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Old February 2nd, 2006, 09:26 AM   #1
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Talking Long Beach: 500 and 600 foot towers proposed!!!

Condo complex planned
By Don Jergler, Staff writer



Proposed downtown towersLONG BEACH — A high-powered development team that includes the brother of Las Vegas mogul Steve Wynn offered the first public look Wednesday at plans to build the city's two tallest buildings, one soaring 55 stories.

The $1 billion sail-shaped development of three residential buildings would yield roughly 1,300 upscale condominiums on the parking lot behind the World Trade Center.

"We wanted to do something over the edge spectacular," said development team member George Medak, who has brought several large-scale projects to downtown. "We're looking for a 'Wow' factor here."

Molasky Pacific California LLC purchased a 5.6-acre parcel at the southeast corner of Broadway and Golden Avenue a parking lot used by the Hilton Long Beach Hotel and World Trade Center for $18 million in March 2005.

Molasky acknowledged the development proposal in May 2005, but Wednesday was the first time developers elaborated on those plans, including the possible widening of Broadway.

The high-powered Molasky team includes Kenneth Wynn, who has overseen development on several of brother Steve Wynn's Las Vegas casinos, and two developers of other high-profile residential projects on Ocean Camden at Harbor View developer Peter Cossavella and Medak, developer of Aqua.

Plans call for a seven-story building, along with towers of 45 stories and 55 stories standing at 500 feet and 600 feet respectively. Both towers would loom above the World Trade Center, the city's tallest building at 397 feet.

"It's the tallest residential project proposed in recent memory," said Suzanne Frick, director of Long Beach planning and building. "The city's vision is to increase heights and densities, particularly in that area."

The taller western tower would be curved like a wind-filled sail and have a stepped-up architecture rising on its outer portion to 35 stories. The shorter tower's outer portion would extend to 25 stories.

The project's shape and slender construction are purposefully reminiscent of sails, and the generous amount of glass and metal in the buildings would give them a shimmering effect resembling water, said Todd Pilgreen, the principal designer of the project and vice president of Venice-based Jerde Partnership.

Jerde designed some of Wynn's best known Las Vegas properties, including the Bellagio, Wynn and Fremont Street Experience, as well as Horton Plaza in San Diego and South Coast Plaza in Orange County.

"Long Beach is based around the water and sailing and shipping," Pilgreen said. "And the site itself is kind of the gateway into Long Beach."

A 3,500-space parking structure would be part of the smallest seven-story building, which would have two levels underground. The three buildings would be attached via a walkway, and the project would include 10,000 square feet of retail space.

"It's a vertical village," Pilgreen said.

The two towers would have gardens carved into their sides, providing visual architectural relief and functional gardens for residents. Plans call for between six and eight gardens total in both towers, about 30 feet wide of varying heights up to six stories tall. The project would also include a rooftop park.

Individual units would measure between 800 square feet and 1,400 square feet, with penthouses possibly up to 2,500 square feet. Estimated selling prices would start in the $700,000s.

Plans also call for the developer to widen Broadway, enabling more traffic from the Long Beach (710) Freeway.

The Molasky team is the same developer that in May proposed a 40-story tower what would have been the city's tallest building on Ocean Boulevard and Alamitos Avenue. The project was scrapped by Molasky following public opposition, particularly from neighbors across the street in the historic Villa Riviera condominiums.

Some of those same people formed a community activist group to scrutinize large-scale developments, and they are citing Medak's Aqua project as an example of a development whose architecture and setbacks are bad for the community.

"I would be concerned about the developer of the Aqua fiasco being responsible for another project," said Bill McKinnon, with www.savelbcskyline.org. "(Aqua) certainly is not an architectural monument to our city."

The developer of the 556-unit, twin-tower Aqua project Medak pushed the project through, but he is not considered its developer requested and received its fourth extension to the construction deadline in December, pushing the project's opening back to spring.

The project at Ocean Boulevard and Elm Avenue has been in the works in one form or another for more than 20 years, and has been beleaguered by setbacks, including a flooding incident in late April 2005, when a sprinkler head discharge caused roughly $2 million in water damage to the interior of the east tower.

McKinnon is also concerned that vehicular traffic brought in by the Molasky project and the widening of Broadway would further congest Pine Avenue and is not in keeping with plans to spruce up Broadway in the East Village Arts District about a mile away.

"The development is contradictory to the objective to reduce traffic on Broadway," he said.

Developers acknowledge potential drawbacks to the Molasky project: A traffic-impact study would be needed to gauge any traffic increase along Broadway, and the towers would cast a shadow over Chavez Elementary School at 730 W. Third St. during fall months for a few hours per day.

Developers plan to initiate an environmental impact report and begin soliciting public opinion in March, and hope to start construction by March 2007. Construction would take more than two years and cost roughly $800 million, developers said. Developers expect condo sales to total $1 billion.

The project would initially funnel more than $2 million per year to Long Beach's general fund coffers in property taxes alone, said Mike Killebrew, the city's finance director.

It would generate up to $2.7 million in fees that would go toward expanding or building new parks, add $1.5 million for traffic improvements, generate up to $5 million in planning permits, and $3.5 million for area schools, he said.

Bringing to downtown more affluent people will help raise the area's average income and make it more attractive to retailers, he said, adding, "The real benefit is having higher income residents."

Don Jergler can be reached at (562) 499-1281.

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An artist's model of the proposed residential costal development that would be adjacent to the Long Beach World Trade Center. .


An artist rendering of the proposed residential costal development that would be adjacent to the Long Beach World Trade Center .


An artist rendering of the proposed residential costal development that would be adjacent to the Long Beach World Trade Center .


This map shows the intended location of the proposed residential costal development that would be adjacent to the Long Beach World Trade Center .



A view of the Long Beach skyline at night, overlaid with the proposed residential costal development towers, appearing translucent .
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Old February 2nd, 2006, 10:59 PM   #3
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the shapes in the model look nice but i really dont like the material finishings on the renders. perhaps its just a bad render
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Old February 3rd, 2006, 06:52 PM   #4
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Wow, for a message borad under Skyscrapercity... not many like to talk about skyscrapers... most of the topics here are about other things like low rider culture, USC vs UCLA, and names for a new NFL team in LA which doesn't even exist...

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Old February 3rd, 2006, 07:06 PM   #5
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Wow, for a message borad under Skyscrapercity... not many like to talk about skyscrapers... most of the topics here are about other things like low rider culture, USC vs UCLA, and names for a new NFL team in LA which doesn't even exist...

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Yeah, It's true but why don't u take action with skyscraper related in LA forum? Emporis is no good and just looks full of crap, not updating alot.

Can u copy and paste the information and renders from Emporis? I can do it but you need get Opera.
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Old February 3rd, 2006, 10:43 PM   #6
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vice city- I think skyscrapers suck.. just my opinion. They're usually actually quite bland and boring, with the exception of like the chrysler building obviously and a few others. also just the fetishism surrounding them creeps me out a little.

I love urbanism, and this site is also about that.. I don't think skyscrapers and Urbanism need go hand in hand. No one would deny that a place like london is urban. But it really doesn't have a skyline, except for like a few sort of tall buildings in one little cluster.

I think there are more pressing issues regarding urbanism than making a skyline that looks good on a postcard. LA's city planners in the 50s started worrying about that and look what we got.. bunker hill.
Houston has skycrapers up the wazoo, and from what I hear, it blows.
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Old February 3rd, 2006, 11:27 PM   #7
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My thing is that yeah, a building by itself can be either three things, nice, ugly or so-so... but several different skyscrapers taken together in a skyline... at night with cool illumination.. looks visually interesting. The skyline defines the city and well, this website is "skyscrapercity". I am fully aware that urban issues are also discussed, but my thing is that the reason I came to this site initially is due to the "skyscraper" theme... the rest is interesting to me, no doubt... but the purpose or reason why I post here is to discuss skyscrapers... simple really but in the end who really cares right... its just steel and glass. But I do like the looks of high-rise towers forming unique and interesting skylines.... almost like a fingerprint.. no two skylines are alike.

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Old February 4th, 2006, 12:48 PM   #8
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LA isn't exactly skyscrapercity, sorry.
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kamedia, you're missing the point... this thread specifically is about two 500 and 600 foot towers. DUH
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Old February 6th, 2006, 10:07 PM   #11
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Edgewater Condominiums , Long Beach, California


Empty lot set for new life?
By Don Jergler, Staff



LONG BEACH — Developers of Edgewater on Ocean, a high-profile condo tower development on the busy corner of Ocean Boulevard and Pine Avenue, say they are set to begin construction on the $180 million project this summer.

It would mark the first activity on the vacant lot since the late-1980s, when the Jergens Trust Building was torn down.

The Planning Commission on Thursday cleared a hurdle to begin development by unanimously granting a project variance that allows changes to the building's exterior design, an additional level of underground parking, an increase in lot coverage, a change to Victory Park improvements and a reduction in the amount of space required for corner cutoff at the driveway entrances.

The developer says the variances were necessary.

"I think we have substantially improved on the original plan," Steven Clark, executive vice president of James Ratkovich & Associates, told planning commissioners.

The site has sat vacant as several residential and hotel proposals have fallen by the wayside.

The 23-level structure 19 stories over four levels of parking will feature 155 condominiums between 800 square feet and 2,700 square feet priced between $400,000 and $3 million.

The project will include roughly 1,900 square feet of retail space at the intersection of Pine and Seaside Way. It will also feature 9,060 square feet of retail and 6,466 square feet for a restaurant and bar at the Ocean Boulevard level.

The four levels of parking will provide 359 on-site parking spaces. An off-site parking structure at 207 Seaside Way will provide an additional 276 parking spaces, according to plans.

The project calls for construction of two pedestrian bridges from the parking structure to 180 E. Ocean Blvd and the Long Beach Convention Center Plaza. One of the 20-foot wide pedestrian bridges will be built over Locust Avenue and connect to 180 E. Ocean Blvd. The other will be built over Collins Way to Convention Center plaza to provide pedestrian access from Pine Avenue to the convention center and the neighboring Aqua project.

The owners of the Breakers, a retirement community at 210 E. Ocean Blvd., have raised an objection, citing the parking problems a development on such a crowded corner would create for its neighbors.

"Twenty-five is just not enough," said Charles Rosenberg, who represents the Breakers and the Sky Room restaurant and bar atop the building. "We are suffering in our business because of the lack of parking."

Planning Commissioners dismissed Rosenberg's complaint as a matter between the Breakers and the Edgewater developer and voted unanimously to grant the variances. The project still needs further planning approval.

"Let's get this show on the road, it's been an empty lot long enough," said Planning Commissioner Charles Greenberg.

Don Jergler can be reached at (562) 499-1281.
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Old February 7th, 2006, 12:18 AM   #12
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Those are some nice looking towers. They'll only improve LB's already impressive skyline.
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Here's the link to the San Pedro development form SSP:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=97087
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Old February 7th, 2006, 02:04 AM   #14
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hahaha.. long beach..
it looks like they even used COMPUTERS from 1991 to do the renderings..

Look at those cars in the drawing.. Is that a ferrari testarossa? or an Acura NSX??
also I like the one girl with the belly-button-high acid-washed jeans and the
Blue Blockers. Maybe it's cindi crawford!

I love you long beach..
Snoop left and you froze in time..
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Old February 7th, 2006, 02:11 AM   #15
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^ ha ha ha!
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this is great
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hahaha.. long beach..
it looks like they even used COMPUTERS from 1991 to do the renderings..

Look at those cars in the drawing.. Is that a ferrari testarossa? or an Acura NSX??
also I like the one girl with the belly-button-high acid-washed jeans and the
Blue Blockers. Maybe it's cindi crawford!

I love you long beach..
Snoop left and you froze in time..

dweebo2220, wtf are u talking about? try to stick to the topic and by the way you write... looks like you're frozen in time
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Old February 7th, 2006, 09:58 AM   #18
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Those two towers are nice. Long Beach has a lot of potental to have a large skyline. All Long Beach needs is density.
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