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Old March 25th, 2017, 04:24 PM   #141
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Old March 25th, 2017, 06:54 PM   #142
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Meh morocco is not happy with EU policy anymore. If anything the recent visit of the king in china means that the door is open for more relations to consolidate.
China is not interested in investing in Africa. Countries like Algeria, Angola etc offered China billions of deal. But still China didn't invest much in this countries.

China is only interested in doing projects and lending money.
Only 4% of all investments in Africa are from China..
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Old March 25th, 2017, 07:00 PM   #143
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Chinese companies are building projects in Algeria worth more then 20 billion dollar, there are tens of thousands of Chinese workers in Algeria.
And still Chinese big Banks, retail, industries are not investing anything in Algeria.

Angola is the same story. All the billion worth of projects are build by China. But Chinese companies refuse to invest in non oil sector.
Both countries neef FDI to diversify their economies, but China is not helping.

Morocco is really naive by thinking that Chinese companies will now suddenly invest in Morocco.
I doubt that. Evert big investment needs permission from the Chinese state. Chinese communist party is not grazy to help Morocco become the ' China of Africa'
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Old March 25th, 2017, 07:26 PM   #144
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Chinese companies are building projects in Algeria worth more then 20 billion dollar, there are tens of thousands of Chinese workers in Algeria.
And still Chinese big Banks, retail, industries are not investing anything in Algeria.

Angola is the same story. All the billion worth of projects are build by China. But Chinese companies refuse to invest in non oil sector.
Both countries neef FDI to diversify their economies, but China is not helping.

Morocco is really naive by thinking that Chinese companies will now suddenly invest in Morocco.
I doubt that. Evert big investment needs permission from the Chinese state. Chinese communist party is not grazy to help Morocco become the ' China of Africa'
The king went to China to convince them that the road to the US and European market goes through Morocco and he succeeded in that. When Morocco signed the free trade agreement with the USA in 2004, the USA was quick to sign because they did not see the Moroccan industry as a threat. Not long after it was signed Morocco started to work on the Free Trade Zone and Tanger Med. It seems that from the start, this was the strategy. Sign Free Trade Agreements with USA and Europe, then get own industry running so that Morocco can start exporting. The benefits for the Chinese are as followed, everything produced in Moroccco will be "Made in Morocco" and since Morocco has FTA with USA and Europe, these products will be exported to US and Europe. Especially now its more important for the Chinese because both US and Europe are restricting China more and more in its trade with them, since China has no FTA with them, it is very happy to produce in Morocco and reach US and Europe through a back door. This is the strategy of our king and it will work very well.

As for iAzzouzi, rare have I seen such stupidity like I have seen from you. You talk about politics as if it is about some children fighting in the playground over who gets to play with the ball. The primary task of the king is to keep his country and its people safe and he has done a great job so far. People like you are the kind that look up to Saddam Hussein, because he was so brave, you fail to see him for what he was, a fool. He was barking at powers he did not understand and he failed at keeping his people safe. Millions have died and this is what you want for our country and for this reason I consider people like you the greatest threat against our country, people like you are worst than Polisario and by far worst then Israel. People like you are the true enemies of Morocco.
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Old March 25th, 2017, 07:55 PM   #145
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The king went to China to convince them that the road to the US and European market goes through Morocco and he succeeded in that. When Morocco signed the free trade agreement with the USA in 2004, the USA was quick to sign because they did not see the Moroccan industry as a threat. Not long after it was signed Morocco started to work on the Free Trade Zone and Tanger Med. It seems that from the start, this was the strategy. Sign Free Trade Agreements with USA and Europe, then get own industry running so that Morocco can start exporting. The benefits for the Chinese are as followed, everything produced in Moroccco will be "Made in Morocco" and since Morocco has FTA with USA and Europe, these products will be exported to US and Europe. Especially now its more important for the Chinese because both US and Europe are restricting China more and more in its trade with them, since China has no FTA with them, it is very happy to produce in Morocco and reach US and Europe through a back door. This is the strategy of our king and it will work very well.
also the salaries in China are increasing very fast. this will push chinese companies into looking to other countries with cheaper wages so they can stay competitive.
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Old March 25th, 2017, 09:17 PM   #146
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15 milliards de dollars a l'export?? c'est pas un peu exageré?
Je pense que les médias Marocains, confondent Dirhams/Dollars. 15 milliards de DH c'est déja beaucoup plus réaliste.
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Old March 25th, 2017, 09:20 PM   #147
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Si ils parlent en milliards de dollars, c'est du foutage de gueule parce que 15milliards USD, c'est plus de la moitiée de ce que le Maroc tout entier exporte, si c'est en Dirhams par contre Why not.
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Old March 25th, 2017, 10:37 PM   #148
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Si ils parlent en milliards de dollars, c'est du foutage de gueule parce que 15milliards USD, c'est plus de la moitiée de ce que le Maroc tout entier exporte, si c'est en Dirhams par contre Why not.
Dollars ! Dollars ! , my guys , 15 billion is for the long term 2025 mark my words !



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Old March 25th, 2017, 10:54 PM   #149
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ici un reportage sur une zone industriel chinoise en ethiopie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlFZk8ed7Jg
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zone industriel en ethiopie on voit que les chinois traite les ethiopien comme des esclave quand meme...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJqZyUVkX90
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The king went to China to convince them that the road to the US and European market goes through Morocco and he succeeded in that. When Morocco signed the free trade agreement with the USA in 2004, the USA was quick to sign because they did not see the Moroccan industry as a threat. Not long after it was signed Morocco started to work on the Free Trade Zone and Tanger Med. It seems that from the start, this was the strategy. Sign Free Trade Agreements with USA and Europe, then get own industry running so that Morocco can start exporting. The benefits for the Chinese are as followed, everything produced in Moroccco will be "Made in Morocco" and since Morocco has FTA with USA and Europe, these products will be exported to US and Europe. Especially now its more important for the Chinese because both US and Europe are restricting China more and more in its trade with them, since China has no FTA with them, it is very happy to produce in Morocco and reach US and Europe through a back door. This is the strategy of our king and it will work very well.

As for iAzzouzi, rare have I seen such stupidity like I have seen from you. You talk about politics as if it is about some children fighting in the playground over who gets to play with the ball. The primary task of the king is to keep his country and its people safe and he has done a great job so far. People like you are the kind that look up to Saddam Hussein, because he was so brave, you fail to see him for what he was, a fool. He was barking at powers he did not understand and he failed at keeping his people safe. Millions have died and this is what you want for our country and for this reason I consider people like you the greatest threat against our country, people like you are worst than Polisario and by far worst then Israel. People like you are the true enemies of Morocco.
I doubt the FTA deals will allow Chinese to export its stuff through Morocco. There are always red lines.
Turkey has also a FTA deal with the EU, but there are also no big Chinese industries who use Turkey as a gateway.

Morocco has already some free zones and still there are no big Chinese companies, factories.
Trust me, the Chinese promise every country big industrial projects, but they never invest.
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Old March 26th, 2017, 11:04 AM   #152
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ici un reportage sur une zone industriel chinoise en ethiopie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlFZk8ed7Jg
This are only tiny investments. Ethiopia's manufacturing is only worth 2 billion dollar. That is nothing. Most SSA have more manufacturing then Ethiopia.
Also according tot the World Bank the manufacturing sector in Ethiopia is still the same as in 1999.

It is a big myth that China is investing massive in manufacturing in Ethiopia.
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http://globalriskinsights.com/2017/0...-with-morocco/
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Thanks Mohamed for sharing. It was a good read.
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Old March 26th, 2017, 06:52 PM   #155
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I doubt the FTA deals will allow Chinese to export its stuff through Morocco. There are always red lines.
Turkey has also a FTA deal with the EU, but there are also no big Chinese industries who use Turkey as a gateway.

Morocco has already some free zones and still there are no big Chinese companies, factories.
Trust me, the Chinese promise every country big industrial projects, but they never invest.
Well Erdogan did not bother going to the Chinese to convince them of the benefits, our king did. Also Turkey did not facilitate the Chinese like Morocco did, giving them land, fiscal benefits etc.
Made in Morocco is made in Morocco, if the Chinese produce products in Morocco that fall under the FTA deals, they have no choice but to accept them.

I think it was you that said that the focus should be on middle and small entreprises and I fully agree with you, but do not underestemate this kind of projects, for example Renault, it gives work to 6000 people, all these people need to buy from the bakery, clothing, butcher etc, so it effects more than just the people that work directly. I see it as better this kind of projects than nothing. And you must agree with me that from 2004 untill now our GDP has doubled, alot came from these big projects.

Also, read this: http://globalriskinsights.com/2017/0...-with-morocco/

PS. You are welcome DepressedAli
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