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Old September 13th, 2017, 07:58 PM   #15641
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Since you are from Atlanta can you tell what are roots of high attendance in Atlanta?
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- Atlanta has become a larger, and more truly international, city. We harbor a larger population of foreign-born residents (or children thereof) than many people recognize because the national image is dictated by the suburbs.

- The team has done an excellent job in reaching out to true fans, including the populace mentioned above. Everything they've offered has been as if designed by the fans, from the ticket prices to the communications to the uniform... We could not have asked for a better owner than Arthur Blank.

- They've been earnest in their effort to build a winner, which for Atlanta is unheard of. They spent the most money of any MLS team on their training center, they've worked hard in building their academy, which has already won trophies, and they've recruited coaches and players with a strong eye toward creating a winning and attractive team. Again, I don't know how it could've been handled any better.

- Atlanta is starving for something original and successful in the pro sports realm. The Braves and Hawks are transplants from other cities, and though the Braves had a miraculous spell in the 90's they have only 1 championship to show for it. The NHL hasn't held. The Falcons, meanwhile, didn't even have back-to-back winning seasons until a few years ago! In terms of championships Atlanta is the worst rated with only the one major national title in all their years of pro sports, so we're desperate for something to call our own that might actually stand out on the national scene. This is something fresh and completely our own, so we're trying to make it work.
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Old September 13th, 2017, 09:29 PM   #15642
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Adding to tiny's comments:

- Atlanta has become a larger, and more truly international, city. We harbor a larger population of foreign-born residents (or children thereof) than many people recognize because the national image is dictated by the suburbs.

- The team has done an excellent job in reaching out to true fans, including the populace mentioned above. Everything they've offered has been as if designed by the fans, from the ticket prices to the communications to the uniform... We could not have asked for a better owner than Arthur Blank.

- They've been earnest in their effort to build a winner, which for Atlanta is unheard of. They spent the most money of any MLS team on their training center, they've worked hard in building their academy, which has already won trophies, and they've recruited coaches and players with a strong eye toward creating a winning and attractive team. Again, I don't know how it could've been handled any better.

- Atlanta is starving for something original and successful in the pro sports realm. The Braves and Hawks are transplants from other cities, and though the Braves had a miraculous spell in the 90's they have only 1 championship to show for it. The NHL hasn't held. The Falcons, meanwhile, didn't even have back-to-back winning seasons until a few years ago! In terms of championships Atlanta is the worst rated with only the one major national title in all their years of pro sports, so we're desperate for something to call our own that might actually stand out on the national scene. This is something fresh and completely our own, so we're trying to make it work.
Did you forget the perennially underachieving Dawgs?
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Old September 14th, 2017, 01:32 PM   #15643
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It is unfortunate, but the dominance of the Premier League and the size of the US and Chinese markets can't be ignored. The smaller leagues cannot condemn themselves to a permanent third class status without some effort to avoid it. Joining forces and exploiting major markets seems like the only real choice.
I honestly think your perspective is just way too American and profit-oriented. Football in Europe is not a for-profit industry like American sports in most cases. I wouldn't be against the Dutch league merging with the Belgian league for instance, but playing regular league games abroad just for profit and ******* over the fans in the process, without whom the league wouldn't even exist, is just too much. A vast majority of fans thinks the same. And I think fans (luckily) have enough influence to prevent it from happening.
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Old September 14th, 2017, 04:02 PM   #15644
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Just to be clear, this is not my thinking: this is the European league people, NFL people, LV casino owners and other investors talking.

China is in because it has the money committed to dwarf any other league in 20 years. They also have 300M people ready to come to matches in LA, SF or LV and spend money (or drop 100k at the tables).
I think you're generally pretty astute in your observations, but I think you're off with regards to China's ambitions in the global soccer marketplace.

Right now, the Chinese federation has actually been implementing restrictions on the number of foreign-born players allowed on a matchday roster in an attempt to boost their domestic player pool (only three are allowed to be fielded, five in the squad at the moment). Additionally, they've imposed a 100 percent tax on foreign signings over $7.5 million in order to curb unsustainable spending. If the teams in the Chinese Super League are trying to increase their international profile, the federation is working against them.

I could be off base, but I also don't get the sense that Chinese-Americans are huge consumers of the Chinese Super League. Sure, the teams could throw money at the problem, but without more international stars I feel it will be difficult for them to make a dent in the marketplace.
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Old September 14th, 2017, 05:27 PM   #15645
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I honestly think your perspective is just way too American and profit-oriented. Football in Europe is not a for-profit industry like American sports in most cases. I wouldn't be against the Dutch league merging with the Belgian league for instance, but playing regular league games abroad just for profit and ******* over the fans in the process, without whom the league wouldn't even exist, is just too much. A vast majority of fans thinks the same. And I think fans (luckily) have enough influence to prevent it from happening.
There really is only the American (and Chinese, Japanese, German, Russian, Indian, etc.) way. Either you are excitedly exploring the new, the growing, the exciting, the world-changing, etc., and acting on the world stage; or you are dying the slow death.

In any event, don't blame me, it's the Spaniards (and Italians, Mexicans, Chinese, etc., who will soon be elaborating approaches to the world market) who are looking to play league matches outside their home towns (which as you note are often tiny cities with little potential to compete with the big cities). And, of course, the Brits have been heavily involved in taking their product abroad for decades now to their enormous profit.
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Old September 14th, 2017, 05:57 PM   #15646
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I think you're generally pretty astute in your observations, but I think you're off with regards to China's ambitions in the global soccer marketplace.

Right now, the Chinese federation has actually been implementing restrictions on the number of foreign-born players allowed on a matchday roster in an attempt to boost their domestic player pool (only three are allowed to be fielded, five in the squad at the moment). Additionally, they've imposed a 100 percent tax on foreign signings over $7.5 million in order to curb unsustainable spending. If the teams in the Chinese Super League are trying to increase their international profile, the federation is working against them.

I could be off base, but I also don't get the sense that Chinese-Americans are huge consumers of the Chinese Super League. Sure, the teams could throw money at the problem, but without more international stars I feel it will be difficult for them to make a dent in the marketplace.
Thanks for the compliment; I don't get many here.

The Chinese (or US, etc.) activities now could very well be part of LT strategies to make sure they get as big a bite of the apple as possible. It's not like there is going to be one organization guiding all of this; there is going to be competition, attempts to form cartels; government action, etc.

I don’t want to arouse everyone so let me speak broadly. Perhaps the “copas” and transnational tournaments will expand and become of greater significance. Perhaps leagues unheard of today will be created, with 40 worldwide sides competing in divisions and relegation for those not keeping up. Location of the matches could be convenient to where the athletes and PR people prefer to live or for market focus reasons, although they will keep their city brands.

All of this could be consistent with the old nation based leagues continuing, perhaps with the bigger brand teams sending a “second” team to play some of the lesser matches.

Or this could be way off.
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Old September 17th, 2017, 03:30 AM   #15647
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Two records broken in one day. Atlanta with single game regular season mls record over 70k and Cincy third-tier regular season record with over 30k.
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Old September 20th, 2017, 06:11 AM   #15648
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30,596 in Cincinnati tonight to watch the US Women bean New Zealand 5-0.

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Old September 20th, 2017, 11:05 AM   #15649
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I know it's not a Soccer Specific Stadium, but damn that's an amazing venue.

I wish they weren't planning on moving.
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Old September 20th, 2017, 02:20 PM   #15650
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Old September 23rd, 2017, 04:59 AM   #15651
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A new investor-led $200 million development that includes a soccer stadium for Louisville City FC was announced Friday.

On his podcast, Mayor Greg Fischer announced the preliminary plans, which include a $30 million investment from Metro Louisville, half of which will be paid back over the course of the deal.

The planned stadium project will develop three parcels, totaling 40 acres of land, near NuLu, Butchertown and Waterfront Park and close to the central business district. With its proximity to Louisville Slugger Field, it will create a “stadium district,” the mayor said.

Fischer credited the fans, coach, players and owners for helping LouCity and soccer gain popularity in Louisville.

“(It will be a) great addition to the city and a wonderful piece of property there,” Fischer said.

The city will not build or own the stadium, Fischer pointed out. He said the city will have no annual obligation to the stadium.

The investor-led project will transform 15 acres of land into the proposed stadium, allowing for the remaining 25 acres outside the stadium for hotel, business and restaurant development.

The stadium is expected to seat around 10,000 fans.

LouCity, which plays in the United Soccer League, is averaging 8,800 fans per game this season.

Construction on the stadium must begin by January 2019. Officials hope to start construction in late 2018.

The new stadium is expected to be completed by 2020.
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Old September 23rd, 2017, 05:28 AM   #15652
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Certainly hope the stadium is a fraction of that price.
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The city will buy 40 acres of land in Butchertown for $30 million to enable Louisville City FC to build a $50 million soccer stadium as part of a $200 million investment, Mayor Greg Fischer announced Friday.
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