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Old February 19th, 2017, 08:21 PM   #521
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Last two postings seem to be along my general thread: only recently I again traced out how Sandringham could be connected to St. Kilda from underground (to the south) , and I have been ridiculed on this thread for suggesting that Oakleigh- Elsternwick- St. Kilda - Melbourne was an idea, and indeed, Oakleigh- East Malvern- Camberwell.

Not sure that these have a great deal to do with "skyrail" in the SE suburbs: engineering constraints are something which, quite frankly, the general public aren't cognizant of.

"If you build it, they will Come!" is the sporting metaphor I recall, several decades back, when the Census came out on time, and was uncontested.

They didn't build it: till the GFC: on the other side of town.

Heaps of proposed railway (Metro) extensions over the past half-century or so, not built, including:
  • Sandringham- Black Rock
  • Alphington - Bundoora
  • Frankston - Mornington (direct)
  • Homlesglen - Monash - Rowville
  • Rowville - Ferntree Gully (Lower)
  • Cranbourne- Frankston
  • Oakleigh- Keysborough
  • Lalor - Wollert (or thereabouts)

I'm appreciative that the RLR was built, and I'd stand by the "Melbourne Metro" project (which originally was going to run from Caulfield via St. Kilda): especially considering the current Federal Government's apparent hostility to public transport projects (look what's going on in WA at the moment).
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Interesting day on the Ararat line today.

8:17am SCS - Ararat was canceled due to a boom gate strike at Melton. By the time the road coaches for it had left Southern Cross trains had already resumed on the line (first one being 8:37am SCS - Bacchus Marsh).

Would've been better if they just ran the Bacchus and Ararat trains as a combined 6-car service 20 minutes late rather than load pax onto buses . Was waiting to board the Ararat train at Caroline Springs and the replacement coach never turned up, staff couldn't find where it got to either.

About 150 passengers were wanting to use that service to travel to the Pitch Music Festival, the organisers of which arranged shuttle buses from the station at Ararat but didn't bother to tell the rail operator about the likely increased demand.

Ended up on the next Wendouree train as well as most of these people who'd been told not to get on the limited coach replacements for the previous canceled train, as well as the normal Ballarat to Horsham road coach which I caught two extra coaches were put on to Ararat for festival ferals. Was sitting on the normal coach going down the highway watching the other packed bus overtake us with half the pax drinking or smoking ciggys onboard (at 11:30am!!)

12:17pm SCS - Ararat operated at a full crush load and couldn't pick up passengers after Southern Cross with a standing load of passengers onboard the whole way to Ararat on the 3-car train. Apparently they would have boosted the capacity had the festival organisers actually bothered to tell them they were directing hundreds of people to catch the train to Ararat that day

Majority of passengers were getting tanked onboard with endless alcohol bottles left behind and internal fittings damaged.

Not enough shuttle buses to pickup the many festival losers, mostly overseas backpackers, announcement said the buses would be back in 90 minutes. So only about 60 backpacker derros set up camp on the ground out the front of the station getting tanked on goon, ALDI brand beer and some openly smoking weed.

What an odd crowd

L2 who has no desire to be surrounded by huge crowds of derro backpackers
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A train link to Melbourne airport has won the backing of the Turnbull Government.
A train link to Melbourne airport has won the backing of the Turnbull Government.
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Melbourne airport rail link boost: Turnbull Government to pour cash into long-awaited project
JAMES CAMPBELL, TOM MINEAR AND ROB HARRIS, Herald Sun
April 7, 2017 12:00am
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A TRAIN link to Melbourne airport has won the backing of the Turnbull Government, which will pour cash into the long-awaited project to finally get it on track.

The Herald Sun can reveal next month’s Budget is expected to include money for the link.

The government is understood to be willing to make a multi-year commitment to kickstart it.

The funding would be part of a Victorian infrastructure package worth more than $1 billion, which would also finance upgrades to the Bairnsdale, Wodonga and Warrnambool railway lines.

The money is expected to flow from a federal-state agreement to pay Victoria more than $1 billion it is owed from the asset recycling fund for the sale of the Port of Melbourne.

Speaking this morning, Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull told 3AW: “It’s something that’s always been seen as an omission in Melbourne, not to have a rail line out to the airport.

“There is no doubt as our cities become bigger and more densely settled, you need to have more mass transit.”

Victorian Public Transport Minister Jacinta Allan said the rail line was a long-term project and could not be built until the Melbourne Metro Rail link was finished in the CBD.

“The Infrastructure Victoria report indicated that an airport rail link is needed within 15 to 30 years,” she told ABC radio this morning.

“We certainly want to work towards achieving that.”

The airport rail link, tipped to cost $5 billion, has won firm support from Victorian MPs.

Melbourne airport has warned that without action the Tullamarine Freeway will be gridlocked within a decade.

PETITION FOR RAIL LINK TO MELBOURNE AIRPORT ATTRACTS THOUSANDS OF SIGNATURES


Melbourne airport has warned that without action the Tullamarine Freeway will be gridlocked within a decade. Picture: Nicole Garmston
The federal government wants to investigate all possible alignments for the rail link, including the option of a stand-alone line separate from the current suburban rail system.

The state government has so far refused to commit to the project but Premier Daniel Andrews said last year that “there’ll be a time when (it) stacks up”.

His comments followed the release of Infrastructure Victoria’s 30-year planning blueprint, which said an airport rail link — built along the Albion East reservation — would deliver an economic benefit of up to $1.60 for every dollar spent.

Senior federal ministers Darren Chester and Dan Tehan have also lobbied strongly for Budget funding of major improvements to regional train services.


Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull and federal MP Darren Chester. Picture: AAP
Mr Chester, the Transport Minister, travelled on a V/Line train from *Melbourne to Albury this week and said the condition of the track was of “significant concern”.

He said he had met Victorian Public Transport Minister Jacinta Allan and had “very productive discussions” about the state and federal governments working together on regional rail upgrades.

The Gippsland MP said he had been fighting for regional Victoria in Budget meetings because he wanted to “see more spending” on infrastructure.

“My view is we need to see the state and federal governments working together as positively as we possibly can to achieve the improvements that the community wants,” Mr Chester said.

“We understand that improving connectivity in our regional towns will mean more opportunities for young people in our communities. It will mean opportunities for decentralisation and regional development. Having a good rail service is part of the answer for that.”

Veterans’ Affairs Minister Mr Tehan, the member for Wannon in the state’s southwest, also told a local paper recently the federal government needed to work with the state government to upgrade the Warrnambool rail line.

State opposition public transport spokesman David Hodgett, speaking this morning, said Victoria should get on and build the link.

“This is another example of the feds stumping up the cash for a Victorian project,” he said.

Mr Hodgett said the cited cost of $5 billion was for one of the more expensive alignments.

“I think they have a heavy rail option there. I think you could do it much cheaper,” he said.

Cross posting from MEL/AVV thread to focus specifically on Bairnsdale, Albury and Warr services



My take:
-designed to embarass Andrews

-real gap in thinking is the need to get rid of loco hauled services and build a Velo with a buffet section, and potential 2+1 first class

-and discuss upgrading entire network to 160km/h potential, including what to do about level crossings

-Andrews could come in with a 'top 50 rural xings' program, which, while most of us would think this is overkill, would nonetheless be popular and would cost nothing like what the metro ones do, given that 99% could be done as vanilla 2 lane road over rail overpasses (some might be rail over road, but again at the cheaper end).
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Old April 8th, 2017, 11:51 PM   #524
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Interesting day on the Ararat line today.

8:17am SCS - Ararat was canceled due to a boom gate strike at Melton. By the time the road coaches for it had left Southern Cross trains had already resumed on the line (first one being 8:37am SCS - Bacchus Marsh).

Would've been better if they just ran the Bacchus and Ararat trains as a combined 6-car service 20 minutes late rather than load pax onto buses . Was waiting to board the Ararat train at Caroline Springs and the replacement coach never turned up, staff couldn't find where it got to either.

About 150 passengers were wanting to use that service to travel to the Pitch Music Festival, the organisers of which arranged shuttle buses from the station at Ararat but didn't bother to tell the rail operator about the likely increased demand.

Ended up on the next Wendouree train as well as most of these people who'd been told not to get on the limited coach replacements for the previous canceled train, as well as the normal Ballarat to Horsham road coach which I caught two extra coaches were put on to Ararat for festival ferals. Was sitting on the normal coach going down the highway watching the other packed bus overtake us with half the pax drinking or smoking ciggys onboard (at 11:30am!!)

12:17pm SCS - Ararat operated at a full crush load and couldn't pick up passengers after Southern Cross with a standing load of passengers onboard the whole way to Ararat on the 3-car train. Apparently they would have boosted the capacity had the festival organisers actually bothered to tell them they were directing hundreds of people to catch the train to Ararat that day

Majority of passengers were getting tanked onboard with endless alcohol bottles left behind and internal fittings damaged.

Not enough shuttle buses to pickup the many festival losers, mostly overseas backpackers, announcement said the buses would be back in 90 minutes. So only about 60 backpacker derros set up camp on the ground out the front of the station getting tanked on goon, ALDI brand beer and some openly smoking weed.

What an odd crowd

L2 who has no desire to be surrounded by huge crowds of derro backpackers
You may remember me from previously, but just getting started with "Majority of pasengers were getting tanked onboard with endless alcohol bottles left behind and internal fittings damaged" ... etc. ... is this an accurate account of the occasion/ train trip, or something else?
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Yes, if it wasn't why would I have wrote it there?

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Old April 21st, 2017, 05:19 PM   #526
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http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/on...20-gvomi9.html

One new train a month not enough to stem V/Line's runaway crowding woes

April 20 2017

Kathryn Bordonaro has begun to play a game with her fellow commuters on the station platform in the morning.

As the V/Line train to Melbourne pulls in, she jockeys for the perfect spot so she can be first through the door.

It's the only way she can be sure to get a seat and avoid having to stand in the aisle all the way to the city.

"You're in this country town and most people nod politely at each other on the platform," says Ms Bordonaro, a finance broker and member of the advisory council to Victoria's small business minister.

"But there's this 30 seconds where everybody turns it into an Olympic event of who is getting in that door first and who is getting their seat."

It's not hard to understand why Ms Bordonaro and her fellow commuters are so anxious to secure a seat.

They live in Warragul in west Gippsland, an hour and a half by train from central Melbourne. It's a long time to stand on a moving train.

Victoria's regional rail operator V/Line has an overcrowding problem, and the statistics show it is not going away, even as it adds 16 extra three-carriage trains to its fleet.

James Pinder, V/Line's CEO, admitted in state parliament on Thursday that as quickly as its manufacturer Bombardier builds a new VLocity train, new passengers fill it.

"We're adding one train a month, one train every six weeks to our fleet, but that capacity gets absorbed very quickly," Mr Pinder said.

V/Line publishes new figures each month that show which of its peak-hour services are at 100 per cent capacity or more. March's numbers reveal standing room-only has become the new normal for many commuters.

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Spring Street just announced this: http://www.premier.vic.gov.au/regionalrailrevival/

Warrnambool Line Upgrade

Delivering extra services, shorter journey times, and paving the way to run VLocity trains to Warrnambool.

Includes:

-a crossing loop from Boorcan to Weerite
-signalling upgrades between Waurn Ponds and Warrnambool.

Surf Coast Rail Upgrade

Developing the Armstrong Creek and Torquay transit corridor, and paving the way for Waurn Ponds track duplication.

Includes:

-a second platform and pedestrian crossing at Waurn Ponds
-Torquay and Armstrong Creek Transit Corridor reservation
-development funding for future stages.

Bendigo and Echuca Line Upgrade

Delivering extra services and shorter journey times for Bendigo and Echuca lines.

Includes:

-signalling upgrades from Bendigo to Epsom and Eaglehawk
-track speed upgrades between Bendigo and Echuca.

Ballarat Line Upgrade Stage 2

Delivering an extra service to Ararat, improving freight movements and paving the way for future additional passenger services.

Includes:

-Ararat stabling
-signalling upgrades and track works for improved passenger and freight movements around Ballarat.

North-East Line Improvements

Delivering station upgrades to support the growing suburbs of Donnybrook and Wallan, and preparing the corridor for new trains

Includes:

-design work and enabling infrastructure for standard gauge VLocity
-station improvements at Donnybrook and Wallan

Avon River Bridge Upgrade [Gippsland Line]

Removing temporary speed restrictions on the Gippsland line and paving the way for running future additional services.

upgrade the Avon River Bridge

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Reading between the lines, I think we'll see an order in next year's budget for long-distance style Vlocity trains. It's a relatively proven design and with a few modifications could be workable for those longer journeys.

I don't think this package really does much for Bendigo though - no track duplification or upgrades between Bendigo and Melbourne - and that's where it's most important. The ALP isn't interested in the electorate of Murray (Swan Hill and Echuca) as it is loyal to the Nationals.
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The Velocity is the same basic design as the XPL and old Prospector cars. A buffet is just a design detail. The real question is letting them run at design speed to the distant reaches.
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To clarify the Velo has the Cummins Q series inline 6 cyl 19 litre engine, the Exploder has the K series to the same size and both have Voith transmissions. The Velos are rated to 160kmh while the Xpl only 145kmh.

Hopefully NSW uses the current Velo
build to replace the xploders because the Velo deployment has been very successful.

We have finally achieved the holy grail - an all purpose fast rail motor that is versatile and reliable in Australian conditions - what we wanted when the Tulloch DRCs let us down. And the XPT was the wrong solution
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To clarify the Velo has the Cummins Q series inline 6 cyl 19 litre engine, the Exploder has the K series to the same size and both have Voith transmissions. The Velos are rated to 160kmh while the Xpl only 145kmh.

Hopefully NSW uses the current Velo
build to replace the xploders because the Velo deployment has been very successful.

We have finally achieved the holy grail - an all purpose fast rail motor that is versatile and reliable in Australian conditions - what we wanted when the Tulloch DRCs let us down. And the XPT was the wrong solution
The irony being that the Tulloch was the same Cummins Voith package but the work by Tulloch themselves was apparently suspect.

The VR rebuild of the Tullochs was successful and produced a rail motor that gave another 10 years or so service, and Daylesford has one working to this day.

My belief is that all the state railways made the mistake in the 1970s or earlier of not acquiring fleets of airconditioned rail motors as their sole country passenger vehicle. WAGR and SAR did (the Prospector and Bluebirds) and NSWGR had a stab at it with the Budd RDC and the Tullochs, but the VicRail N sets and the XPT, as well as QR's dependence on loco hauled, were unnecessary diversions and uneconomic.

That's not to say the rail motors would have been profitable, only that it would have been a more flexible and less costly option and would have brought airconditioning to all rural rail service much sooner.

Victoria would (and yet could) benefit from wider use of the capacity to divide and amalgamate.

Ararat and Maryborough is the obvious one but so would be Echuca and Swan Hill, as well as separating short and long runners (eg run 6 car Bairnsdales but drop 3 cars at Traralgon) and avoiding the need for run-around at some wayside stations that no longer have loops (eg run trains to Colac in the gaps between Warrnambools).

With the XPT gone, I hope we see the Velos acquired to take the following runs:

-Sydney to Griffith and Albury

-Melbourne to Wagga (responding to local calls for better services between Albury and Wagga)

-Sydney to Parkes (every day) and Broken Hill (some days) and Dubbo with division at Orange. I wonder if, with the upgrade of the ARTC and any local pressure, they might run the Parkes leg to Forbes.

-North and North Coast could divide at Maitland as well as the current Werris Creek service. For example, the Scone/Muswellbrook services could run to Sydney, coupled to the Grafton services
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I don't think this package really does much for Bendigo though - no track duplification or upgrades between Bendigo and Melbourne - and that's where it's most important.
More benefit to be had with partial duplication between Kyneton and Kangaroo Flat than there is on the Traralgon line but to do that would be conceding that RFR stuffed up in 2004.

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Well the existing Griffith Xplorer already is pretty much the same thing, just not too frequent.

Splitting at Junee with another set for Albury might work. No need for a through service to Melbourne if you had a Melbourne to Wagga service, anybody who wants to go through can change there.
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And the track removal was a stuff-up. I have heard that it had to do with all the heritage bridges that the double track would not fit under if trains did 160km/h - but leaving aside modifying the bridges, it ignored the following possibilities:

-limited sections of single track
-gauntlet track
-speed restrictions under the bridges or
-signalling interlocks to prevent 2 trains being in the double track section

All of these would have had some impact, but nothing like the impact of singling.

And yes, the second track might have been left as lower speed, like the other RFR lines.
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Or even just having those sections of track restricted to 130km/hr, which was the speed that Sprinters used to run on the old double track pre-RFR..

For most of the Kyneton to Bendigo section they were nice enough to lay the new single track in the centre of the where two tracks once stood meaning that earthworks would be required if duplication was ever built.
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Regional Rail Revival also includes an additional $95 million for Stage 2 of the Gippsland Rail Upgrade, which will duplicate the Avon River Bridge, enabling faster, more reliable services to Bairnsdale.
What do you think this means? An error? Two bridges, with one in poor condition? Does the road bridge need to be rebuilt at the same time? (Not a bad idea).
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[QUOTE=L2;139798797]More benefit to be had with partial duplication between Kyneton and Kangaroo Flat than there is on the Traralgon line but to do that would be conceding that RFR stuffed up in 2004.

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And this government won't be doing that. Nor do they have to from a vote-buying perspective - Bendigo East, Bendigo West, Macedon and I think the Sunbury electorate and almost every other if not all along the corridor through to SXS are safe Labor seats. They won't be admitting fault nor conceding it for the sake of a few thousand bendigo line customers.
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What do you think this means? An error? Two bridges, with one in poor condition? Does the road bridge need to be rebuilt at the same time? (Not a bad idea).
New bridge, then later down the track (heh) demolishing or closing existing bridge and properly duplicating the new bridge.
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And this government won't be doing that. Nor do they have to from a vote-buying perspective - Bendigo East, Bendigo West, Macedon and I think the Sunbury electorate and almost every other if not all along the corridor through to SXS are safe Labor seats.
Not that safe but none of them have been held by the other party since the Kennett days.

Sunbury - ALP by 4.3%
Macedon - ALP by 3.79%
Bendigo East - ALP by 5.05%
Bendigo West - ALP by 0.36% (significant challenge from Greens here)

Nothing to lose in Gippsland though:

Bass - Liberal by 4.55%
Narracan - Liberal by 11.29%
Morwell - National by 1.8%
Gippsland South - National by 15.67%
Gippsland East - National by 17.91%
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