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Old April 24th, 2015, 04:55 PM   #1
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DOWNTOWN TAMPA | Altis Grand Central | 8 stories | 314 units | 10k sf retail | U/C

I was just looking for something on the city's portal and noticed that there is a rezoning request for a 272-unit apartment project on Grand Central, between Magnolia and Cedar.
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Old April 24th, 2015, 05:15 PM   #2
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I'm on my iPad, so I can't get a good look at the elevations, but the elevations are there.
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Old April 24th, 2015, 05:18 PM   #3
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That's the Bryn Alan land... That's been brewing for a while.
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Old April 24th, 2015, 05:43 PM   #4
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Ugh... project looks like shit... Another single-use urban enclave, like Pierhouse/Aurora/Crescent Bayshore.

I was hoping for something more like The Boulevard project from a few years back.


In case anyone wants to look it up themselves...

The record is: REZ-15-0000041



The project is named "Atlis Grand Central"
Being proposed by Altman Development Corp.
7 floors*
272 units
526 parking spaces


*Well, the units are in two 5 story buildings, flanking a 7 story parking garage in the middle. Yes, the parking garage will be the tallest, most prominent feature of this project. Note that there is no ground floor commercial. Really says it all, don't you think?


Edit: In case anyone thinks I'm kidding about the garage being the tallest part...
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Old April 24th, 2015, 05:46 PM   #5
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Here's the Biz Journal's article on this project:

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A South Florida developer is planning a multifamily development across the street from Oxford Exchange.
Altman Development Corp., based in Boca Raton, has asked the city to rezone a 2.51-acre site at 504 Grand Central Ave. to make way for a multifamily development with up to 273 units. (See map below.)
http://www.bizjournals.com/tampabay/...om-oxford.html
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Old April 24th, 2015, 05:53 PM   #6
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I already hate it.
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Old April 24th, 2015, 06:27 PM   #7
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So...what's going to happen to the parking for all of the Grand Central stuff like Oxford Exchange? And that building Olin Mills is in is fairly old, I'd imagine it has some kind of protection.
This seems like an awful fit for the neighborhood and that piece of land in particular.
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Old April 24th, 2015, 07:30 PM   #8
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Yeah, there weren't any site plans or elevations up when I looked, but I figured it would be crap.

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So...what's going to happen to the parking for all of the Grand Central stuff like Oxford Exchange?
There's on-street parking, parking in another nearby lot, and probably some leasable spaces in this building; they're proposing more parking than they need.

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And that building Olin Mills is in is fairly old, I'd imagine it has some kind of protection.
It's in the national historic district, but not the local one. National districts are pretty much worthless from a preservation standpoint.
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Old April 24th, 2015, 07:38 PM   #9
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I'm really surprised that no retail was included. I can think of numerous restaurants that would be successful in that location.
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Old April 24th, 2015, 08:14 PM   #10
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Unfortunately they're just developing for what the area is built for. Yeah this is "downtown" but anyone living there is going to be car dependent anyway due to the lack of transit options. That's why there's two parking spots per unit.

The retail is a bit more disappointing but I guess they figure there is enough vacant space on the other side of Grand Central?
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Old April 25th, 2015, 12:18 AM   #11
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Is this going to need to go through the Council for a zoning change? Can we stop this? There needs to be retail on Grand Central.
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Old April 25th, 2015, 12:45 AM   #12
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Yes, they have to get a PD to build this, which is pretty much at council's discretion.
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Old April 25th, 2015, 02:10 AM   #13
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I think if we want to see projects like this have retail, or just generally be better, the goal should be to have the city's code amended. At this point, even if Council was convinced to deny this, it would probably result in the city getting its butt kicked in a lawsuit.
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Old April 25th, 2015, 03:58 AM   #14
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They certainly do need to be amended. Looking at projects like Pierhouse, Aurora, and now this; codes need to be amended to reflect an urban city. Easier for a developer to ask to be relieved from certain requirements than the city asking the developer.

This could certainly be a future district area of some sorts. Decent amount of opportunities for projects to rise between the river and the intersection of Kennedy and Grand Central. Why not build something for the future?
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Old April 25th, 2015, 04:04 AM   #15
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^That side of the river is going to get a couple hundred million invested in it here real quick. Would be nice if it actually turned into a cohesive urban neighborhood when it's done, like it's supposed to.

At some point, projects have to create a defined sense of place, and an identity. Not just fill in a low density void with a higher density void.
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Old April 25th, 2015, 04:43 AM   #16
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Question. I don't believe I saw this in the article, does this development company ownthe land already? Or do they just want the City Council to rezone it before they buy it?
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Old April 25th, 2015, 04:56 AM   #17
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They're looking to get the project approved before closing on the 12 implicated parcels.
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Old April 25th, 2015, 10:32 AM   #18
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Are they planning on demolishing the buildings on the property there?
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Old April 25th, 2015, 10:34 AM   #19
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Yeah, all of them. They're also asking for variances to take down all of the grand oaks too. Get this, they call it a "space constrained" parcel, even they're developing an entire 2.5 acre block.
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Old April 25th, 2015, 03:02 PM   #20
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TBO article on the Altman development: http://tbo.com/news/business/new-272...150424/?page=1
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