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Old November 12th, 2015, 04:43 AM   #1
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Proposed | DARLING HARBOUR | Harbourside | 45st/163m | Mixed

Mirvac has lodged concept plans to prepare SEARs for the Harbourside shopping centre site.

The proposal is for a 4 storey shopping centre with 52,500 sq m of retail and restaurant space plus a commercial tower with 45,000 sq m of space at the northern end of the site. The commercial tower is planned to be at least as tall as the Sofitel Darling Harbour at the southern end of the site.

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http://www.majorprojects.planning.ns...ob&job_id=7375
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Old November 12th, 2015, 04:46 AM   #2
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Old November 12th, 2015, 05:00 AM   #3
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great spot for a tall
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Old November 12th, 2015, 05:24 AM   #4
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A fundamental component of the redevelopment proposal will be to establish a public domain concept

that integrates with the Sofitel Sydney Darling Harbour and adjoining SICEEP facilities, revitalises the

pedestrian interface to Darling Harbour and provides for new connections between Darling Harbour and
both Pyrmont and the Sydney CBD (via Pyrmont Bridge).


The Staged DA will seek consent for land uses, gross floor area, building envelopes,
public domain concept, pedestrian and vehicle access and circulation arrangements and associated car
parking provision.

Future separate DAs will be lodged for the detailed design and
construction of the development.











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Old November 12th, 2015, 05:27 AM   #5
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How bad do we think the NIMBY backlash will be, having such a large building right next to the bridge?
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Old November 12th, 2015, 05:49 AM   #6
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not a problem.
already one opposite end
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Old November 12th, 2015, 07:07 AM   #7
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I wish they'd build an over-the-top touristy shopping mall, something like Caesars Palace in Las Vegas.

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Old November 12th, 2015, 07:38 AM   #8
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Maybe we can have one with creeks and billabongs
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Old November 12th, 2015, 07:58 AM   #9
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Very subversive there Cariad.
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Old November 12th, 2015, 09:24 AM   #10
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If The Ribbon is developed as a hotel which is most likely at this stage then an office building could be in demand.

However if the Ribbon is developed as office then hotel and/or residential may became a better option for the tower.
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Old November 12th, 2015, 10:07 AM   #11
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Yes! Glad to hear the existing, old/tired shopping centre is going to be replaced. It will stick out like a sore thumb in its existing shape.
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Old November 12th, 2015, 12:11 PM   #12
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How bad do we think the NIMBY backlash will be, having such a large building right next to the bridge?
I think the bigger problem will be the unit owners behind the future tower at One Darling Harbour (Ibis Hotel building).

I'm quite surprised that Mirvac is planning something this bold. I was expecting a campus style/medium rise building like Darling Quarter. I guess it will help reduce the 'lone ranger' impact Sofitel on the skyline. No doubt Mirvac is using it as a precedent to justify the height.

I'm also surprised that Mirvac is planning a commercials tower here. The only thing this site will have going for it that The Ribbon didn't is it will be going up in a new cycle. The site is further from public transport than The Ribbon and even more removed from the traditional business core. I think a mixed residential / hotel development would be more appropriate.
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Old November 12th, 2015, 02:00 PM   #13
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I'm also surprised that Mirvac is planning a commercials tower here. The only thing this site will have going for it that The Ribbon didn't is it will be going up in a new cycle. The site is further from public transport than The Ribbon and even more removed from the traditional business core. I think a mixed residential / hotel development would be more appropriate.
What does The Ribbon really offer as a commercial building? It's squashed between several expressways, feels completely isolated at ground level and in a part of the CBD that's not exactly a vibrant hotspot for business (it's all just one big CBA campus these days).

This new tower will be right in the heart of the very popular and in demand Pyrmont core. I don't think Mirvac would have anything like the same amount of difficulty finding a major tenant for this one as Grocon has for The Ribbon.

The Ribbon will make for a great hotel.
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Old November 12th, 2015, 11:43 PM   #14
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having a long building of say 70m high would have created a wall and blocked out all views from behind.
having a slim tower at northern end eliminates this.
atleast most units in onedarlingharb still get a view.
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Old November 13th, 2015, 01:03 PM   #15
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You would think the sensible location for the tower would be towards the middle of the harbourside site... not next to the bridge.
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Old November 13th, 2015, 01:15 PM   #16
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It would be too close to the hotel & its city views.
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Old November 14th, 2015, 12:01 AM   #17
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having a long building of say 70m high would have created a wall and blocked out all views from behind.
having a slim tower at northern end eliminates this.
atleast most units in onedarlingharb still get a view.
Not unlike the current Casino buildings. From memory, they (local agitators) could have had a taller, thinner construction (about 23 storeys - Cul would know) with a large 'peephole' through the building. Instead they wound up with two and ultimately three, shorter, stockier slabs blocking out more of the view.

But hey, at least they're not that tall...

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Old November 17th, 2015, 06:20 AM   #18
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Office tower proposed as part of Harbourside Shopping Centre redevelopment

Another new tower could soon loom large on Darling Harbour's skyline as part of a redevelopment of the much-maligned Harbourside Shopping Centre.

Mirvac, which bought the centre for $252 million in 2013, has lodged a preliminary concept documents setting out its ambition for the waterfront site.

"Mirvac is considering its options for the site, including a significant new retail shopping centre and commercial office tower," documents, lodged with the Department of Planning and Environment, said.

The Harbourside Shopping Centre was opened by Queen Elizabeth in 1988 but has faced difficulties, including financial problems and tenancy disputes, in the years since.

It was more recently criticised as a "tired tourist trap" that risked hampering the transformation of the $2.5 billion convention, exhibition and events precinct due to open from next year.

The centre is next to Darling Harbour's new convention centre and the Sofitel Sydney Darling Harbour, which are now both under construction.

Mirvac's application states the "outdated" centre did not integrate well with the surrounding developments or the public domain, and provided poor pedestrian access to the waterfront.

"The functionality and experience of the centre as a shopping destination is in decline," it said.

"Improved public domain and pedestrian connectivity will be a fundamental aspect of the redevelopment."

The proposed office tower, although "still in its preliminary stages", would be located next to Pyrmont Bridge and comprise 45,000sq m of commercial floor space, it said.

The tower would have "a minimum height that accords with that of the adjoining Sofitel Sydney Darling Harbour," which is to be 35 storeys high.

The Department of Planning and Environment received the application on November 9.

"The department has 28 days from this date to respond to the applicant," a department spokeswoman said.

"In this time, the department will consult with the council and relevant agencies to prepare the [Secretary's Environmental Assessment Requirements]."





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Old November 17th, 2015, 12:29 PM   #19
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What does The Ribbon really offer as a commercial building? It's squashed between several expressways, feels completely isolated at ground level and in a part of the CBD that's not exactly a vibrant hotspot for business (it's all just one big CBA campus these days).

This new tower will be right in the heart of the very popular and in demand Pyrmont core. I don't think Mirvac would have anything like the same amount of difficulty finding a major tenant for this one as Grocon has for The Ribbon.

The Ribbon will make for a great hotel.
My 2c;

Aside from The Ribbon's location between elevated roads, it is closer to rail stations and closer to other major office buildings (Darling Park, Darling Square) than Mirvac's tower which would have appealed to some potential tenants.

If Google moves to White Bay, you'd expect a bit of commercial space to free up in Pyrmont. And most of the commercial tenants in Pyrmont are located there because they don't want/need to be located in skyscrapers.
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DGRs have been issued for the site.
http://majorprojects.planning.nsw.go...ob&job_id=7375

As landowner, SHFA supports the redevelopment of the existing shopping centre, however it has raised concerns about the height, bulk and location of the proposed commercial tower. SHFA has suggested moving the tower south to reduce overshadowing and its presence on the heritage listed Pyrmont Bridge.

Another suggestion was multiple towers with smaller footprints.

If Star's 200m Ritz Carlton gets up, I think there is a case for heights to step up from ICC Sydney and the Sofitel Hotel (130m) through the new commercial tower at Harbourside.

A taller, more slender tower would reduce overshadowing on the Pyrmont Bridge and surrounding buildings.

I still think Mirvac should look at a hotel. If Ritz Carlton, Sofitel and W are all planning on opening luxury hotels on the western waterfront, there is clearly demand from new to market hotel operators for properties in this area.
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