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Old February 19th, 2017, 08:21 PM   #521
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Last two postings seem to be along my general thread: only recently I again traced out how Sandringham could be connected to St. Kilda from underground (to the south) , and I have been ridiculed on this thread for suggesting that Oakleigh- Elsternwick- St. Kilda - Melbourne was an idea, and indeed, Oakleigh- East Malvern- Camberwell.

Not sure that these have a great deal to do with "skyrail" in the SE suburbs: engineering constraints are something which, quite frankly, the general public aren't cognizant of.

"If you build it, they will Come!" is the sporting metaphor I recall, several decades back, when the Census came out on time, and was uncontested.

They didn't build it: till the GFC: on the other side of town.

Heaps of proposed railway (Metro) extensions over the past half-century or so, not built, including:
  • Sandringham- Black Rock
  • Alphington - Bundoora
  • Frankston - Mornington (direct)
  • Homlesglen - Monash - Rowville
  • Rowville - Ferntree Gully (Lower)
  • Cranbourne- Frankston
  • Oakleigh- Keysborough
  • Lalor - Wollert (or thereabouts)

I'm appreciative that the RLR was built, and I'd stand by the "Melbourne Metro" project (which originally was going to run from Caulfield via St. Kilda): especially considering the current Federal Government's apparent hostility to public transport projects (look what's going on in WA at the moment).
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Old March 10th, 2017, 11:50 AM   #522
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Interesting day on the Ararat line today.

8:17am SCS - Ararat was canceled due to a boom gate strike at Melton. By the time the road coaches for it had left Southern Cross trains had already resumed on the line (first one being 8:37am SCS - Bacchus Marsh).

Would've been better if they just ran the Bacchus and Ararat trains as a combined 6-car service 20 minutes late rather than load pax onto buses . Was waiting to board the Ararat train at Caroline Springs and the replacement coach never turned up, staff couldn't find where it got to either.

About 150 passengers were wanting to use that service to travel to the Pitch Music Festival, the organisers of which arranged shuttle buses from the station at Ararat but didn't bother to tell the rail operator about the likely increased demand.

Ended up on the next Wendouree train as well as most of these people who'd been told not to get on the limited coach replacements for the previous canceled train, as well as the normal Ballarat to Horsham road coach which I caught two extra coaches were put on to Ararat for festival ferals. Was sitting on the normal coach going down the highway watching the other packed bus overtake us with half the pax drinking or smoking ciggys onboard (at 11:30am!!)

12:17pm SCS - Ararat operated at a full crush load and couldn't pick up passengers after Southern Cross with a standing load of passengers onboard the whole way to Ararat on the 3-car train. Apparently they would have boosted the capacity had the festival organisers actually bothered to tell them they were directing hundreds of people to catch the train to Ararat that day

Majority of passengers were getting tanked onboard with endless alcohol bottles left behind and internal fittings damaged.

Not enough shuttle buses to pickup the many festival losers, mostly overseas backpackers, announcement said the buses would be back in 90 minutes. So only about 60 backpacker derros set up camp on the ground out the front of the station getting tanked on goon, ALDI brand beer and some openly smoking weed.

What an odd crowd

L2 who has no desire to be surrounded by huge crowds of derro backpackers
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Old April 7th, 2017, 03:05 AM   #523
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A train link to Melbourne airport has won the backing of the Turnbull Government.
A train link to Melbourne airport has won the backing of the Turnbull Government.
VIC News
Melbourne airport rail link boost: Turnbull Government to pour cash into long-awaited project
JAMES CAMPBELL, TOM MINEAR AND ROB HARRIS, Herald Sun
April 7, 2017 12:00am
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A TRAIN link to Melbourne airport has won the backing of the Turnbull Government, which will pour cash into the long-awaited project to finally get it on track.

The Herald Sun can reveal next month’s Budget is expected to include money for the link.

The government is understood to be willing to make a multi-year commitment to kickstart it.

The funding would be part of a Victorian infrastructure package worth more than $1 billion, which would also finance upgrades to the Bairnsdale, Wodonga and Warrnambool railway lines.

The money is expected to flow from a federal-state agreement to pay Victoria more than $1 billion it is owed from the asset recycling fund for the sale of the Port of Melbourne.

Speaking this morning, Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull told 3AW: “It’s something that’s always been seen as an omission in Melbourne, not to have a rail line out to the airport.

“There is no doubt as our cities become bigger and more densely settled, you need to have more mass transit.”

Victorian Public Transport Minister Jacinta Allan said the rail line was a long-term project and could not be built until the Melbourne Metro Rail link was finished in the CBD.

“The Infrastructure Victoria report indicated that an airport rail link is needed within 15 to 30 years,” she told ABC radio this morning.

“We certainly want to work towards achieving that.”

The airport rail link, tipped to cost $5 billion, has won firm support from Victorian MPs.

Melbourne airport has warned that without action the Tullamarine Freeway will be gridlocked within a decade.

PETITION FOR RAIL LINK TO MELBOURNE AIRPORT ATTRACTS THOUSANDS OF SIGNATURES


Melbourne airport has warned that without action the Tullamarine Freeway will be gridlocked within a decade. Picture: Nicole Garmston
The federal government wants to investigate all possible alignments for the rail link, including the option of a stand-alone line separate from the current suburban rail system.

The state government has so far refused to commit to the project but Premier Daniel Andrews said last year that “there’ll be a time when (it) stacks up”.

His comments followed the release of Infrastructure Victoria’s 30-year planning blueprint, which said an airport rail link — built along the Albion East reservation — would deliver an economic benefit of up to $1.60 for every dollar spent.

Senior federal ministers Darren Chester and Dan Tehan have also lobbied strongly for Budget funding of major improvements to regional train services.


Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull and federal MP Darren Chester. Picture: AAP
Mr Chester, the Transport Minister, travelled on a V/Line train from *Melbourne to Albury this week and said the condition of the track was of “significant concern”.

He said he had met Victorian Public Transport Minister Jacinta Allan and had “very productive discussions” about the state and federal governments working together on regional rail upgrades.

The Gippsland MP said he had been fighting for regional Victoria in Budget meetings because he wanted to “see more spending” on infrastructure.

“My view is we need to see the state and federal governments working together as positively as we possibly can to achieve the improvements that the community wants,” Mr Chester said.

“We understand that improving connectivity in our regional towns will mean more opportunities for young people in our communities. It will mean opportunities for decentralisation and regional development. Having a good rail service is part of the answer for that.”

Veterans’ Affairs Minister Mr Tehan, the member for Wannon in the state’s southwest, also told a local paper recently the federal government needed to work with the state government to upgrade the Warrnambool rail line.

State opposition public transport spokesman David Hodgett, speaking this morning, said Victoria should get on and build the link.

“This is another example of the feds stumping up the cash for a Victorian project,” he said.

Mr Hodgett said the cited cost of $5 billion was for one of the more expensive alignments.

“I think they have a heavy rail option there. I think you could do it much cheaper,” he said.

Cross posting from MEL/AVV thread to focus specifically on Bairnsdale, Albury and Warr services



My take:
-designed to embarass Andrews

-real gap in thinking is the need to get rid of loco hauled services and build a Velo with a buffet section, and potential 2+1 first class

-and discuss upgrading entire network to 160km/h potential, including what to do about level crossings

-Andrews could come in with a 'top 50 rural xings' program, which, while most of us would think this is overkill, would nonetheless be popular and would cost nothing like what the metro ones do, given that 99% could be done as vanilla 2 lane road over rail overpasses (some might be rail over road, but again at the cheaper end).
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Old April 8th, 2017, 11:51 PM   #524
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Interesting day on the Ararat line today.

8:17am SCS - Ararat was canceled due to a boom gate strike at Melton. By the time the road coaches for it had left Southern Cross trains had already resumed on the line (first one being 8:37am SCS - Bacchus Marsh).

Would've been better if they just ran the Bacchus and Ararat trains as a combined 6-car service 20 minutes late rather than load pax onto buses . Was waiting to board the Ararat train at Caroline Springs and the replacement coach never turned up, staff couldn't find where it got to either.

About 150 passengers were wanting to use that service to travel to the Pitch Music Festival, the organisers of which arranged shuttle buses from the station at Ararat but didn't bother to tell the rail operator about the likely increased demand.

Ended up on the next Wendouree train as well as most of these people who'd been told not to get on the limited coach replacements for the previous canceled train, as well as the normal Ballarat to Horsham road coach which I caught two extra coaches were put on to Ararat for festival ferals. Was sitting on the normal coach going down the highway watching the other packed bus overtake us with half the pax drinking or smoking ciggys onboard (at 11:30am!!)

12:17pm SCS - Ararat operated at a full crush load and couldn't pick up passengers after Southern Cross with a standing load of passengers onboard the whole way to Ararat on the 3-car train. Apparently they would have boosted the capacity had the festival organisers actually bothered to tell them they were directing hundreds of people to catch the train to Ararat that day

Majority of passengers were getting tanked onboard with endless alcohol bottles left behind and internal fittings damaged.

Not enough shuttle buses to pickup the many festival losers, mostly overseas backpackers, announcement said the buses would be back in 90 minutes. So only about 60 backpacker derros set up camp on the ground out the front of the station getting tanked on goon, ALDI brand beer and some openly smoking weed.

What an odd crowd

L2 who has no desire to be surrounded by huge crowds of derro backpackers
You may remember me from previously, but just getting started with "Majority of pasengers were getting tanked onboard with endless alcohol bottles left behind and internal fittings damaged" ... etc. ... is this an accurate account of the occasion/ train trip, or something else?
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Old April 9th, 2017, 02:08 PM   #525
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Yes, if it wasn't why would I have wrote it there?

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Old April 21st, 2017, 05:19 PM   #526
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http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/on...20-gvomi9.html

One new train a month not enough to stem V/Line's runaway crowding woes

April 20 2017

Kathryn Bordonaro has begun to play a game with her fellow commuters on the station platform in the morning.

As the V/Line train to Melbourne pulls in, she jockeys for the perfect spot so she can be first through the door.

It's the only way she can be sure to get a seat and avoid having to stand in the aisle all the way to the city.

"You're in this country town and most people nod politely at each other on the platform," says Ms Bordonaro, a finance broker and member of the advisory council to Victoria's small business minister.

"But there's this 30 seconds where everybody turns it into an Olympic event of who is getting in that door first and who is getting their seat."

It's not hard to understand why Ms Bordonaro and her fellow commuters are so anxious to secure a seat.

They live in Warragul in west Gippsland, an hour and a half by train from central Melbourne. It's a long time to stand on a moving train.

Victoria's regional rail operator V/Line has an overcrowding problem, and the statistics show it is not going away, even as it adds 16 extra three-carriage trains to its fleet.

James Pinder, V/Line's CEO, admitted in state parliament on Thursday that as quickly as its manufacturer Bombardier builds a new VLocity train, new passengers fill it.

"We're adding one train a month, one train every six weeks to our fleet, but that capacity gets absorbed very quickly," Mr Pinder said.

V/Line publishes new figures each month that show which of its peak-hour services are at 100 per cent capacity or more. March's numbers reveal standing room-only has become the new normal for many commuters.

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