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Old Yesterday, 09:41 PM   #19721
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So all this really shows is that you mislead us into thinking tickets from Manchester are more expensive when they are in fact equal. Do you were wrong.
Perhaps inventing an imaginary train and ticket price would have satisfied you?
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Old Yesterday, 09:55 PM   #19722
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While I'm at it, I noticed that Virgin have just released the bookings for week commencing Monday 8th January 2018. The results show beyond doubt that Manchester never gets the cheap fares that Liverpool (and Runcorn) get.


Thursday 11th January 2018.

Liverpool Lime Street - Dep 08.47, £17.00 advance fare.
Manchester Piccadilly - Dep 08.35, £33.00 advance fare.
Manchester Piccadilly - Dep 08.55, £33.00 advance fare.


This information I trust shuts down this debate forever!

NRE links here:
Manchester: http://ojp.nationalrail.co.uk/servic...10118/0830/dep
Liverpool:
http://ojp.nationalrail.co.uk/servic...10118/0830/dep
So you searched through all the tickets between now and the 8th January and managed to cone up with one single sale offer...
You really were desperate went you.
All you have shown is they are usually equal which means you are wrong.
Plain and simple
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Old Yesterday, 09:56 PM   #19723
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Perhaps inventing an imaginary train and ticket price would have satisfied you?
No, not lying and inventing data to support your claim will do

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Old Yesterday, 10:18 PM   #19724
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It is gratifying to see though that instead of acknowledging the ticket prices are equal and discussing that you focus on fluff...
It only shows me you knew it was a lie in the first place vulcan
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Old Yesterday, 11:46 PM   #19725
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It is gratifying to see though that instead of acknowledging the ticket prices are equal and discussing that you focus on fluff...
It only shows me you knew it was a lie in the first place vulcan
You’ve had an absolute nightmare here over the last few days mate.

Just log off for a while and when you come back we’ll all pretend it never happened.
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Old Yesterday, 11:51 PM   #19726
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You'd like to think that wouldn't you.
I still proved he is talking a load of rubbish about the different prices.

The only way he could show a cheaper price is to use a different station lol
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Old Today, 12:21 AM   #19727
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You'd like to think that wouldn't you.
I still proved he is talking a load of rubbish about the different prices.

The only way he could show a cheaper price is to use a different station lol
You really are a clown of the highest order aren't you? The hole you have dug for yourself will take a very long time to fill - you are way out of your depth on the subject of tickets, yields, prices etc. and every bit of bluster you utter makes it worse.

For the record, it was you who chose to use a Thursday in November (23rd) to make your imaginary claim about supposedly 'more expensive' fares from Lime Street. Then you whined about my not comparing Liverpool with Manchester. So I did exactly that and proved you lied.

Later I simply used National Rail enquiries to look as far into the future on a Thursday as it is possible. Which is 11/01/18.

The result - Liverpool is £17, Manchester is £33. I know you are a bit lacking, but it is incredibly simple - it means it is almost twice as expensive on that day in January to travel from Manchester to London as it is from Liverpool (at the times that you chose).
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Old Today, 12:31 AM   #19728
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Anyway, stepping away from trying to reason with irrational people....


Calls for Toton to open in 2030, three years early!


http://www.thebusinessdesk.com/eastm...-toton-station


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"HS2 and the Department for Transport (DfT) have been urged to speed up plans for the new hub station at Toton to bring development in the East Midlands.

Reports in Construction News suggest that the DfT has faced calls from East Midlands councils to change the plans for HS2’s second phase to bring the opening of the new station forward by three years from 2033 to 2030.

The amendment is just one of the proposals for the phase 2b hybrid bill put forward by the East Midlands HS2 Growth Strategy".

The $64,000 question(s) - would there be enough platforms available at Euston in 2030 to platform say 2TPH from Toton? And would there be enough trains to run a service, assuming that only 60 are ordered in 2019?
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Old Today, 12:41 AM   #19729
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Plans are in hand to upgrade Stoke Station (which has a lot of character) by adding extra through platforms. HS2 is being used as the reason to do it, although it probably needs to happen anyway.

http://www.railtechnologymagazine.co...e-ahead-of-hs2

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"HS2 connections are expected to make Stoke a central location in the new rail network, with rapid links to Birmingham and Manchester, as well as journeys of less than an hour into London.

Duncan Sutherland, non-executive director on the board of HS2 Ltd, welcomed the development plans and said the area was “incredibly important to the UK.”
Mmm - this statement is a bit dubious in parts. Links to Brum and Manchester aren't particularly quick and HS2 can't help them in that regard. As for the claim of an hour to London - err, sorry, no. Going via Stafford it will be about 70 minutes. Which actually isn't hugely quicker than today (I've done Stoke to Euston non-stop in a Virgin Pendolino in just 81 minutes).
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Crewe could also be on the NPR network if, for example, the Birmingham trains to Manchester were incorporated into that network?

Sorry, I meant to answer this the other day. Logically if NPR commits to buying 330 km/h capable trainsets there is a lot of sense in doing exactly what you say. In fact this service would make a lot of sense IMHO.

Curzon St
Crewe 29 minutes
Manchester Airport 45 minutes
Manchester Piccadilly (Lower level platforms) 55 minutes
Bradford (if NPR goes that way) 80 minutes
Leeds (85-90 minutes?)
York (105-110 minutes)

Clearly it would be of little use for Birmingham to Leeds or York - you would expect passengers to catch a quicker HS2 service via the eastern branch. It would however speed up a lot of other journeys....
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