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Old October 21st, 2014, 12:47 PM   #521
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I'm sure they can lay something over the cobbles
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Old November 27th, 2014, 06:49 PM   #522
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The Draft Greyfriar's Action Plan...

http://www.leicester.gov.uk/Easysite...ype=Attachment

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Gap sites

Again, although the conservation area is densely developed there are still a number of “gap sites” which have a detrimental effect on the densely developed character.

Over the next five years design/development guidance will be developed for any of the sites identified below, which have not already been the subject of an approved planning application. As an interim measure basic design principles are set out below for each of the identified sites, these will form the structure of any overall design/development guidance;

New Street car park

• This is the only historically undeveloped site in the conservation area. It is an important historic remnant of the former character of large houses with large gardens. This should be protected.

• There is limited opportunity for significant built development and this site should not be viewed as a traditional development site.

(There is a huge opportunity for built development. It is a car park and a not very well maintained one - right next to a new internationally important tourist attraction)

• In the short to medium term there is an opportunity to improve appearance as car park including boundary treatment improvements, marking out, resurfacing and planting

(Please do not improve the car park. It needs to not be a car park.)

• In the longer term, if car park use ceases, then there is an opportunity for communal amenity space either public or private, reintroducing eighteenth century garden character.

(This would be ok, but misses an opportunity to build something.)

• In the shorter term, when the car park is not used or has a limited use (weekends, holidays) there may be an opportunity for public archaeology or as events space.

Southgates bus depot site (if existing consented scheme is not built)

(Fingers crossed it doesn't get built.)

• Opportunity to reinstate back edge of pavement building line

• Red brick should be the dominant construction material

(Why should red brick be the dominant construction material? There are numerous stone buildings in Greyfriar's, including several on nearby New Street. Red brick isn't dominant on Peacock Lane?)

• Traditional materials should be used throughout

• High quality contemporary design which reflects the historic context mixed with well executed more traditional architecture is encouraged

• Historic plot widths should be respected with this articulated in the facade design.

• Draw on domestic style architectural influences found elsewhere in the conservation area, (predominantly Georgian domestic and Victorian Gothic domestic).

(Yes please.)

• Massing should respect the character of the conservation area, which is generally two to five stories of individually designed buildings.

• The street frontage buildings should be dominant with smaller built form moving back into the site, this is to reflect the historic perimeter blocks character of larger frontage properties and smaller extensions, stables and workshop to the rear.

• Opportunities should be taken to enhance and frame existing views, as well as create new views looking both into and out of the conservation area. These should use key focal points such as the Cathedral Spire or the
Spire of St Mary de Castro.

(Absolutely - which is why the current Southgates scheme should be dropped.)

• Opportunity should be taken on the Southgates frontage to create a visually high quality and interesting streetscape which truly reflects the character of the area. This frontage will be the “shop window” into this important
historic area.

(Crucial and needs to be enforced.)
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Old November 27th, 2014, 07:39 PM   #523
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The Southgates scheme is totally out of place with these plans. Apart from the original bus station gateway, the rest of the development will be a 'more brick' version of Victoria Halls.

Why wasn't the New Street car park made the car park for the King Richard III Centre? I'm sure some sort of agreement could have been made, especially since the last remaining wall of the Greyfriars is in the car park. Instead they are asking people to park at the Holiday Inn NCP or Highcross.
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Old November 27th, 2014, 09:12 PM   #524
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The Southgates scheme is totally out of place with these plans. Apart from the original bus station gateway, the rest of the development will be a 'more brick' version of Victoria Halls.
Indeed. It seems bizarre that the same Council that commissioned and published this paper (which is actually pretty sensible for the most part), can give the green light to the hideous proposed student accommodation scheme. Do different departments not speak to each other and try to approach things with one voice? I don't think that the City Council is there to fix all our problems, but I do believe that they should be there to act as stewards of the City and protect its interests for the future as well as create a positive environment for its residents in the here and now (through attracting commerce, creating physical spaces or whatever); the current Southgates proposal does none of these. Absolutely maddening.
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Old November 27th, 2014, 10:03 PM   #525
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What's just as mad is that the Civic Society like the proposals!

Here's an article from April 2013:
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Student flats plan for Southgates bus station scaled back


High life: An artist's image of what the development would look like
Developers who want to build hundreds of student flats at a former bus depot have scaled back their plans.

Developer Applegate originally wanted to build 435 flats, housing nearly 700 students in buildings of up to nine-storeys, on the site of the old Southgates bus station, off Peacock Lane, Leicester.

The company told the Mercury about the idea in October after it shelved plans to create a five-star hotel and conference centre due to the economic downturn.

But the company has further altered the plans, and submitted an application to the city council for 289 flats, housing 500 students. They would be spread across four, five and six-storey blocks.

Council officers have recommended the application be approved at a planning meeting on Wednesday.

Lee Staniforth, of Leicester-based Staniforth Architects, said: "Having taken on board comments from various local groups - including the Conservation Advisory Panel, OPUN design panel, the Civic Society, public comments and indeed the planners, it was decided that we should propose a more sensitive scheme.

"The heights have been dropped to sit better in the surroundings of the old city and the blocks have been broken up to reflect the local street patterns, while allowing views through the building into and out of the city.

"This site is a perfect location for students – being next to the university and bringing extra life into that part of town in the evenings when the offices have shut.

"It will also promote movement of people past the site and into Jubilee and Cathedral Square. What has been a dead part of town in the evenings will become more active."

The development will consist of a four and five-storey block at the corner of Peacock Lane and Southgates, a six-storey block at the corner of Southgates and Friar Lane and two C-shaped buildings in the centre of the site.

The design still incorporates the last remaining part of the old depot – the entrance arch - which will be in-filled with glass and provide the front of a shop in the complex.

In a planning report, a council officer said the amended application would "deliver a significant enhancement to the character and appearance" of the area.

Two people have objected to the revised plans.

In a letter, Andrew Parkes, of nearby Friar Lane, said he felt there should be more family homes included in the plans.

Solicitors Philip J Hammond and Sons, also of Friar Lane, said they thought the site was "more suited to high quality residential town houses".

But Leicester Civic Society chairman Stuart Bailey praised the proposed development as "forward looking".


Mr Staniforth said: "The scheme is designed to be fully sustainable. If there is a drop in demand for student housing, the building can easily be converted into flats."
See: http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/St...ail/story.html

I also hope this development doesn't go ahead.
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The newly released document states:

Southgates bus depot site (if existing consented scheme is not built)

• Traditional materials should be used throughout

• Draw on domestic style architectural influences found elsewhere in the conservation area, (predominantly Georgian domestic and Victorian Gothic domestic).

• Massing should respect the character of the conservation area, which is generally two to five stories of individually designed buildings.

• The street frontage buildings should be dominant with smaller built form moving back into the site, this is to reflect the historic perimeter blocks character of larger frontage properties and smaller extensions, stables and workshop to the rear.

Opportunity should be taken on the Southgates frontage to create a visually high quality and interesting streetscape which truly reflects the character of the area. This frontage will be the “shop window” into this important
historic area.



And THIS is what is proposed for this front window, and has every chance of being approved...




There is SO much wrong with this that I'm struggling to see any redeeming features whatsoever.

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This is where those other suggestions in the article would be better - town houses. I even suggested a mixed use development such as Birmingham's Brindley Place (obviously on a smaller scale) to the Mayor.

It's double standards.
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This is where those other suggestions in the article would be better - town houses. I even suggested a mixed use development such as Birmingham's Brindley Place (obviously on a smaller scale) to the Mayor.

It's double standards.

I actually prefer the original proposal, bus and all, rather than this amended one!
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Old November 28th, 2014, 10:49 AM   #529
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The original proposal - although awful - was better than this scheme.

I'm going to forward this page to the Mayor, because what you have all said pretty much sums up my frustrations with the proposed development...
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The original proposal - although awful - was better than this scheme.

I'm going to forward this page to the Mayor, because what you have all said pretty much sums up my frustrations with the proposed development...
Whilst I'm not a huge fan of Staniforth's proposals (the height and cluster layout were my main gripes), what has been drawn up here by Maber is simply awful. Staniforth's drawings are definitely by far the lesser of two evils!

I too contacted the council; I'm rarely driven to do anything of the sort, but this scheme just seems to so at odds with what is trying to be achieved in bringing back to life the historical and cultural assets of Leicester.
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99.999% certainty that the remains are of Richard III

http://www.archaeology.co.uk/article...ase-closed.htm

As there are problems with the paternal lineage, many of the Plantagenet Alliance are probably not even related to King Richard III. HAHA!
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Old December 3rd, 2014, 11:14 AM   #532
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That is the ultimate irony...
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Even more ironic is that either Henry Tudor or Richard may have been from an illegitimate line. Thus making their claim to the throne, and that of any of their descendents, null and void.
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Old December 3rd, 2014, 02:24 PM   #534
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Seems it may all come down to the legitimacy of John of Gaunt, who lived much of his life in Leicester and buried a wife, two children and died himself in our fair city...

The Houses of Lancaster, York and Tudor are descended from John of Gaunt, who was the sixteenth richest man in human history. some of the European royal lines are also linked to John...

Even more reason to get the Castle Precinct tied in with the Richard III and royalty story.
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