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Old February 9th, 2013, 07:07 PM   #2201
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No doubt your statistics are right ..... but ....... there is a reason that both the Rams and Raiders left in 1995.

Perhaps what you stated above is actually part of the problem. There is ALOT to do in Southern California and there are many different ways to spend money on sports. Throw in concerts, theatre, the beach and theme parks and you see my point. This doesn't even address the problem of a whole generation growing up with no local team, that has been free to pick and choose (and watch) their favorites from around the country.

I'm not saying that two NFL teams wouldn't work in LA, but I don't think that it's a slam dunk either.
So despite LA having strong sports attendance across the board for it's varying teams, as well as the amount of things to do in this city, we would be unable to support a new NFL team?
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Old February 9th, 2013, 07:23 PM   #2202
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So despite LA having strong sports attendance across the board for it's varying teams, as well as the amount of things to do in this city, we would be unable to support a new NFL team?
Didn't say that. I was referring to having two teams. And the NFL is a different creature. The NFL wants every game sold out. In advance. Preferably with a long waiting list to buy season tickets.

I don't KNOW that LA can provide that for two teams. Don't KNOW that they can't. Neither does anyone else KNOW. It's a gamble and it's not a slam dunk.
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Old February 9th, 2013, 10:44 PM   #2203
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No doubt your statistics are right ..... but ....... there is a reason that both the Rams and Raiders left in 1995.
And it had nothing to do with attendance. It had to do with neither team having a suitable stadium with lots of suites and other revenue-generating amenities that georgia and al wanted and local governments refused to foot the bill for.

That's why they left...and that's why the 2017 L.A. Rams will sell out every game in Farmers Field.
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Old February 9th, 2013, 11:33 PM   #2204
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The NFL wants every game sold out. In advance. Preferably with a long waiting list to buy season tickets.
Hell, even New Freaking York doesn't have 2 teams that fit that criteria.
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Old February 10th, 2013, 03:07 AM   #2205
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Hell, even New Freaking York doesn't have 2 teams that fit that criteria.
Which is why the two team thing doesn't make much sense. That's all I'm saying.
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Old February 10th, 2013, 04:22 AM   #2206
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Which is why the two team thing doesn't make much sense. That's all I'm saying.
It makes sense under certain conditions. I'm not crazy about the idea of 2 teams, especially right off the bat. I'd rather see 1 team personally, but even well established franchises don't always sell out the season. The Chiefs, Browns, Steelers, Bengals and Dolphins, among others, didn't play to capacity this past season.
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Old February 10th, 2013, 04:41 AM   #2207
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Oh, good, somebody has raised the issue of why the Rams and Raiders left. This is usually good for a few heated posts.
It is? I had no idea. Wonder why ...
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Old February 10th, 2013, 01:35 PM   #2208
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The Rams are going to leave St Louis in 2015 for the same reason the Rams left Los Angeles in 1995. Not much changes in 20 years.
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Old February 10th, 2013, 07:36 PM   #2209
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The Rams are going to leave St Louis in 2015 for the same reason the Rams left Los Angeles in 1995. Not much changes in 20 years.
The Rams left when they were bought my a Missouri owner, that owner now owns a larger share of the team. They aren't leaving Missouri but they may move to the STL suburbs.
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The Rams left when they were bought my a Missouri owner, that owner now owns a larger share of the team. They aren't leaving Missouri but they may move to the STL suburbs.
Not even. The Rams were bought in 1972 by Robert Irsay, who promptly traded franchises with Carroll Rosenbloom, owner of the Colts. Rosenbloom was already planning the move to Anaheim when he drowned in 1979, and his widow, Georgia Frontiere (who was from St. Louis), inherited his ownership. She moved the team to her childhood home of St. Louis 16 years later, in 1995. But she did not buy the team, and for a number of years worked hard to build a new home in LA. But LA fumbled the ball.
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Old February 11th, 2013, 06:28 PM   #2211
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I knew we would get into some history. Maybe I can summarize the two sides in advance:

The Rams and Raiders left because: LA sucks; the people are bad fans; it's a baseball and basketball town; SC and UCLA take too much attention; the traffic is bad; it's not super cool like [insert city] which has real fans.

Or, the Rams and Raiders left because: LA refused to put in public money; Al and Georgia found that Oakland/STL were desperate for anything and looted them with deals that basically handed public money to the owners (and are coming back for more public money again).

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Old February 11th, 2013, 09:09 PM   #2212
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I knew we would get into some history. Maybe I can summarize the two sides in advance:

The Rams and Raiders left because: LA sucks; the people are bad fans; it's a baseball and basketball town; SC and UCLA take too much attention; the traffic is bad it's not super cool like [insert city] which has real fans.

Or, the Rams and Raiders left because: LA refused to put in public money; Al and Georgia found that Oakland/STL were desperate for anything and looted them with deals that basically handed public money to the owners (and are coming back for more public money again).
LOL! This pretty much hits the nail on the head.
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Old February 12th, 2013, 04:29 AM   #2213
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Not even. The Rams were bought in 1972 by Robert Irsay, who promptly traded franchises with Carroll Rosenbloom, owner of the Colts. Rosenbloom was already planning the move to Anaheim when he drowned in 1979, and his widow, Georgia Frontiere (who was from St. Louis), inherited his ownership. She moved the team to her childhood home of St. Louis 16 years later, in 1995. But she did not buy the team, and for a number of years worked hard to build a new home in LA. But LA fumbled the ball.
Kroenke bought 30% of the team in 1995, was up to 40% a couple years later and become the full owner in 2010. He lives an hour west of the STL metro and his favorite team is the STL Cardinals. That is who I was referring to as he is the current owner and the one making the decisions. He isn't moving the team.
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Old February 12th, 2013, 05:22 AM   #2214
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Kroenke bought 30% of the team in 1995, was up to 40% a couple years later and become the full owner in 2010. He lives an hour west of the STL metro and his favorite team is the STL Cardinals. That is who I was referring to as he is the current owner and the one making the decisions. He isn't moving the team.
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Old February 12th, 2013, 06:25 PM   #2215
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Kroenke bought 30% of the team in 1995, was up to 40% a couple years later and become the full owner in 2010. He lives an hour west of the STL metro and his favorite team is the STL Cardinals. That is who I was referring to as he is the current owner and the one making the decisions. He isn't moving the team.
Well, it does make you wonder why he is repeatedly seen at Laker games, etc., talking to Dr. Soon-Shiong. Maybe they're swapping moo goo gai pan recipes, or trading tips on Feng Shui for his Malibu home?

At the least, he's playing off the possibility of moving to LA as leverage in STL.
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Old February 18th, 2013, 11:54 PM   #2216
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As expected...

No NFL team in L.A. for 2013
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Old February 19th, 2013, 06:03 AM   #2217
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Not really a surprise. If a move was coming, it would have been trumpeted far and wide across the land. This is LA, after all.
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Old February 20th, 2013, 07:54 PM   #2218
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Not really a surprise. If a move was coming, it would have been trumpeted far and wide across the land. This is LA, after all.
Excellent point. It's hard to even imagine how this will be handled, considering that if C list celebs are having a baby it gets at least a 6 month PR campaign, including millions for twitter and other social media. The NFL will want this to do this right.
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Old February 22nd, 2013, 01:49 AM   #2219
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So does that mean this project is off?
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I think it means it wasn't going to happen this soon in any case.
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