect, DCM-Solera ordered the raw glass last October from PPG’s manufacturing plant outside Carlisle, Pa.

The fabrication was still to be done in China, and some panels were sent there beginning in January. It was a complex undertaking involving cutting, as well as laminating and tempering to create the safety-glass effect. But the glass panels tended to bow after they were cut and tempered, which interfered with the lamination process. The ridges cut into the glass also proved to be too brittle and broke into large pieces, rather than tiny pellets.

It is unclear whether an American factory would have been more successful, but after two years and millions of dollars, the Port Authority decided that further trials would not be prudent, and in March it quietly dropped the idea.
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Old May 12th, 2011, 04:52 AM   #21895
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Considering the lovely view on the inside of the podium, I find it unlikely they will go with "Clear" glass. Frosted glass or something with a ceramic frit pattern printed on it, would be more likely.
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Old May 12th, 2011, 06:51 AM   #21896
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Considering the lovely view on the inside of the podium, I find it unlikely they will go with "Clear" glass. Frosted glass or something with a ceramic frit pattern printed on it, would be more likely.
I really doubt there will be much "view" from the lobby. So much of it is blocked by the blast walls. I don't know too many people who can see through concrete.

It would be pretty senseless to go with clear glass since most of the base is just mechanical floors. Pumps and generators don't need a first class view of the memorial. And with the lobby largely enclosed, why bother?

The base is the worse part of 1WTC IMO. The security concerns really limit the design. But it is what it is. Hopefully what they end up with will be great though. A base similar to 7WTC's would be just fine with me. Since the two are pretty close "twins" glass-wise already.
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Old May 12th, 2011, 07:31 AM   #21897
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At least it will still have the beacon!

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Old May 12th, 2011, 09:21 AM   #21898
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If I were the Port Authority, I would commission artists to paint giant murals on each of the four faces of the base, and then cover those with the clear glass.
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Old May 12th, 2011, 11:58 AM   #21899
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I'd like frosted glass, with some modern pattern on it. They could install LED's behind the glass on all mechanical levels, and do an amazing LED show, which would enhance the feel, and amazement while visiting the site at night. The Lobby should have decent indirect blue and white lights inside.
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Old May 12th, 2011, 01:58 PM   #21900
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I was just thinking of a great Idea for the base of the Tower. I would say is either use the aluminum or the light colored titanium steel on where the beams are of the base and then put the clear glass in between them, so you would give it a good looking touch with is with a mix of the nostaglia resembliance of the original Tower 1.
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